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Chiron is not a planet. Its astronomical nature is somewhere between an asteroid and a comet.

The constellation Sagittarius was probably named for the mythological centaur Chiron. He was known for much more than healing, as tutor to gods and heroes, renowned for his wisdom. But so far as healing goes, the "thirteenth zodiac constellation" Ophiuchus is today divided between the (sidereal) signs of Scorpio and Sagittarius. Ophiuchus, the snake-handler, became symbolic of the caduceus, the staff intertwined with snakes, the symbol of the medical profession. Ophiuchus was associated with the god of healing, Asclepius. Asclepius was the father of the goddess Hygieia (hygiene) and Panacea (universal remedy.) His prototype was Imhotep. the Egyptian physician god. Asclepius was the son of Apollo, also noted for the healing arts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asclepius

I'm not saying that Chiron is the domiciled ruler of Sagittarius, because that would take a lot more research on horoscopes. But Sagittarius is a much better match than Virgo. If Virgo has a modern ruler, it is probably Ceres.
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Chiron is not a planet. Its astronomical nature is somewhere between an asteroid and a comet.

The constellation Sagittarius was probably named for the mythological centaur Chiron. He was known for much more than healing, as tutor to gods and heroes, renowned for his wisdom. But so far as healing goes, the "thirteenth zodiac constellation" Ophiuchus is today divided between the (sidereal) signs of Scorpio and Sagittarius. Ophiuchus, the snake-handler, became symbolic of the caduceus, the staff intertwined with snakes, the symbol of the medical profession. Ophiuchus was associated with the god of healing, Asclepius. Asclepius was the father of the goddess Hygieia (hygiene) and Panacea (universal remedy.) His prototype was Imhotep. the Egyptian physician god. Asclepius was the son of Apollo, also noted for the healing arts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asclepius

I'm not saying that Chiron is the domiciled ruler of Sagittarius, because that would take a lot more research on horoscopes. But Sagittarius is a much better match than Virgo. If Virgo has a modern ruler, it is probably Ceres.

The "Rod of Asclepius" had only one snake and no wings.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_of_Asclepius
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Chiron is not a planet. Its astronomical nature is somewhere between an asteroid and a comet.

The constellation Sagittarius was probably named for the mythological centaur Chiron. He was known for much more than healing, as tutor to gods and heroes, renowned for his wisdom. But so far as healing goes, the "thirteenth zodiac constellation" Ophiuchus is today divided between the (sidereal) signs of Scorpio and Sagittarius. Ophiuchus, the snake-handler, became symbolic of the caduceus, the staff intertwined with snakes, the symbol of the medical profession. Ophiuchus was associated with the god of healing, Asclepius. Asclepius was the father of the goddess Hygieia (hygiene) and Panacea (universal remedy.) His prototype was Imhotep. the Egyptian physician god. Asclepius was the son of Apollo, also noted for the healing arts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asclepius

I'm not saying that Chiron is the domiciled ruler of Sagittarius, because that would take a lot more research on horoscopes. But Sagittarius is a much better match than Virgo. If Virgo has a modern ruler, it is probably Ceres.
The pioneers knew it was not, but they studied it as if it was one, because they found it reacted like a planet in a tight orb.
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The "Rod of Asclepius" had only one snake and no wings.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_of_Asclepius
Picky, picky.

Try this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caduceus

"It is relatively common, especially in the United States, to find the caduceus, with its two snakes and wings, used as a symbol of medicine instead of the Rod of Asclepius, with only a single snake. This usage was popularised largely as a result of the adoption of the caduceus as its insignia by the U.S. Army Medical Corps in 1902...

"The Rod of Asclepius is the dominant symbol for professional healthcare associations in the United States. One survey found that 62% of professional healthcare associations used the rod of Asclepius as their symbol...but 76% of commercial healthcare organizations used the Caduceus symbol. ...[Apparently] professional associations are more likely to have a real understanding of the two symbols, whereas commercial organizations are more likely to be concerned with the visual impact a symbol will have in selling their products."
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Picky, picky.

Try this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caduceus

"It is relatively common, especially in the United States, to find the caduceus, with its two snakes and wings, used as a symbol of medicine instead of the Rod of Asclepius, with only a single snake. This usage was popularised largely as a result of the adoption of the caduceus as its insignia by the U.S. Army Medical Corps in 1902...

