A Discussion Thread About Racism in America

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eekndyn

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I wouldn't admire anyone who wouldn't consider all people of every race religion equal. If by chance her intention were pure I would but you know that they were not so no.

Affirmative action doesn't work. The right person with the right skill set regardless of race should be qualified for the job. In our union, and I will gladly show you our documentation, if you are a black man without experience you have a 30 point advantage, if you are a black woman with no experience you receive a 50 point advantage. That is not the least bit fair to anyone.

A single condom is about .50 sold everywhere a bulk pack could set you back about 10 dollars. An abortion cost about $500-$600 and up.
 
Dirius

Dirius

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david starling said:
Again, the the real reason that contraception, which is far preferable to abortion, is capable of "thinning out" the black population, is the economic situation so many black women are facing.
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You have agreed, by this statement and others, abortion isn't something "good".

Why is it not good? Because its murder.

It is very simple really.
 
Dirius

Dirius

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david starling said:
It's only been successful because of the failures of the "War on Poverty".
Ask yourself which political ideology is against using tax dollars to alleviate poverty, and the promotion of economic advancement by minorities using Affirmative Action.

If you're referring to Sanger, in her case it was ALL about contraception. In her opinion, abortion was entirely not an option. Given your own beliefs, you should at least admire her for that, despite her many shortcomings in other areas.
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No david, its not ok to admire racists and eugenecists.
 
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eekndyn

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Dirius said:
You have agreed, by this statement and others, abortion isn't something "good".

Why is it not good? Because its murder.

It is very simple really.
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You will never convince me she would not be pleased with how progress of planned parenthood. She would of been the biggest cheerleader with the movement.
 
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david starling

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eekndyn said:
You will never convince me she would not be pleased with how progress of planned parenthood. She would of been the biggest cheerleader with the movement.
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She was fundamentally, ethically anti-abortion. That's why they waited until she died to move into the lucrative abortion market. She never would have allowed it. Racist and Capitalistic social Darwinist yes. Abortionist, no.
 
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david starling

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Dirius said:
No david, its not ok to admire racists and eugenecists.
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Compared to those you consider "murderers? And, taking into consideration that her life's work is helping stop millions of what you consider "murders" by almost singlehandedly making contraception legal and readily available?I

Do you really equate deliberately "thinning" minority populations using contraceptives, with using readily available abortions for that purpose?
One isn't "murder" in your estimation , and the other is.

She was also a Capitalistic social-Darwinist like Ayn Rand, who was openly pro-abortion. Are you able to admire Ayn Rand?
 
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david starling

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Fact check: Planned Parenthood had at first only one location offering abortions, and it did not begin doing so until after her death in 1966..
 
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JUPITERASC

JUPITERASC

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david starling said:
Compared to those you consider "murderers? And, taking into consideration that her life's work is helping stop millions of what you consider "murders" by almost singlehandedly making contraception legal and readily available?I

Do you really equate deliberately "thinning" minority populations using contraceptives, with using readily available abortions for that purpose?
One isn't "murder" in your estimation , and the other is.

She was also a Capitalistic social-Darwinist like Ayn Rand, who was openly pro-abortion. Are you able to admire Ayn Rand?
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It is significant to note that Planned Parenthood has never distanced itself
from the vision and ideology of its founder MARGARET SANGER.
Successive presidents of the organization have praised her work :smile:
including Faye Wattleton, who said
"...As we celebrate the 100th birthday of Margaret Sanger
our courageous leader
we should be very proud of what we are and what our mission is.
It is a very grand mission; abortion is only the tip of the iceberg...."


