AppLeo
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No Im not .
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david starling
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Yeah you are. This guy's broke because he lacks the motivation to work to make money, or even to avail himself of the Safety-net. Despair, depression, or some other mental disability has rendered him unfit to meet your Capitalistic standard for human worth. So, you get offended when he asks for a small handout.
david starling
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What's your attitude about customers leaving tips on a restaurant? After all, they've paid the required price for the meal, the waiter is getting paid for serving it, so why should they pay extra?
AppLeo
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Okay, so what?
Customers should leave a tip thats 20% of the cost of the meal.
So if the meal was 100 dollars, then leave a 20 dollar tip.
david starling
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So, you're using one's usefulness to the Capitalists as a measure of human worth. You said you weren't for some reason.
Why tip? Isn't that a free ✋out?
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I tip 15% for a sit-down meal with a waiter. I try to leave a separate dollar for the bus-person (seems like it's always a guy, and older than a "boy"
), but the waiter usually grabs it.
), but the waiter usually grabs it.
Oddity
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david starling
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Some restaurants add the tip to the price automatically, so it's mandatory. You have to pay the minimum 15%, but you can add to it if you really liked the service.
JUPITERASC
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Our technology isn't really that advanced
Can we replace surgeons and nurses with robots? Nope.
Can we replacer waiters? Nope.
Can we replace construction workers or plumbers? Nope.
Can we replace cashiers? Okay yes.
We have a long way to go.
To some degree. You work to create value. You create value for money. If a robot takes your job, you stop creating value, so you can't have money. Without money you can't buy stuff.
Being alive isn't what gives you choices.
If you want infinite choices try the spiritual world or heaven
Because it's slavery if people have to work to give you something that you want.
Over half of rich people are self-made.
Oh okay, so communism. Nice. You know what happens under communism? Resources cease to exist, people starve, etc... because people are being paid for doing what they want not being paid for producing value.
That's why most people are poor. If you want money and to live freely, you have to create a successful business.
If we give a free pass to some people, then everyone will want free passes, and if we give everyone free passes, then who's going to work the jobs that machines can't replace???
It benefits her because the business can produce more products. The more products produced, the more they can lower their prices. The more they lower their prices, the more the public can buy the products. The more products bought, the better the economy and for the public as a whole. When the public and economy gets better other businesses get better so that when the lady buys from these other businesses she can buy these products for cheaper.
Same reason from the last paragraph.
No, I'm saying people need to be more careful who they buy from.
As I said before, people need to pay more attention to what they're buying.
Yeah, maybe government regulations will help, but these regulations will not catch everything that could be harmful.
Willingly trusting the government is naive and sheep like if you ask me.
No, governments are important, but ultimately, people are responsible for taking care of themselves. Not the government. You are the only person looking out for yourself at the end of the day.
OKay.
Because you're just throwing money at people without really fixing their problem.
I'd feel like garbage, if you ask me. Living off of others people's money means that they have less money to spend for themselves that they rightly earned.
I'd have no self-esteem or feel good about myself because the only reason I'd be in good condition is because of the people around me. Not being able to take care of yourself is a very depressing thought. I couldn't live with myself.
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Oh well, not everyone can have it great in life.
Do you think it's good that people do not have the "law" to tell people exactly how to live their lives? IF you answer yes, then you are already saying that law is not what we should aim for. We should be curtailing many of the laws.
Yes, but not nearly as many taxes as we are paying today. Taxes for the police, army, government itself to pass laws are all we need to pay taxes for.
No. Just leave them be like any other person. Treat them like responsible individuals. If they can't provide for themselves, then that's their problem.
Nonono. You see, I'm an individual. The dentist is an individual. WE are two separate entities. My tooth hurts and I have money. The dentist specializes in teeth and he needs money. As two individuals we both consent to a transaction where I give him money to fix my tooth.
I'm an individual. The intellectually disabled person is an individual. We are two separate entities. The disabled person is hungry and has no money. I have money and my own problems. I'm forced to feed this person against my will. They are benefitting at the expense of my time and energy.
She's my hero.
Being selfish is good and I am proud of it.
I don't waste my life on people that want me to be selfless for their own selfish problems. But I'm not the kind of selfish that uses other people for my own gain.