"The Rod of Asclepius is the dominant symbol for professional healthcare associations in the United States. One survey found that 62% of professional healthcare associations used the rod of Asclepius as their symbol...but 76% of commercial healthcare organizations used the Caduceus symbol. ...[Apparently] professional associations are more likely to have a real understanding of the two symbols, whereas commercial organizations are more likely to be concerned with the visual impact a symbol will have in selling their products."

Well, there you have it: The "commercial organizations" are more likely to use the Caduceus, which was related to commerce. It's also flashier than the one that was related to the medical professions, so it's better for advertising.

But, why the snake? What do snakes have to do with healing?

In fact, it was an arrow dipped in the snake-headed Hydra's blood that gave gave Chiron the wound that couldn't be healed.

Of course, snakes of the viper family do have hypodermic needles as fangs.

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The pioneers knew it was not, but they studied it as if it was one, because they found it reacted like a planet in a tight orb.



I believe it was re-classified as dwarf planet


Wikipedia:



Although it was initially called an asteroid and classified only as a minor planet with the designation "2060 Chiron", in 1989 it was found to exhibit behavior typical of a comet. Today it is classified as both a minor planet and a comet

When the astronomers were meeting on the designation of Pluto, they also change others;
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The "Rod of Asclepius" had only one snake and no wings.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_of_Asclepius

When we visited Turkey for almost a month's tour, we went here too of course:
https://www.ancientpages.com/2018/07...supply-system/

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Pergamon’s therapeutic and healing center, the Sanctuary of Asclepius (the god of medicine and healing), was famous due to the presence of eminent Roman physician Galen (c. 129–200 AD), who was born in Pergamon. The medical center used alternative treatments to heal sick patients, with diagnoses often coming from dream analysis.
Treatments included; bathing in, or drinking water from sacred springs, massage, mud baths, and use of herbs and salves. Small clay or terracotta body parts found around the site could be gifts from healed customers of the center.
However, what really stuck with me, was the following - In Asklepion; we visited the ruins of Roman Pergamon. While the group went up the hill to see these marvelous ruins - (mot of Turkey's ancient landscape of ruins, are still very much intact, much like Egypt's. Perhaps the weather has a lot to do with that fact


As I lingered behind I stayed longer on the tunnel we passed (see 4th photo down)
https://travelandbeyond.org/2015/01/06/asklepieion/


This tunnel like structure, had stone steps to the interior, and it was the first mental health or more likely, "holistic health) hospital in the world (from what I recall) operated by Galen, the physician who followed Aesculapius. The small steps leading to the interior of this ancient "hospital", I was told, kept water running much like today's popular little kitchen running water meditative type of theme that was popular a decade ago.
Galden espoused the belief, that the mind affects the body, so thought is the cause, the body (if diseased) the result of incorrect thinking. Much the same philosophy as Edgar Cayce, the latest in the USA , called "father of Holistic Medicine".



The idea being, "the running water down the steps" helped "soothe" the emotions of the patients, therefore, helping them heal.


Here is the "kicker" - There were small holes in the ceiling of this tunnel like structure, in which the "doctors" would put snakes down, to make sure the patients were still alive.

Who can forget this??? IF alive, the patient would surely let them know.



Turkey is a fabulous place in most ways for archeology & history fans.



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Galen's Greek name Γαληνός (Galēnós) comes from the adjective γαληνός (galēnós) 'calm'.[26]
Galen describes his early life in On the affections of the mind. He was born in September 129 His father, Aelius Nicon, was a wealthy patrician, an architect and builder, with eclectic interests including philosophy, mathematics, logic, astronomy, agriculture and literature. Galen describes his father as a "highly amiable, just, good and benevolent man".


At that time Pergamon (modern-day Bergama, Turkey) was a major cultural and intellectual centre, noted for its library, second only to that in Alexandria,[8] as well as being the site of a large temple to the healing god Asclepius.[28] The city attracted both Stoic and Platonic philosophers, to whom Galen was exposed at age 14. His studies also took in each of the principal philosophical systems of the time, including Aristotelian and Epicurean.

