david starling
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Brightness of Venus signifies dense Atmosphere, rules an Air-sign.
Cancer as the start of the Zodiac makes more sense
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david starling
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is able to be warmed by its ruler! 
david starling
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Yes, indeed - Taurus!
Solid, land-dwelling animal signifies Fixed-Earth.
Constellations don't exist, but even if they did the sand-dwelling scorpion isn't really watery either. In fact its actually fixed earthy
david starling
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Solid moisture and moderate heat = Air
Solid moisture is snow or ice.
Aha! Water buffalo!
Most temperaments in physics change from Air to Fire to Earth to Water to Air. The ecliptic, the four seasons, the four ages, the phase of the Moon and the phases of the three outer planets, Saturn, Jupiter and Mars all exhibit this natural change of power.
Occasionally, some movements produce backward change - Air to Water to Earth to Fire to Air. Only the phases of the two inner planets, Venus and Mercury, and the diurnal movement of the angles illustrate this awkward change.
You should never be able to see a change from Air to Earth, Fire to Water, or vice versa. This is because these elements contain two opposite qualities and have absolutely nothing in common. It can be clearly seen from the following observations.
Moon is moistening and moderately heating from new moon to first quarter
Moon is heating and moderately drying from first quarter to full moon
Moon is drying and moderately cooling from full moon to last quarter
Moon is cooling and moderately moistening from last quarter to new moon
Morning additive planets are moistening and moderately heating
Morning subtractive planets are heating and moderately drying
Evening subtractive planets are drying and moderately cooling
Evening additive planets are cooling and moderately moistening
Spring, First Age and Setting are moistening and moderately heating
Summer, Second Age and Midheaven are heating and moderately drying
Autumn, Third Age and Hour-Marker are drying and moderately cooling
Winter, Fourth Age and Anti-Midheaven are cooling and moderately moistening
Aries, Taurus and Gemini are moistening and moderately heating
Cancer, Leo and Virgo are heating and moderately drying
Libra, Scorpio and Sagittarius are drying and moderately cooling
Capricorn, Aquarius and Pisces are cooling and moderately moistening
Occasionally, some movements produce backward change - Air to Water to Earth to Fire to Air. Only the phases of the two inner planets, Venus and Mercury, and the diurnal movement of the angles illustrate this awkward change.
You should never be able to see a change from Air to Earth, Fire to Water, or vice versa. This is because these elements contain two opposite qualities and have absolutely nothing in common. It can be clearly seen from the following observations.
Moon is moistening and moderately heating from new moon to first quarter
Moon is heating and moderately drying from first quarter to full moon
Moon is drying and moderately cooling from full moon to last quarter
Moon is cooling and moderately moistening from last quarter to new moon
Morning additive planets are moistening and moderately heating
Morning subtractive planets are heating and moderately drying
Evening subtractive planets are drying and moderately cooling
Evening additive planets are cooling and moderately moistening
Spring, First Age and Setting are moistening and moderately heating
Summer, Second Age and Midheaven are heating and moderately drying
Autumn, Third Age and Hour-Marker are drying and moderately cooling
Winter, Fourth Age and Anti-Midheaven are cooling and moderately moistening
Aries, Taurus and Gemini are moistening and moderately heating
Cancer, Leo and Virgo are heating and moderately drying
Libra, Scorpio and Sagittarius are drying and moderately cooling
Capricorn, Aquarius and Pisces are cooling and moderately moistening
david starling
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ptolemy, we both fixate on specific patterns. You're a catalytic thinker. You triggered a new thought for 12/12: Moon in 12/12 is Exalted in Aquarius, ruled by the Heavens. That makes the Moon Queen of the Heavens.
david starling
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You have a label or name for this pattern?
I call it Aristotle's alchemy.
david starling
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Ruled by Hermes/Mercury?
Reason is ruled by Mercury, so yes maybe.
When it comes to the elements and the seven planets, only three of the planets have perfect affinity with a particular element, that is the Sun with fire (heat + moderately dry), the Moon and Venus with air (moist + moderately hot).
Jupiter is airy to be sure, but inclining towards the heating quality instead of the moist, likewise Saturn is earthy, but inclining towards the cooling quality instead of the drying. Similarly Mars is burning and drying rather than having a more temperate admixture. Mercury can be any of the four, but air or earth in particular. No nearby planet exhibits a watery admixture of cold and moist.
Jupiter is airy to be sure, but inclining towards the heating quality instead of the moist, likewise Saturn is earthy, but inclining towards the cooling quality instead of the drying. Similarly Mars is burning and drying rather than having a more temperate admixture. Mercury can be any of the four, but air or earth in particular. No nearby planet exhibits a watery admixture of cold and moist.
Actually, although the planets are affected with dryness when rising, with heat when culminating, with moisture when setting and with cold when anti-culminating, the powers are actually changed in the opposite and natural way when it comes to their powers. Clearly, the planets are not, for example, the Sun, as heating when rising as when setting, but it is obvious that the rising is stronger than the setting, because the rising stars are moving towards the heavens, and the setting towards the earth, where the planets become much less effective. (This same principle applies to the angles, and this is why the post-ascensions are stronger than the pre-ascensions, though they may be adjacent to the angle.)
Indeed, the more observant astrologers noticed that the Ascendant is more like air in effect while the Setting more like earth in effect, in the sense that the Ascendant is more beneficent and powerful than the Setting. http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Ptolemy/Tetrabiblos/3D*.html#ref133
Air is made of two active and fertile qualities that bring things together and increase them, Earth of two destructive and passive qualities that separate and decrease them. Fire and Water are common for they each possess one beneficent and one maleficent quality, though fire is slightly more beneficent than water because it abounds in greater active quality.
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david starling
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Glowing ember, red-orange. Not a gas-flame.
SunConjunctUranus
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However, keep in mind that
Morinus correct the precession
aka employing zodiac
in respect to the fixed stars too.
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