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Unread 05-19-2020, 04:16 PM
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Is he happy with his girlfriend?

This time last year, I was happy in a relationship with my now ex-boyfriend. A few months later however, he left me for another girl.

I've noticed that he's been posting a lot of throwback photos on Instagram from this time last year, and making subtle references from moments we had spent together in his posts. I know that he's still with his new girlfriend however, so I'm wondering why he's suddenly doing this - it's not like him to even use social media at all, so this is surprising behaviour.

From this chart, I can see that he's definitely thinking about me but where is his girlfriend - is he not happy in his relationship? To clarify, I have absolutely no interest in disrupting their relationship - this is out of mere curiosity.
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Unread 05-19-2020, 07:07 PM
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Re: Is he happy with his girlfriend?

Not very, judging from the chart.
He is mars, in his 11th of hopes and wishes, in his own triplicity so strong, approaching a sextile with Uranus in the 7th. Uranus co-rules Aquarius, who is intercepted in the 4th of endings. He's hoping for an ending.
Moon in 7th approaches a square with Pluto, and moon rules his 4th of endings.
She is Venus, retrograde, going back over her position, approaching Neptune of delusion.
Mars is in the terms of Venus so he does care for her, but it isn't working out too smoothly.
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Re: Is he happy with his girlfriend?

Thank you as always ElenaJ, that's really interesting. Am I featured in this chart in any way? I think I had interpreted myself as being Venus as I was querying his behaviour.
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Unread 05-19-2020, 07:33 PM
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Re: Is he happy with his girlfriend?

You are the querent but you weren't in the question.
So I used Venus for her.
Recently there have been a lot of discussions about who represents the "other".
We still need a lot of research on this I think, to be sure.
If the question were "will he be returning to me?" then you would clearly be in the picture.
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Re: Is he happy with his girlfriend?

I agree with ElenaJ. I just want to suggest a different delineation that would arrive at the same result.

Assume the girlfriend is Saturn, because it is natural significator of the other half (according to Frawley anyway), and the Sun is applying to a close trine to it after a sign change. This signifies an interest but difficulties, too.

Here, Saturn is in House 4 end of matter. Pluto is on the house cusp. Outer so near an angle can signify an abrupt end (as seen in a recent chart on this forum).

Doesn't look good for them.

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Re: Is he happy with his girlfriend?

Thank you both for your insights! That's pretty enlightening as he had told mutual friends that he's never been so love in before.
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Re: Is he happy with his girlfriend?

He as mars is in the exaltation and terms of Venus, so in reality he does care about her.
Apparently its the relationship together that isn't working out too smoothly.
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Re: Is he happy with his girlfriend?

Hi everyone, I'd thought I'd provide an update to this thread. Interestingly, he just got engaged to her. This was a little confusing to me to start with, because they haven't been together for very long, but I think it's possible that he may have been pressured into it, as he would always say to me that he wasn't particularly interested in marriage but would do it if it meant a lot to the other person.
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Re: Is he happy with his girlfriend?

Interesting development.
According to the chart, the engagement won't conclude in marriage.
Please keep us posted so we can evaluate the comments.
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Re: Is he happy with his girlfriend?

Thanks for the update. I'm a bit surprised. Now that I re-read your original post, I want to note that charts cast from curiosity don't always yield accurate results. (Of course my delineation can still be wrong.) Both Bonatti and Lilly have warned of that. Horary aside, I understand it's comforting to think he's being pressured into it but, uh, in my experience, it really is better to let go of these thoughts. He's an adult. Nobody can force him to commit to someone he doesn't genuinely love. Best for our recovery to accept he's moved on and in love with another no matter how their relationship plays out in future.
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Re: Is he happy with his girlfriend?

Hi all, I just wanted to provide an update to this chart - it turns out he is very happy with her, they just got married!
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Re: Is he happy with his girlfriend?