His father had planned a traditional career for Galen in philosophy or politics and took care to expose him to literary and philosophical influences. However, Galen states that in around 145 his father had a dream in which the god Asclepius appeared and commanded Nicon to send his son to study medicine
Nice photos here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galen


So interesting, dreams which give guidance. I love those the best.
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Galen, the first Doctor who practiced the Asclepius medical techniques:
interesting here, is a link to a book in which he speaks about Astronomer and Astrologers: (wonder if we can find this free online?)

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00348448


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galen



I'd love to know his natal chart with Chiron?


Originally published in 1683 Galen's writings on Astrology & astrologers -

A "review" was written a few decades ago on that writing left behind:



Abstract The author examines the question of Galen's affinity with astrology, in view of Galen's extended astrological discussion in the De diebus decretoriis (Critical Days). The critical passages from Galen are examined ...(but) shown to be according to the author,

https://www.jstor.org/stable/23047154


I found this: (refer back to Wikipedia bio), in that he believed the body and mind were interconnected (henceforth ? the snakes?) The snakes, were meant also to get them moving.

Book Description

https://www.jstor.org/stable/23047154


This volume presents the first edition of the Arabic translation, by Hunayn ibn Ishaq, of Galen's Critical Days (De diebus decretoriis), together with the first translation of the text into a modern language. The substantial introduction contextualizes the treatise within the Greek and Arabic traditions. Galen's Critical Days was a founding text of astrological medicine. In febrile illnesses, the critical days are the days on which an especially severe pattern of symptoms, a crisis, was likely to occur. The crisis was thought to expel the disease-producing substances from the body. If its precise timing were known, the physician could prepare the patient so that the crisis would be most beneficial. After identifying the critical days based on empirical data and showing how to use them in therapy, Galen explains the critical days via the moon's influence

The photo I took of his holistic hospital, with the steps in which running water soothes the spirit of the patient:
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Picky, picky.

Try this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caduceus

"It is relatively common, especially in the United States, to find the caduceus, with its two snakes and wings, used as a symbol of medicine instead of the Rod of Asclepius, with only a single snake. This usage was popularised largely as a result of the adoption of the caduceus as its insignia by the U.S. Army Medical Corps in 1902...

"The Rod of Asclepius is the dominant symbol for professional healthcare associations in the United States. One survey found that 62% of professional healthcare associations used the rod of Asclepius as their symbol...but 76% of commercial healthcare organizations used the Caduceus symbol. ...[Apparently] professional associations are more likely to have a real understanding of the two symbols, whereas commercial organizations are more likely to be concerned with the visual impact a symbol will have in selling their products."

I wonder IF only Capitalistic countries, have melded the idea of medicine in this manner, (the symbols), with profit making concerns over health, life & death needs.



Would countries like Canada or England with their Universal Health Care system? have the same percentages?
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I wonder IF only Capitalistic countries, have melded the idea of medicine in this manner, (the symbols), with profit making concerns over health, life & death needs.



Would countries like Canada or England with their Universal Health Care system? have the same percentages?

Strange that it was the U.S. Army medical corps which popularized the Caduceus in 1902.
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That's sidereal astrology, and it has retrograde Ages. Siderealism has an Aquarian Age also, but not until the 24th Century.



So many theories abound! But one thing is certain, it's about time, (for a change)



Being on a cusp of an Age can last hundreds of year, can it not?


http://www.crystalwind.ca/latest-ast...re-of-humanity


Some other author muses:
Ruth Goldstein as she tells her story. "We are at the cusp of the Aquarian age, the year is 2654 AD. The effects of the new age have been felt for quite some time, but most specifically since 2013 when the earth's atmosphere started to change. I have been in this world since 1965.


https://www.amazon.com/Invisible-Hel.../dp/1496002598


and considering:
Edgar Cayce called for a “ gradual change ” starting in 1998 between the Piscean Age and the Age of Aquarius. He didn’t call for a cataclysmic end. He also hinted that it’s up to us through our actions and choices as to how much pain this change will bring.


https://psy-minds.com/aquarius-age/


note: There are not too many years in the gap between 1998 or 2012-2013:


Scientists today confirmed the galactic alignment as the Maya predicted, “There’s no question that one of the great cycles of the traditional ancient Mayan calendar comes to a completion of its count at that time in 2012,” says E.C. Krupp, Ph.D., director of the Griffith Observatory in Los Angeles, California.
In fact, many scientists believe we should be paying closer attention to what the Maya predicted for our own sake. Hidden in their hieroglyphic text is the key to our own salvation, but we must open our minds to see it. The Maya calculated on the day the historic alignment on December 21, 2012, over 2,000 years ago.“…our ancestors devised every method imaginable to alert us to a single fact; now is the time of the most extraordinary conditions and opportunities that accompany the rarest of events, the shift from one world age to the next.” Fractal Time, Gregg Braden


The general consensus is the Astrological Age is about 2,150 years with some deviation because the earth’s rotations vary in length. Another factor is the disproportionate sizes of the constellations.
This coming new era should usher in a period of group consciousness. Aquarius and Leo are polar opposites. As precession marches further into the Age of Aquarius, the “intensive self-consciousness of Leo” should expand into the “group awareness of Aquarius.”
In other words, the individual should become universal while still maintaining individuality. Personal Identity will be lost for the good of the whole. Yet personal spiritual identity would remain intact.


https://psy-minds.com/aquarius-age/
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So many theories abound! But one thing is certain, it's about time, (for a change)



Being on a cusp of an Age can last hundreds of year, can it not?


http://www.crystalwind.ca/latest-ast...re-of-humanity


Some other author muses:
Ruth Goldstein as she tells her story. "We are at the cusp of the Aquarian age, the year is 2654 AD. The effects of the new age have been felt for quite some time, but most specifically since 2013 when the earth's atmosphere started to change. I have been in this world since 1965.


https://www.amazon.com/Invisible-Hel.../dp/1496002598


and considering:
Edgar Cayce called for a “ gradual change ” starting in 1998 between the Piscean Age and the Age of Aquarius. He didn’t call for a cataclysmic end. He also hinted that it’s up to us through our actions and choices as to how much pain this change will bring.


https://psy-minds.com/aquarius-age/


note: There are not too many years in the gap between 1998 or 2012-2013:


Scientists today confirmed the galactic alignment as the Maya predicted, “There’s no question that one of the great cycles of the traditional ancient Mayan calendar comes to a completion of its count at that time in 2012,” says E.C. Krupp, Ph.D., director of the Griffith Observatory in Los Angeles, California.
In fact, many scientists believe we should be paying closer attention to what the Maya predicted for our own sake. Hidden in their hieroglyphic text is the key to our own salvation, but we must open our minds to see it. The Maya calculated on the day the historic alignment on December 21, 2012, over 2,000 years ago.“…our ancestors devised every method imaginable to alert us to a single fact; now is the time of the most extraordinary conditions and opportunities that accompany the rarest of events, the shift from one world age to the next.” Fractal Time, Gregg Braden


The general consensus is the Astrological Age is about 2,150 years with some deviation because the earth’s rotations vary in length. Another factor is the disproportionate sizes of the constellations.
This coming new era should usher in a period of group consciousness. Aquarius and Leo are polar opposites. As precession marches further into the Age of Aquarius, the “intensive self-consciousness of Leo” should expand into the “group awareness of Aquarius.”
In other words, the individual should become universal while still maintaining individuality. Personal Identity will be lost for the good of the whole. Yet personal spiritual identity would remain intact.


https://psy-minds.com/aquarius-age/

TREMENDOUS disrespect of Vedic settings by those constructing and following tropical settings for EVERYTHING EXCEPT the astrological Ages, is at the root of the wildly different start-times proposed for the sidereal (12 equal Signs measured along the Elliptic) Aquarian Age.
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TREMENDOUS disrespect of Vedic settings by those constructing and following tropical settings for EVERYTHING EXCEPT the astrological Ages, is at the root of the wildly different start-times proposed for the sidereal (12 equal Signs measured along the Elliptic) Aquarian Age.

I personally would not say, "tremendous disrespect",because I don't know what's in the hearts and minds of others, however, I do agree the Sidereal is the way to go, because of the keeping to the Astronomical data, the backdrop of the stars and constellations. I don't know if it's laziness or just habit of the Astrologers, but whatever it is, it's their own path.