One can only wonder how abortion rights came to be adopted
by liberals in the Democratic Party, or any other party.
It is difficult to image how it came to be identified with
other liberal causes.
Through a slick media campaign and effective sloganeering
Planned Parenthood painted abortion as a compassionate
and caring alternative to childbirth
. Their motivation however may be altogether different :smile:

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david starling

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Again, Planned Parenthood did not begin offering abortion services until after Margaret Sanger's death! Why tell lies to detract from her reputation when there are so many true facts that enable one to do so? :smile:
 
JUPITERASC

JUPITERASC

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david starling said:
Again, Planned Parenthood did not begin offering abortion services until after Margaret Sanger's death!
Why tell lies to detract from her reputation
when there are so many true facts that enable one to do so? :smile:
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MARGARET SANGER had associated herself with Adolph Hitler
praising him for his racial politics of eugenics
and so

MARGARET SANGER

changed the name of American Birth Control League
to

Planned Parenthood during WWII
in order to disguise her racist past. :smile:
 
JUPITERASC

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
david starling said:
Again, the the real reason that contraception, which is far preferable to abortion, is capable of "thinning out" the black population, is the economic situation so many black women are facing.
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Dirius said:
You have agreed, by this statement and others,
abortion isn't something "good".
Why is it not good?

Because its murder.
It is very simple really.
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david starling said:
It's only been successful because of the failures of the "War on Poverty".
Ask yourself which political ideology is against using tax dollars to alleviate poverty, and the promotion of economic advancement by minorities using Affirmative Action.

If you're referring to Sanger, in her case it was ALL about contraception. In her opinion, abortion was entirely not an option. Given your own beliefs, you should at least admire her for that, despite her many shortcomings in other areas.
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Dirius said:
No david, its not ok to admire racists and eugenecists.
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No modern day liberal
would dare question the need for some form of government aid to the poor.

But MARGARET SANGER wanted
more for the privileged and less for the poor.

How did someone who was so obviously biased
and lacking in compassion
become the heroine of todays liberals?
david starling said:
She was fundamentally, ethically anti-abortion.
That's why they waited until she died
to move into the lucrative abortion market.
She never would have allowed it.
Racist and Capitalistic social Darwinist yes. Abortionist, no.
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david starling said:
Fact check: Planned Parenthood had at first only one location offering abortion that did not begin doing so until after her death in 1966.

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MARGARET SANGER AND HER ORGANISATION
BEGAN TO BE PRIMARY SPONSORS OF ABORTION RIGHTS
DURING MARGARET SANGER'S LIFETIME :smile:

But because
MARGARET SANGER had associated herself with Adolph Hitler
praising him for his racial politics of eugenics
MARGARET SANGER changed the name of American Birth Control League
to Planned Parenthood during WWII
in order to disguise her racist past. :smile:

Today, MARGARET SANGER'S organization, Planned Parenthood
is still in the forefront of advocating abortion
as a means of eliminating the unwanted and "unfit."

Not only does the organization perform thousands of abortions each year
it also receives 100's of millions of tax dollars each year
through Federal and State Governments.

and

rather than being in the forefront of a woman's right to choose,

International Planned Parenthood is a primary advocate for
the Chinese Government's policy
of forcing women to have abortions against their will
and it also advocates for the
sterilization of Third World non-Whites across the globe.
It seems that
Planned Parenthood is "..pro-choice.." when trying to impress
the U.S. media
but anti-choice
in the actual implementation of its world-wide agenda.


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david starling

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JUPITERASC said:
MARGARET SANGER had associated herself with Adolph Hitler
praising him for his racial politics of eugenics
and so

MARGARET SANGER

changed the name of American Birth Control League
to

Planned Parenthood during WWII
in order to disguise her racist past. :smile:
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Eugenics is about forced sterilization as a means to prevent pregnancies. It's not about abortions, which terminate pregnancies already in progress.

She changed the name precisely because "birth control" can be construed to include abortion, which she adamantly opposed.
 
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Dirius

Dirius

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david starling said:
Do you really equate deliberately "thinning" minority populations using contraceptives, with using readily available abortions for that purpose?
One isn't "murder" in your estimation , and the other is.
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David you are defending "thinning" minority populations.

This... I don't even have words to describe how awful and racist your current position is.