Interesting development.
Still don't see it in the chart.
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Interesting development.
Still don't see it in the chart.
Disclaimer that I haven't even looked at the chart, but I perused here and thought what if Saturn in the 4H was symbolic of general commitment, and thus makes sense they got married since it was in the house of the end of matters.
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Disclaimer that I haven't even looked at the chart, but I perused here and thought what if Saturn in the 4H was symbolic of general commitment, and thus makes sense they got married since it was in the house of the end of matters.
Although in that case, Saturn could also be restriction and closure.
I'm still puzzled by this.

What are the correct significators here?

The querent's Ex and his new flame.
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Unread 08-30-2021, 10:11 PM
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Re: Is he happy with his girlfriend?

The chart confuses me too - could he possibly be represented by any other house other than the 7th as this isn't a relationship horary about me and him? Perhaps the distance between us makes him an acquaintance instead.
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Unread 08-31-2021, 02:01 AM
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Re: Is he happy with his girlfriend?

Moon shows what you were thinking about when you asked the question.
And moon is in the 7th house.

Moon is square pluto, approaching a square to Jupiter on his midheaven, ruler of his 11th.
Mars ruler of 7th approaches a sextile with Uranus in 7th, co-ruler of his 9th of legal matters.
Clutching straws here!
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Re: Is he happy with his girlfriend?

Could be that his new girlfriend is signified by Saturn. Sun rules man in relationship questions, and Sun will trine Saturn after it enters Gemini. That could point to a marriage happening.
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Re: Is he happy with his girlfriend?

LittleMissAires also pointed to Saturn.
Saturn rules the Midheaven of the 7th.
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Re: Is he happy with his girlfriend?

Don't mind me inserting myself into this thread.

Although this defies ~some of the rules of Horary astrology, this is what I saw:

(Okay maybe not this part) Mars as quesited and Neptune as his significant other (now current wife).

(This is where there I've squeezed myself outside of the rules of Horary) Although these planets don't aspect each other (Mars and Neptune), they're in the house of ~lovers/love affairs (5th house).

Mars is semi-sextile Saturn, while Saturn (relationship glue) is in the 4th house (a house that represents family),
and Saturn is conjunct Jupiter (expansion) in the same house. Jupiter is conjunct Pluto, both spooning the IC.
Neptune makes a sextile aspect to Pluto, which could create a flow between Neptune and the other planets conjunct Pluto (like some sort of open gate).
Mars is approaching the 4th house (if I'm correct in that the planets move clockwise), and thus approaching the stellium between Pluto, Jupiter, and Saturn (okay technically not a stellium, since Saturn is in a separate sign, but I'm not sure what term to use here).
Neptune will still be connected to Pluto (as well as the other planets) while Mars approaches the threesome taking place on the IC.
So PERHAPS this shows them getting engaged in the 5th house and then sealing the deal with marriage in the 4th.


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Re: Is he happy with his girlfriend?

[QUOTE=uranianplutonian;1129318]Don't mind me inserting myself into this thread.

The forum is open to all. In fact, you've brought new energy into the thread, thank you.
I like the way you view the movement in the chart as exchanges of energy.



(Okay maybe not this part) Mars as quesited and Neptune as his significant other (now current wife).

Mars is understandable, but how did you get to Neptune as his significant other?


(This is where there I've squeezed myself outside of the rules of Horary) Although these planets don't aspect each other (Mars and Neptune), they're in the house of ~lovers/love affairs (5th house).

Mars is semi-sextile Saturn,

Actually, semi-sextile is normally not used in horary, only the major aspects. Sometimes however, it backs up other indications in the chart and can be helpful.


while Saturn (relationship glue)

Granted Saturn is binding like glue, but are you referring to it as ruler of a house or as a significator, or just in general terms?

is in the 4th house (a house that represents family),
and Saturn is conjunct Jupiter (expansion) in the same house. Jupiter is conjunct Pluto, both spooning the IC.
Neptune makes a sextile aspect to Pluto, which could create a flow between Neptune and the other planets conjunct Pluto (like some sort of open gate).

Interesting movement .