To each their own, I always say. I'll read anything in a given topic, if it's decent Astrology based. (given the time I have available to me in a given week or day.


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I recall about 15-perhaps 20 yrs ago, Bernadette Brady, an Astrologer most respect in Europe and here in the U.S., once said, (or many times maintained), the same thought and expressed it in her writings and blog, that the fixed stars cannot be used with the planets, only the Parans stars would count. Of course at the time, it bothered me, because I was using them regularly with the planets and angles.


example of having this fixed star on the ecliptic:
https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Treindl,_Alois


TODAY, or rather about 5 yrs ago? She did a 180° without fanfare, except for her new book on using the Fixed stars with planets, lol.

People can change in a heartbeat.

I recall the owner of another large astro forum, who happens to have Algol Rising insisted on a thread I had going about Algol influence, that one "absolutely may not use Algol, as a determinant in a chart, BECAUSE, it is too far off the ecliptic. I was even given a map and drawing, similar to this one, to try and bolster his theory or whatever it was then. (Remember, I said, he had Algol at the ASC) WHERE is the Ecliptic, and the Horizon located: - I like the 3rd answer down:

https://zyntara.com/algol-where-is-it/


https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/7...gh%20the%20sky.


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A few years later, with the intense interest in fixed stars on his site, we don't hear the same song any longer from him.

I simply say, ". Que sera sera or a phrase that one might speak when he is resigned to a situation or is at peace with whatever outcome may come about from a situation


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I personally would not say, "tremendous disrespect",because I don't know what's in the hearts and minds of others, however, I do agree the Sidereal is the way to go, because of the keeping to the Astronomical data, the backdrop of the stars and constellations. I don't know if it's laziness or just habit of the Astrologers, but whatever it is, it's their own path.


To each their own, I always say. I'll read anything in a given topic, if it's decent Astrology based. (given the time I have available to me in a given week or day.



You're right. I should have said "ABSOLUTE disregard" of Vedic astrology when it comes down to when the Aquarian Age will formally begin, using the Vernal Equinoctial Point (VP), at the time the VP first ingresses sidereal Aquarius.
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You're right. I should have said "ABSOLUTE disregard" of Vedic astrology when it comes down to when the Aquarian Age will formally begin, using the Vernal Equinoctial Point (VP), at the time the VP first ingresses sidereal Aquarius.

Makes all the difference in the world! I agree with you.



On the other forum I mentioned, there were hard and fast rules, not just for the forum, BUT for Astrology, (which is supposed to be an art)
When I first joined, (telling out of school stories here), but geesh, 20 years ago? 21?? There was NO Vedic Astrology and the owner and "others" were dead set against Vedic, writing rather disparagingly about it.

I was aghast!! Not to mention "annoyed" by it the disrespect., because I always had a great deal of respect, if not for India necessarily but for Vedic and what it can teach us. I see Vedic as more informative then tropical, although I trained myself, in western astrology.



So I take a huge offense when we turn out heads away and put down one vs another, (just my own hangup I guess i.e. past lifetimes I suppose)


But today, although perhaps begrudgingly, Vedic has it's OWN forum on that site, with it's OWN rules, lol - for charts; and everyone tolerates well the other. I hope. No more nasty posts and blogs about Vedic Astrologers even if secretly, western tropicalists and some "people" in certain cultures, believe they are superior and say as much in their books and writings. Ugh!
Every chance I got over 15 yrs or more, I supported and pushed for the "idea" of a Vedic Forum so I was very pleased when it happened. (even though I'm only learning, and maybe never will in this lifetime, I still can respect it and do)
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Western sidereal is more similar to tropical than Vedic, but uses Sign-boundary positions that matchup with Vedic.

Western siderealists are usually EXTREMELY disparaging about using the Seasons to locate the Signs, as we do topically. That might be why we don't have a Western sidereal forum here, along with the Vedic forum.
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Western sidereal is more similar to tropical than Vedic, but uses Sign-boundary positions that matchup with Vedic.

Western siderealists are usually EXTREMELY disparaging about using the Seasons to locate the Signs, as we do topically. That might be why we don't have a Western sidereal forum here, along with the Vedic forum.

I noticed that online before. It's always the ego, that says, "My way or the highway", which is sad to me. ... Egos out of control, are a blot on the soul, imo.


