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You're right....I missed this crucial link. Now I'm getting it. Very heavy stuff.
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The numbers on the Tarot wheel, the houses that the signs Aquarius, Taurus, Leo and Scorpio own
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The numbers on the Tarot wheel, the houses that the signs Aquarius, Taurus, Leo and Scorpio own
I'm going to ask Blacksun? to check out the link. He's an expert on tarot.
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I'm going to ask Blacksun? to check out the link. He's an expert on tarot.
I do not know Blacksun. Could you ask him what the Jewish letters mean on the wheel please?

I have been looking in my Hebrew translation book, it is not a huge help.

They are also on one of the Keys. Thank you!
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I do not know Blacksun. Could you ask him what the Jewish letters mean on the wheel please?

I have been looking in my Hebrew translation book, it is not a huge help.

They are also on one of the Keys. Thank you!
He has his own thread in Other Astrology, "Jupiter-Time". I've frequently posted there, especially about Sign rulership. He's a sort of Light-warrior, with Sun in tropical Aquarius.
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Posted on blacksun?'s thread, about yours. He travels a lot, to Europe, so could be unavailable.
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Posted on blacksun?'s thread, about yours. He travels a lot, to Europe, so could be unavailable.
Thank you David! It would be interesting to hear his interpretation of the Wheel of Fortune tarot card.

In the meantime, I will do some reading in my tarot section. Thanks for the nudge in that direction.
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T A R O

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First sentence represents the endless cycle of the earth.
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Hello Opal,
very interesting thread you've got gong on here.

And David, thanks for the kind words. Im not sure if I really count as an expert yet - but I have been an avid student of tarot, especially the major arcana as pertaining to the tree of life.

I was afraid not to be able to help you, Opal, with your question since I don't speak Hebrew, but since I do know the alphabet and many of the occult attributions of the letters, I actually believe I can be of some use.

The four letters on the Fortune card, clockwise down from the top, are Yod, Heh, Vau, Heh. These are called the Tetragrammaton, the four fold name of God.

Yod is the Father (Atziluth, the Absolute world), the first Heh is the Mother (Briah, the Archetypical world), Vau is the Son (Yetzirah, the Formative world) and the second Heh is the Daughter (Assiah, the Physical world, The Kingdom).

Curiously, you can arrange the letters vertically and get the image of a human.

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The numbers on the Tarot wheel, the houses that the signs Aquarius, Taurus, Leo and Scorpio own
Indeed, and these correspond to the figures on the card, the bull, the lion, the eagle and the man.

The Fixed Cross.

The Sphinx is sitting atop of it, and occultists Ive read attribute the Sphinx to the fixed cross in general.
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Now as the letters are arranged,



we see the order of the Signs is
Scorpio/Eagle as Atziluth, Leo as Briah, Taurus as Yetzirah and Aquarius/Man as Assiah.

That is actually very interesting and unexpected.


By rulership, if David could jump in here to substantiate...

Going by the traditional ones, Pluto for the Absolute, the Sun for the Archetypical, Venus for the Formative and Uranus for the Physical, the Kingdom.

This latter attribution corresponds to Theosophic astrology which has Uranus representing Ray 7 of Ceremonial Magic, corresponding to the first chakra, and Pluto for Ray 1 of Will and Power, attributed to the crown chakra.
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Personally, I prefer the eagle-like bird, the Phoenix of ancient Egypt, for Scorpio. When Neptune was in Scorpio in the late, "Soaring 60s", there was an explosion on the NASA launch pad that killed 3 astronauts. This was January 27, 1967. The Space Program continued, arising from the ashes.

There's also the connection between the Egyptian Phoenix and the rise of the culture of ancient Egypt at the beginning of the (tropical) Age of Scorpio.

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Blacksun, what's the meaning of that reddish creature, doing all the heavy lifting, holding up the wheel all by itself? Possibly Anubis? Since Anubis in ancient Egypt guided the souls to the Underworld, I would equate him, along with the alchemical god Thoth, with Hermes/Mercury, who had that function in the Greco-Roman pantheon.

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I am following the discussion with curiosity and looked up the story about Pauli mentioned on the linked site. But I have a very hard time understanding the connections between astrology and opaque esoteric monotheism with all the codes and associations because the purpose of encoding and decoding isnít clear. Is it liberatory?
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Hi all,

I would like to answer, but, I have to go out. I thank you all, and look forward to discussing this further.

Black Sun, thank you for your valuable information.

God, that is what is in the center of the key, and associated with Tetragramaton. Cool, I have to go out, but my brain will be here.

Talk to you all soon! Opal
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I am following the discussion with curiosity and looked up the story about Pauli mentioned on the linked site. But I have a very hard time understanding the connections between astrology and opaque esoteric monotheism with all the codes and associations because the purpose of encoding and decoding isnít clear. Is it liberatory?
Yes, Opal, what secrets have you unlocked so far?
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Yes, Opal, what secrets have you unlocked so far?
Petosiris, you are showing your disdain for this subject and me again. Could you please remove your post. I do not go to your posts and be rude. I expect the same courtesy, nor do I feel the need to explain what I have learned, as your religion will not allow you to think in these terms, you need not be here or even read here.

Have a nice day Petosiris

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Yes, Opal, what secrets have you unlocked so far?
And why would you quote Passiflora? And talk to me with your obvious contention. If you need to be like that to me, at least be up front about it.