Mars is approaching the 4th house (if I'm correct in that the planets move clockwise),

I think you mean here that the houses move counter-clockwise. It's the forward movement of the ascendent that will then envelop mars in the prior house (the 4th in this case)
Mars at 4 degrees would later be at 5 degrees, therefore on its own would be further from the 4th house.
It's the movement of the houses and their cusps that will bring it into the 4th.


and thus approaching the stellium between Pluto, Jupiter, and Saturn (okay technically not a stellium, since Saturn is in a separate sign, but I'm not sure what term to use here).

You could use "cluster", but technically stellium is not incorrect. It refers to a group of three or more planets in the same sign or the same house.

Neptune will still be connected to Pluto
Agreed

(as well as the other planets)
actually not to Saturn.

while Mars approaches the threesome taking place on the IC.

Can you walk me through this one?

So PERHAPS this shows them getting engaged in the 5th house and then sealing the deal with marriage in the 4th.

Which is the reality of the situation as reported to us!

What about moon squaring pluto and Jupiter?
Surely this doesn't promise a happy ending, or does it?

I've just noticed that sun (the male figure of the chart) is in the degree of the nodes.
And North Node is in the 9th of legal matters (which is what a marriage is, a legal contract).
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Re: Is he happy with his girlfriend?

Thank you for your openness and input.

(How do I do individual quotes? I've tried to do this, but it's not coming through when I preview it.)

I got Neptune as his significant other by classing her into the 5th house (Pisces cusp) - house of lovers/romance, etc.

Ahh I didn't know that semi-sextile wasn't used in Horary. I've been reading an older Astrology book and the author made a remark about not forgetting minor aspects, so this has been imprinted in my mind.
Good to know Astrologers are still open to minor aspects in Horary Astrology.

I was referring to Saturn in general, though I see now that it's linked to the 4th house, which may amplify relationship glue.

I've felt a bit confused about how the planets move through a chart.
What you said makes sense though, thank you.
Okay scratch -- while Mars approaches the threesome taking place on the IC. --
I assumed that the planets slowly moved <--.
If I'm seeing this correctly, Mars is then moving towards Neptune (the wife), which could point to how they eventually got married... (I want to put the ~thinking emoji here, but this will do) :-o

Sweet, cluster will be added to my Astrology vocabulary.

<<What about moon squaring pluto and Jupiter?
Surely this doesn't promise a happy ending, or does it?>>

Hmmm. With Moon square Jupiter: I've read that affliction between benefic planets still produces a positive outcome - in this case, if we're just considering the moon as a benefic in general, and ignoring it being in Aries. I see that it was Waning, but maybe because it's aspecting a benefic (Jupiter), the malefic nature of a Waning Moon is neutralized?
With the Moon square Pluto, I'd definitely find this indicative of an ~unhappy relationship, but I sense that because it's separating from the square, the effect of the square was left in the past. Perhaps this had something to do with family getting in the way of the relationship since the Moon is in the 7th and Pluto is conjunct the IC.

<<I've just noticed that sun (the male figure of the chart) is in the degree of the nodes.
And North Node is in the 9th of legal matters (which is what a marriage is, a legal contract).>>

Nice find!!
And then Venus and Mercury are sitting close to the North Node too.

Thank you again!
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[QUOTE=uranianplutonian;1129440]Thank you for your openness and input.

(How do I do individual quotes? I've tried to do this, but it's not coming through when I preview it.)

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I got Neptune as his significant other by classing her into the 5th house (Pisces cusp) - house of lovers/romance, etc.

That's especially interesting, because the ruler of the 7th, mars, is near the cusp of the 5th, which could show his interest in her. She then also has Jupiter as co-significator, which becomes significant because Jupiter receives the square from moon in the 7th.

Ahh I didn't know that semi-sextile wasn't used in Horary. I've been reading an older Astrology book Who is the author? and the author made a remark about not forgetting minor aspects, so this has been imprinted in my mind.
Good to know Astrologers are still open to minor aspects in Horary Astrology.

Not all are. Just as not all use the outer planets.

I was referring to Saturn in general, though I see now that it's linked to the 4th house, which may amplify relationship glue.