I recall bumping up against Eshelman online, the hero in some circles of Siderealist Astrologers. the reason bieng, I mentioned to him (on FB), that using his method which someone I knew was promoting it heavily, did not reward us with the winner of the 2008 Presidential Elections. The Sideralist promoted McCain, and I said Obama, along with most Tropicalists.



That was my last foray into Sidereal Astrology.



note: a LOT of people rumored he had died when tr Pluto went over his 4th house NN at 09Capricorn (Tr Pluto was 07 at the time) But we spoke afterwards,



I have no idea about now, whether he is still on FB or not. Runs astrology SolLUnar.com


I vaguely recall, he was polite and respectful when I spoke with him about the promotion of that prediction.


https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Eshelman,_James_A.


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Karen Wilkerson and Joan G. Piszek, and that they together with James Eshelman founded the Registry of Sidereal Astrologers. Thus, Wilkerson and Piszek would appear to have been working as editors of two separate journals of sidereal astrology at once in 1975-6, only one of which, 'The Constellations', was edited by Eshelman.
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note: Sidereal Astrologer Jim Eshelman:
I don't know WHY the astro.com link doesn't open now, but when you type his name into Google search engine, it comes up (the same link and opens with the chart and bio)
American astrological student from 13, a regular contributor to magazines from 16 and founding editor of "Constellations." His books include "The Sidereal Handbook" and "The New Instant Astrologer." Computer skilled, he started a business in 1983, The User's Guide, providing education and support for micro-computer owners. A board member of ISAR and a speaker at national conventions, he withdrew from active participation in the astrological community in 1984.
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Added: The "rumour mill" had it he died in 2012, and I constructed the chart for his "death", but alas, he is alive and kicking, at least in 2017 when he posted his natal chart for all to have:


https://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php?t=559


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Well, there you have it: The "commercial organizations" are more likely to use the Caduceus, which was related to commerce. It's also flashier than the one that was related to the medical professions, so it's better for advertising.

But, why the snake? What do snakes have to do with healing?

In fact, it was an arrow dipped in the snake-headed Hydra's blood that gave gave Chiron the wound that couldn't be healed.

Of course, snakes of the viper family do have hypodermic needles as fangs.
The snake is an ancient symbol of wisdom. Cf. the Python at Delphi, where the oracles predicted the future, the snake in the garden of Eden on the tree of knowledge, and Matthew 10:16: "Be you as wise as serpents and as gentle as doves."
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Snakes intertwined their way throughout the constellations. There are more snake and serpent constellations than anything else.

Interwoven in myth.
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I have been reading "Fixed Stars in the Chart - Constellation, Lunar Mansions and Mythology" by Oscar Hofman. It is a recent book published in 2019.



I acquired it on my last trip to Banyen books in Vancouver.


He associates Sagittarius totally to Chiron.


Talks of his kinship to Prometheus(forethought) and releasing him and himself from pain.


Also of interest, and I quote:



"The arrow of Sagittarius is a symbol of the world axis or the Pole, traditionally the divine centre around which everything turns. A link with this centre is to gain knowledge of the essence."



Also:


"Polis, a star on the arrow, gives optimism, success, ambition and sharp insights."


While, I am still not ready to agree that Sagittarius has total domicility of Chiron, I do find it of interest, the symbolism of the arrow and linking it to the axis, or pole.



With the other reading, I have done, and much of it talking of Chiron being a link to the Precession of the Ages, definitely a closer look at the stars of the arrow, are piquing my interest.


Back to myths and sky maps!


He also wrote a book called Classical Medical Astrology.

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I have been reading "Fixed Stars in the Chart - Constellation, Lunar Mansions and Mythology" by Oscar Hofman. It is a recent book published in 2019.



I acquired it on my last trip to Banyen books in Vancouver.


He associates Sagittarius totally to Chiron.


Talks of his kinship to Prometheus(forethought) and releasing him and himself from pain.


Also of interest, and I quote:



"The arrow of Sagittarius is a symbol of the world axis or the Pole, traditionally the divine centre around which everything turns. A link with this centre is to gain knowledge of the essence."



Also:


"Polis, a star on the arrow, gives optimism, success, ambition and sharp insights."


