Re: Trump Lost!
Oh I read it, I just chose not to respond because I thought the explanation for why the recount was delayed was ridiculous, but if you want me to respond I will. If recounts happen all the time, then why does the winner have no trouble being elected on election day time and again over the years? The last time there was a delay in announcing the winner was back in 2000.
So you just contradicted yourself.
Keep in mind that it's not just the president getting elected every four years, but a lot of down-ballot candidates, notably the entire House of Representatives. This year two of their seats have not yet been finally decided.
Generally the delays occur when the vote is super-close. Then the elections staff wait for absentee ballots to come in (like from members of the US armed services posted overseas) or do an automatic recount (in some states if the margin is slim enough that a few hundred votes would make a difference.)
The really famous too-close-to call election was in 1948, Truman vs. Dewey, in a pre-television era. There is a great photo of a happy Harry Truman holding up a newspaper with the headline proclaiming that Dewey won, when further tallies revealed that Truman was actually the winner.
A couple of things: one is that the number of voters this year was significantly higher than in years past, due to all of the emotion, pro- and con, surrounding Donald Trump. We can all agree that he's a very polarizing figure. It just takes time to tally all of these millions of votes.
Also, with concerns about covid-19, many more people voted early (usually in their county courthouses) or by mail (basically by absentee ballot.) Some states allow early counting of these ballots, but others don't start the count until Election Day. Obviously a big state that won't even count mail-in ballots until election day will take a while.
Another thing is that US presidential elections go by the Electoral College, not the raw popular vote. Oftentimes one candidate wins by a significant enough margins in the elector-rich states that they can hit the magic number fairly early on to get the majority. [538 electors/2=269. +1 to form a simple majority=270.]
The number of electors per state equals the number of the congressional delegation: 2 Senators plus one or more members of the House of Representatives.
This delay is an exception rather than the rule. And yes, there were more votes cast this year (for Trump), but the states were still on track with their counting, in time to announce the winner on 3rd November until suddenly the counting mysteriously stopped and then a mysterious batch of ballots sneakily come in at 3am in some of the states that Trump was ahead in, and practically all of these ballots were conveniently for Biden (I linked two of these graphs for wisconsin and michigan in an earlier post), funny that, and then suddenly he starts winning? I smell a rat, and evidently so does the country since Biden STILL hasn't been officially elected as the winner. And there's no such thing as a title "president elect" and "projected winner", as the media so loves to style it, is not the same as certified winner.
This is not correct. I don't know what your YouTube and Twitter comedians were reporting, but the prior consensus I saw from pollsters, political scientists, and ethical journalists was that the results probably would not be known on election night. For the above-mentioned reasons.
The deadline for all of the states to submit their certified election results is December 8. The Electoral College convenes on December 14.
But let's look at your logic. The fact of a delayed election result report does not in and of itself make it bogus. Consider that the timing of calling an election for a candidate is initially done by the national media. Trump was livid with rage when his mouthpiece Fox News called Arizona for Biden early on. Ironically Trump may have discouraged the media from calling the battleground state results sooner.
And as Trump fans repeatedly note, the media does not the election results make. That actually depends upon certification of the states' votes by senior state officials. The media report on the election, but the actual state-by-state certification results come in after all of the votes are counted.
None of the type of claims you have been making are correct. Please cite your sources, and they better be more credible than MadBull's twitter feed.
Generally there is a very small margin of error in any state's ballot count. In Wisconsin an extra 386 ballots were discovered in a recount. This number normally would be too small to decide a presidential election. They were duly counted, and Biden won the majority of them.
Even if there was an unusually high number of votes this year, there are many ways to remedy that. Hire more people, or make an announcement that it may take a few more days (not weeks) to process the volume. The fact that early voting was available in most states also helps, and even if those early ballots don't get counted until election day, the states would be able to gauge from the volume they've already received how many people they'd need to hire to count this volume of ballots. There's just no excuse.
Let's hope the states take your recommendations to heart in 2024. I am guessing, however, that in 2020 the budget for the poll workers was previously set by legislative session. It so happens that most state legislatures and governors today are majority Republican.
But we both know that a huge number of ballots was not the real reason why they're STILL recounting a few weeks later, especially since they were actually on track. It was blatant fraud, and many have gone to the stand explaining exactly what kind of fraud took place and how. Just because you didn't hear it with your own ears, doesn't mean no one went to the stands.
And yes I meant New York Times.
Sorry, Chiamaria, but the incidents of verified fraud are minimal. I agree that many charges of fraud have been laid by Trump fans, but none of them has merit. Outside of your Twitterverse conspiracy theory hothouse. If you don't believe me, then look at the logic of all of those Republican governors and senior election officials who voted for Trump-- who nonetheless faithfully concluded that Biden carried their states.
What perplexes me, is that if you look at all of those fraud charges, there are so many different ones in so many different states that there doesn't seem to be any kind of coordinating Master Mind plotting to throw the election. But if that's the case, then it boggles the mind to imagine that all of these different various nefarious agents somehow managed, working independently, to pull off a palace coup.