I've felt a bit confused about how the planets move through a chart.
What you said makes sense though, thank you.
Okay scratch -- while Mars approaches the threesome taking place on the IC. --
I assumed that the planets slowly moved <--.
If I'm seeing this correctly, Mars is then moving towards Neptune (the wife), which could point to how they eventually got married... (I want to put the ~thinking emoji here, but this will do) :-o

Yes, mars will eventually conjunct Neptune, bringing them together.


Sweet, cluster will be added to my Astrology vocabulary.

<<What about moon squaring pluto and Jupiter?
Surely this doesn't promise a happy ending, or does it?>>

Hmmm. With Moon square Jupiter: I've read that affliction between benefic planets still produces a positive outcome - in this case, if we're just considering the moon as a benefic in general, and ignoring it being in Aries. I see that it was Waning, but maybe because it's aspecting a benefic (Jupiter), the malefic nature of a Waning Moon is neutralized?

Yes, there could still be a positive outcome, but we would need to see something that links them, there is no reception at all between them. Jupiter as a major benefic does help to tone down any negative energy.
A waning moon isn't necessarily "malefic", it is just losing energy.


With the Moon square Pluto, I'd definitely find this indicative of an ~unhappy relationship, but I sense that because it's separating from the square, the effect of the square was left in the past. Perhaps this had something to do with family getting in the way of the relationship since the Moon is in the 7th and Pluto is conjunct the IC.

The 4th is the house of endings. This could possibly refer to the abrupt closing of his relationship with our querent, Scahm.

<<I've just noticed that sun (the male figure of the chart) is in the degree of the nodes.
And North Node is in the 9th of legal matters (which is what a marriage is, a legal contract).>>

Nice find!!
And then Venus and Mercury are sitting close to the North Node too.

Actually aspects to the nodes have to be very tight to have effect, and these are quite wide. they don't hurt but they aren't really very helpful.
Keep in mind, Venus is the significator of the querent/ascendent, separating from a square to Neptune in the 5th.


Thank you again!

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[QUOTE=ElenaJ;1129529][QUOTE=uranianplutonian;1129440]Thank you for your openness and input.

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Perfect. I believe I've figured it out.
Thank you!!

That's especially interesting, because the ruler of the 7th, mars, is near the cusp of the 5th, which could show his interest in her. She then also has Jupiter as co-significator, which becomes significant because Jupiter receives the square from moon in the 7th.

Right! Mars and Neptune stood out to me immediately.
How did you get Jupiter as the co-significator? I'm only really familiar with the Moon as the co-significator for the querent, but I'd love to know how other co-significators are found.

Also, the author is C. AQ; Libra. The book title: Astrology Its Technics and Ethics, published in February 1917. I believe the original text was translated from Dutch.
Let me find the part about the minor aspects...
I can't find this specific mention at the moment, so now I'm wondering if it was this author that mentioned it, or another. Either way, he goes into nice detail about the minor aspects and gives an interesting perspective on how they play out/why we were born with them. E.g., "The Semi-Sextile represents the tendency of character which has developed, but which has not yet become a characteristic because it is not yet hardened in the purifying fire of trial. This aspect is expressed more as contemplation than as action. Only with very progressive natures it can transpose itself already in harmonious action, because here the purifying fire of the next aspect has already worked." (Libra, 1917, p. 80-81)
If I do find the remark I'm thinking of, I will paste it in here. If I don't, then it was from another author with a similar blunt and sarcastic tone.
I highly recommend this book. It's about 260 pages, quite dense, doesn't beat around the bush, and every bit of information in it is of great value (imo). I think it might be one of those books that require more effort than usual to acquire. I was fortunate enough to find it (or it found me) at a used bookstore.

Not all are. Just as not all use the outer planets.

This is what I love about Astrology. It has ~rules, yet it seems the rules aren't absolute in terms of arriving at an accurate prediction, delineation, etc.