A homeless person that wants me to give them food is the most selfish person in the world. They can't even get a job and make their own money. They just want people to give them food for them just sitting on the sidewalk doing NOTHING!
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Capitalism is the best possible system for as long as there are states and competition. If we abolish states, competition and elitism, also enforce birth control and reduce the human race, then we can use a more humane economic system but even then I doubt we would be able to take it, humans are designed to destroy each other, they love absolute freedom and the possibility to become great and conquer everything, they are more willing to die than they are to live in mediocrity. In order to enforce another system, you have to give humanity a reason to feel great and a purpose.
Right now, any state who tries to abolish capitalism handicaps itself since that means it becomes less competitive and capable, the people will only suffer in such a state because they take less from the pie, balance and equality can only be achieved if everyone is equally competitive.
Capitalism is a very real game of survival.... It's just a game created by humans and by no means you should ever consider it a normall state of living but you have no choice, you gotta play and win, humans are terrible at managing their life and reduce the stress of it, they keep pressuring themselves over the limits for no reason, we are just stupid but we may need it, we like it. I personally wouldn't have a problem with a "responsible" fair system but in a world of states and competition, I prefer to live in the most libertarian state as possible, if i have to play the game then I prefer to have all the options open, in the neocommunist incompetitive bureucratic shitwhole country I live, I have very few options sadly.
Right now, any state who tries to abolish capitalism handicaps itself since that means it becomes less competitive and capable, the people will only suffer in such a state because they take less from the pie, balance and equality can only be achieved if everyone is equally competitive.
Capitalism is a very real game of survival.... It's just a game created by humans and by no means you should ever consider it a normall state of living but you have no choice, you gotta play and win, humans are terrible at managing their life and reduce the stress of it, they keep pressuring themselves over the limits for no reason, we are just stupid but we may need it, we like it. I personally wouldn't have a problem with a "responsible" fair system but in a world of states and competition, I prefer to live in the most libertarian state as possible, if i have to play the game then I prefer to have all the options open, in the neocommunist incompetitive bureucratic shitwhole country I live, I have very few options sadly.
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david starling
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Is your country dropping bombs on other countries to support the oil and weapons Corporations?
Asgardian Oracle
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Prosperity doesn't come without getting your hands dirty, would you prefer to live in poverty and suffer? Usa is a prosperous place because it plays the game well, if it didn't, you would have other things to worry about.
Americans do what they must in order to win the game, if they don't do that then the resources will pass on another hands and they will lose, thus their people will suffer, I wouldn't feel bad for having such a goverment.
Countries who can't compete with another countries in order to prosper then suck from their people's blood in order to do so, a prime example is my country, so in the end, in the world of competition, a sacrifice will be made, if someone else doesn't eat bombs then it might be you who will do. The honest thing is to fight... the dishonest and attrocious thing is to sacrifice your people to remain on top, a prime characteristic of communist goverments.
Do I support such bloodshed though? Well, I don't, it's a neccesity in the world we live but I don't support it because it's inresponsible and against humanity, but in order to change it then everything we know until now, needs to change, the world has to become one, humans need to be reduced by a lot, elitist classes need to fall, birth control needs to be enforced and a lot more.
In a truly fair world, then yes, I wouldn't want a country who drops bombs and acts against the balance.
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david starling
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Ireland turned things around economically without needing to attack other countries.
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The economies are nowhere close though and I think the standar of living in the US is much higher besides that Usa has to support a very large military and operations all over the world.
Can Ireland compete with the Russia army? Is Ireland the same size with the US? Was Ireland a major player on the ww2? The big economies of Europe either attack or export a lot, exporting is still attacking because you make money with it on the expense of another.
All in all, if your country is small and not under external threat then yes, you can prosper with a smaller piece from the pie. Usa needs a much bigger piece in order to sustain what it has created.
AppLeo
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It is a measure of human worth to some degree. The richer someone is, the more value they have created for the world. The more they have helped the world.
And you tip because that's what's agreed in the transaction. There would be no servers if no one tipped.
I don't know. that's just what you're supposed to do. You tip servers based on how good they are. If they don't do good, then you tip them nothing. If they're great then 20%.
Well sort of. For my job right now, I am a busser. I get a percentage of all the tips that the servers make. When servers don't make money; I don't make money.