Honestly.
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I am not going to delete my post. This is a public forum where everyone is allowed to share their opinion. If you think I am rude, you can report my post, because being rude is against the forum rules under the ethical rules heading - https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/faq.php

I was asking an honest question reiterating passiflora's, you are free to ignore it. You are also free to ignore all my posts via the forum function of ignore - just visit my profile, click ''user list'' and ''add to ignore list''.
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I am not going to delete my post. This is a public forum where everyone is allowed to share their opinion. If you think I am rude, you can report my post, because being rude is against the forum rules under the ethical rules heading - https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/faq.php

I was asking an honest question reiterating passiflora's, you are free to ignore it. You are also free to ignore all my posts via the forum function of ignore - just visit my profile, click ''user list'' and ''add to ignore list''.
Disdain is not an opinion.

If you wish to give an opinion feel free.

If your faith leads you to treat others, and their opinions like this, maybe you should question your faith.

You seem to be following me around and doing this, it is called stalking. Is your religion okay with this?

I really do admire your ability to stick to your religion. It is too bad that judgement of me is something you have chosen to show to others. It really is sad, sweet Petosiris. You would tarnish your faith, by demeaning another persons opinion.

Stay here then. I will ignore your posts from now on. Not on the list, no need. I will just ignore them.

Feel free to answer. As I stated earlier to others, I would like to give my opinion on the subject, but I have to go to a charity event.

The Moderators do read sometimes. Noting whether people are talking on the subject or not.

I won't report you, it isn't my style. So if they contact you for your behavior, don't blame me. I politely requested you to delete and refrain.
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I am concerned, because I used to be keen on unlocking so-called mysteries as well. Now I am not afraid to answer from where and in what is the benefit of such investigations, by the way, my first post wasn't directed at you, but at people who are actually familiar with ''so-called depths''. I get a feeling you just don't want to answer passiflora's question.

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Jesus, don't get too paranoid or you might end up insane like rahu. Last I recall he was also breaking out of the Matrix.
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Hello Opal,
very interesting thread you've got gong on here.

Thank you, it is nice to have someone to talk to that is interesting in similar things.

And David, thanks for the kind words. Im not sure if I really count as an expert yet - but I have been an avid student of tarot, especially the major arcana as pertaining to the tree of life.

I was afraid not to be able to help you, Opal, with your question since I don't speak Hebrew, but since I do know the alphabet and many of the occult attributions of the letters, I actually believe I can be of some use.

The four letters on the Fortune card, clockwise down from the top, are Yod, Heh, Vau, Heh. These are called the Tetragrammaton, the four fold name of God.

I know of the Tetragrammaton, but, I would not call myself an expert. Thank you, for the knowledge.

Yod is the Father (Atziluth, the Absolute world), the first Heh is the Mother (Briah, the Archetypical world), Vau is the Son (Yetzirah, the Formative world) and the second Heh is the Daughter (Assiah, the Physical world, The Kingdom).

Interesting. I am going to have to do some reading though. I am not exactly sure of the differences between the Absolute, Archetypical, Formative and Physical. I could guess, but, I will look them up before I comment. Thank you.

Curiously, you can arrange the letters vertically and get the image of a human.

Do you believe the imagery to be intentional?
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Indeed, and these correspond to the figures on the card, the bull, the lion, the eagle and the man.

The Fixed Cross.

The Sphinx is sitting atop of it, and occultists Ive read attribute the Sphinx to the fixed cross in general.
I have been looking at one of my Tarot books today. It mentioned that the Sphinx is known to be one of the keepers of time. Actually, while reading the Major Arcana explanations, Time, and Time Keepers, came up a few times. Once with the Hierophant.
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Now as the letters are arranged,



we see the order of the Signs is
Scorpio/Eagle as Atziluth, Leo as Briah, Taurus as Yetzirah and Aquarius/Man as Assiah.

That is actually very interesting and unexpected.


By rulership, if David could jump in here to substantiate...

Going by the traditional ones, Pluto for the Absolute, the Sun for the Archetypical, Venus for the Formative and Uranus for the Physical, the Kingdom.

This latter attribution corresponds to Theosophic astrology which has Uranus representing Ray 7 of Ceremonial Magic, corresponding to the first chakra, and Pluto for Ray 1 of Will and Power, attributed to the crown chakra.
While looking through the book, I noticed another card. The world. It also has The Man, Lion, Eagle and Bull. There are other cards that have some of them, and I can't remember which one, but one of them had the letters TARO. I think it was the Empress.

The never ending circle of earth.

tarotarotarotarotarotarotarotarotarotarotarotaro

Hidden within the cards, as well as other things.

What can you teach me of the world card.
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I am following the discussion with curiosity and looked up the story about Pauli mentioned on the linked site. But I have a very hard time understanding the connections between astrology and opaque esoteric monotheism with all the codes and associations because the purpose of encoding and decoding isnít clear. Is it liberatory?
Hi Passiflora,

I wish I could answer the question, but being a humble student of the arts, I do not pretend to understand all. I see what I see, and I try to see more, by learning and asking to be taught by others. I try to answer what I can, and I try to be polite to others in the process. I don't always succeed. I am still learning. One thing I have learned, is that, I am coming back. I am not elevated enough not to.
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