While, I am still not ready to agree that Sagittarius has total domicility of Chiron, I do find it of interest, the symbolism of the arrow and linking it to the axis, or pole.



With the other reading, I have done, and much of it talking of Chiron being a link to the Precession of the Ages, definitely a closer look at the stars of the arrow, are piquing my interest.


Back to myths and sky maps!


He also wrote a book called Classical Medical Astrology.

Prometheus was being punished for giving the gift of fire-making to human kind. Also, because Zeus demanded that Prometheus, who was the only one with the future-vision to know, tell him who was next in the line of Rulership of the gods, but he refused.

In the tropical Age sequence, the Fire-sign Age of Sagittarius was going to give way to the Age of Capricorn, whereby the god that Zeus had dethroned and locked away after the War of the Titans--his own father, Saturn the Devourer--would rule the Earth.

Ironic that it's now the father of Saturn--Ouranos, god of the Heavens, whom Saturn dethroned--who will be the next to Rule the World during the Aquarian Age. Saturn will fight until the end of this Age of Capricorn to hold on to power, even despite knowing it's a losing battle.

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I have been reading "Fixed Stars in the Chart - Constellation, Lunar Mansions and Mythology" by Oscar Hofman. It is a recent book published in 2019.



I acquired it on my last trip to Banyen books in Vancouver.


He associates Sagittarius totally to Chiron.


Talks of his kinship to Prometheus(forethought) and releasing him and himself from pain.


Also of interest, and I quote:



"The arrow of Sagittarius is a symbol of the world axis or the Pole, traditionally the divine centre around which everything turns. A link with this centre is to gain knowledge of the essence."




Also:


"Polis, a star on the arrow, gives optimism, success, ambition and sharp insights."


While, I am still not ready to agree that Sagittarius has total domicility of Chiron, I do find it of interest, the symbolism of the arrow and linking it to the axis, or pole.



With the other reading, I have done, and much of it talking of Chiron being a link to the Precession of the Ages, definitely a closer look at the stars of the arrow, are piquing my interest.


Back to myths and sky maps!


He also wrote a book called Classical Medical Astrology.

My BML is conjunct the "Galactic Centre" and trines my Moon in Leo- which is approx.27 Sag, last I looked....
Some people watch it closely:

https://www.astrologyweekly.com/blog...lactic-center/





.....(2017) The GC, and the new moon in December will be conjunct as well. Black Moon Lilith will conjunct in October. There’s a lot of stimulation going on with the Galactic Center in 2017. When Saturn opposed the Galactic Center in the early 2000’s, the Iraq War began. Pluto was also involved though, opposite Saturn, and that won’t be the case this time.




Even though I've always been this way, not just on a conjunction as described in 2017 - I found it interesting and very likely true. Perhaps diaries would be kept for others:


BML in Sagittarius rise up against corruption, with a complete disregard for the given laws and justice. BML in Sagittarius seeks the truth that really makes sense to them, what laws and principles they will act and stand by These issues are greatly enhanced during this BML transit (Feb 13th to Nov 9th, 2017).


from the link:
“We have a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws”, said Martin Luther King, who was born with a Black Moon Lilith in Sagittarius. It was also during a transit of BML in Sagittarius that a fundamental inspiration for Martin Luther was published: Civil Disobedience (1849), written by Henry Thoureau. Black Moon Lilith does not play in service, it materializes.


DID his BML or another planet aspect the GC? Seems so ....


https://vanessaguazzellipaim.com/bla...-leap-forward/.


His BML 15 Sag and his Saturn 21 SAG trined Jupiter - Saturn being the ruler of his Sun in Capricorn.



Rosa Parks is another -
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Waybread: Never say Never!


Remember the back and forth over Pluto with Astronomers kicking it out of planet status, then putting it back in?

Chiron makes dwarf planet status:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2060_Chiron
Although it was initially called an asteroid and classified only as a minor planet with the designation "2060 Chiron", in 1989 it was found to exhibit behavior typical of a comet. Today it is classified as both a minor planet and a comet, and is accordingly also known by the cometary designation 95P/Chiron. Michael Brown lists it as possibly a dwarf planet with a measured diameter of 200 km (120 mi)
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