I've felt a bit confused about how the planets move through a chart.
What you said makes sense though, thank you.
Okay scratch -- while Mars approaches the threesome taking place on the IC. --
I assumed that the planets slowly moved <--.
If I'm seeing this correctly, Mars is then moving towards Neptune (the wife), which could point to how they eventually got married... (I want to put the ~thinking emoji here, but this will do) :-o

Yes, mars will eventually conjunct Neptune, bringing them together.


Thank you for the validation! It's good to know I'm on the right track.

Yes, there could still be a positive outcome, but we would need to see something that links them, there is no reception at all between them. Jupiter as a major benefic does help to tone down any negative energy.
A waning moon isn't necessarily "malefic", it is just losing energy.


I wonder if the querent will be keeping tabs on the relationship so we can find the connection. Probably not... But, this would be really good research.

The 4th is the house of endings. This could possibly refer to the abrupt closing of his relationship with our querent, Scahm.

Interesting. Saturn, the ruler of the 4th, does make a semi-square with Mercury, and then Mercury is applying to a conjunction with Venus (the querent). Maybe this shows the querent's final ending, with Mars moving away from Saturn/ruler of the house of endings in this case.
Oh and then I'm seeing Mars applying to a sextile with Uranus, which is in the 7th house. Perhaps this shows a good change for Mars - I think maybe you alluded to this without these exact words? (It feels weird to use the word 'good' here because I don't want to imply that the querent was/is any less ~good.)

Actually aspects to the nodes have to be very tight to have effect, and these are quite wide. they don't hurt but they aren't really very helpful.
Keep in mind, Venus is the significator of the querent/ascendent, separating from a square to Neptune in the 5th.


Thank you for informing me on the orb allowance of the Nodes!

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How did you get Jupiter as the co-significator? I'm only really familiar with the Moon as the co-significator for the querent, but I'd love to know how other co-significators are found.

Jupiter is co-ruler of the sign on the 5th cusp, pisces.

Also, the author is C. AQ; Libra. The book title: Astrology Its Technics and Ethics, published in February 1917. I believe the original text was translated from Dutch.

C. AQ is a name?

"The Semi-Sextile represents the tendency of character which has developed, but which has not yet become a characteristic because it is not yet hardened in the purifying fire of trial. This aspect is expressed more as contemplation than as action. Only with very progressive natures it can transpose itself already in harmonious action, because here the purifying fire of the next aspect has already worked." (Libra, 1917, p. 80-81)

Careful about context here. In natal charts semi-sextile is very appropriate, it just isn't normally used in horary.


Not all are. Just as not all use the outer planets.

This is what I love about Astrology. It has ~rules, yet it seems the rules aren't absolute in terms of arriving at an accurate prediction, delineation, etc.

Actually, to be fair, they are two "schools" of thought, rather than bending the rules.



I wonder if the querent will be keeping tabs on the relationship so we can find the connection. Probably not... But, this would be really good research.

Scahm usually does update.

The 4th is the house of endings. This could possibly refer to the abrupt closing of his relationship with our querent, Scahm.

Interesting. Saturn, the ruler of the 4th, does make a semi-square with Mercury,

Another aspect not considered in horary...Unless it is just backing up other aspect energies taking place in the chart.


Oh and then I'm seeing Mars applying to a sextile with Uranus, which is in the 7th house. Perhaps this shows a good change for Mars - I think maybe you alluded to this without these exact words? (It feels weird to use the word 'good' here because I don't want to imply that the querent was/is any less ~good.)

Mars as the quesited, ruler of the 7th, approaches the sextile, easy aspect, with Uranus in the 7th, which I interpreted as a move towards freedom, especially because Uranus is co-significator of the 4th of endings.
A bit of a puzzling aspect.



It would be interesting if scahm were able to post a chart for the marriage!
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Re: Is he happy with his girlfriend?

Found the book online!
It is written by P. Dz. Veen, Amersfort, Netherlands.
So it was translated into English from the Dutch, as you wrote.
I have several books from the early 1900's and find them extremely helpful.
It was a period of study and research, before the idea of "bending all the rules" was introduced.
I've actually ordered it, so thank you.
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