Do you even read your own words?

You are literally advocating for population control of the black community.
 
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david starling

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Dirius said:
David you are defending "thinning" minority populations.

This... I don't even have words to describe how awful and racist your current position is.

Do you even read your own words?

You are literally advocating for population control of the black community.
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No I'm not. You're equating preventing pregnancies, which isn't "murder" by your definition, with ending Pregancies, which is "murder" by your definition.
 
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david starling

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I'm advocating a stronger Safety-net, especially where pregnancy is involved, and some amount of Affirmative Action to promote economic advancement by minorities. That's how to counteract the thinning out of minority populations, which I'm firmly against.
 
JUPITERASC

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Dirius said:
David you are defending "thinning" minority populations.

This... I don't even have words to describe how awful and racist your current position is.

Do you even read your own words?

You are literally advocating for population control of the black community.
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david starling said:
Eugenics is about forced sterilization as a means to prevent pregnancies.

It's not about abortions, which terminate pregnancies already in progress.
Click to expand...
International Planned Parenthood is a primary advocate for
the Chinese Government's policy
of forcing women to have abortions against their will
and it also advocates for the
sterilization of Third World non-Whites across the globe.
It seems that
Planned Parenthood is "..pro-choice.." when trying to impress
the U.S. media
but anti-choice
in the actual implementation of its world-wide agenda. :smile:

david starling said:
She changed the name precisely because "birth control" can be construed to include abortion, which she adamantly opposed.
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MARGARET SANGER
changed the name of American Birth Control League
to
Planned Parenthood during WWII
IN ORDER TO DISGUISE HER RACIST PAST

MARGARET SANGER had associated herself with Adolph Hitler
praising him for his racial politics of eugenics
 
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david starling

Well-known member
JUPITERASC said:
International Planned Parenthood is a primary advocate for
the Chinese Government's policy
of forcing women to have abortions against their will
and it also advocates for the
sterilization of Third World non-Whites across the globe.
It seems that
Planned Parenthood is "..pro-choice.." when trying to impress
the U.S. media
but anti-choice
in the actual implementation of its world-wide agenda. :smile:



MARGARET SANGER
changed the name of American Birth Control League
to
Planned Parenthood during WWII
IN ORDER TO DISGUISE HER RACIST PAST

MARGARET SANGER had associated herself with Adolph Hitler
praising him for his racial politics of eugenics
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Charles Lindbergh, heroic aviation pioneer, said that he preferred Hitler's Germany to the United States, although he remained in America.

Margaret Sanger expressed regret at her early association with Adolf Hitler.
 
JUPITERASC

JUPITERASC

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david starling said:
Charles Lindbergh, heroic aviation pioneer,

said that he preferred Hitler's Germany to the United States,

although he remained in America.
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JUPITERASC

JUPITERASC

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david starling said:
Margaret Sanger expressed regret at


her early association with Adolf Hitler.
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MARGARET SANGER
changed the name of American Birth Control League
to
Planned Parenthood during WWII
IN ORDER TO DISGUISE HER RACIST PAST :smile:

MARGARET SANGER had associated herself with Adolph Hitler
praising him for his racial politics of eugenics


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aquarius7000

aquarius7000

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david starling said:
Compared to those you consider "murderers? And, taking into consideration that her life's work is helping stop millions of what you consider "murders" by almost singlehandedly making contraception legal and readily available?I

Do you really equate deliberately "thinning" minority populations using contraceptives, with using readily available abortions for that purpose?
One isn't "murder" in your estimation , and the other is.

She was also a Capitalistic social-Darwinist like Ayn Rand, who was openly pro-abortion. Are you able to admire Ayn Rand?
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Well put, especially considering of what magnitude of importance 'racism' and 'hypocrisy' are with some when it comes to misconstruing what others say and policing others and desperately beseeching others to pass their judgements also lollll.:w00t::biggrin::biggrin:
 
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