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Planetary returns Specific for Venus, Mercury, Mars return charts, just as in the Solar/Lunar charts techniques, not as transits to the natal chart. Also includes Lilith returns.


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My Venus return occurs in a few hours. BIWHEELS included

I am employing several methods here because I'm really curious as to which is more accurate...using place of birth always or relocation charts. I have always felt the birth location to be most pertinent but am open minded.

This is the biwheel of my Natal chart and Venus return chart and in both cases using the place of birth which is San Antonio, Texas - USA

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a351/CorpusChristian1/Astrology/astrologyamysnatalwith2010venusretu.gif

It doesn't give the numbers so here are my natal numbers

Sun Virgo 247'34 in house 6 direct
Moon Aries 2450'23 in house 1 direct
Mercury Virgo 2926'18 in house 7 direct
Venus Cancer 1705'38 in house 5 direct
Mars Pisces 2206'37 in house 1 retrograde
Jupiter Virgo 1000'27 in house 6 direct
Saturn Scorpio 2643'21 end of house 8 direct
Uranus Leo 429'50 in house 5 direct
Neptune Libra 2814'23 in house 8 direct
Pluto Leo 2826'44 in house 6 direct
True Node Sagittarius 322'04 in house 9 retrograde
Part of Fortune Scorpio 10 degrees
Chiron Aquarius 7 44 35 Retrograde

House positions (Placidus)
Ascendant Pisces 1833'29
2nd House Aries 2810'13
3rd House Taurus 2811'12
Imum Coeli Gemini 2241'20
5th House Cancer 1610'32
6th House Leo 1259'19
Descendant Virgo 1833'29
8th House Libra 2810'13
9th House Scorpio 2811'12
Medium Coeli Sagittarius 2241'20
11th House Capricorn 1610'32
12th House Aquarius 1259'19

And here are the figures for my Venus return

Sun Gemini 12 43 6
Moon Aquarius 26 5 18
Mercury Taurus 19 34 0
Venus Cancer 17 6
Mars Leo 28 0 30
Jupiter Pisces 29 36 4
Saturn Virgo 27 50 38
Uranus Aries 0 10 31
Neptune Aquarius 28 42 2 Retrograde
Pluto Capricorn 4 39 59 Retrograde
True Node Capricorn 12 16 4 DIRECT
Chiron Pisces 0 59 27
Part of Fortune Capricorn 21 47
Venus return rising Taurus 8 22 42
Midheaven Capricorn 25 45 33

Next is the RELOCATED Natal chart and RELOCATED Venus Return
using Orlando, Florida USA for BOTH which is my current location since late 2005.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a351/CorpusChristian1/Astrology/astrologybiwheelAmysrelocatedNatala.gif

Here are the RELOCATED natal chart numbers

Sun Virgo 245'09 in house 6 direct
Moon Aries 2418'23 in house 1 direct
Mercury Virgo 2923'24 in house 7 direct
Venus Cancer 1703'21 end of house 4 direct
Mars Pisces 2207'06 in house 1 retrograde
Jupiter Virgo 959'55 in house 6 direct
Saturn Scorpio 2643'15 in house 8 direct
Uranus Leo 429'42 in house 5 direct
Neptune Libra 2814'20 in house 7 direct
Pluto Leo 2826'39 in house 6 direct
True Node Sagittarius 322'17 in house 9 retrograde
Part of Fortune Scorpio 13 11
Chiron Aquarius 7 45 Retrograde

House positions (Placidus)
Ascendant Pisces 2137'22
2nd House Taurus 031'18
3rd House Gemini 008'03
Imum Coeli Gemini 2435'51
5th House Cancer 1819'09
6th House Leo 1536'34
Descendant Virgo 2137'22
8th House Scorpio 031'18
9th House Sagittarius 008'03
Medium Coeli Sagittarius 2435'51
11th House Capricorn 1819'09
12th House Aquarius 1536'34

And here are the numbers for the RELOCATED Venus Return

Sun Gemini 12 43 6
Moon Aquarius 26 5 18
Mercury Taurus 19 34 0
Venus Cancer 17 5 38
Mars Leo 28 0 30
Jupiter Pisces 29 36 4
Saturn Virgo 27 50 38
Uranus Aries 0 10 31
Neptune Aquarius 28 42 2 Retrograde
Pluto Capricorn 4 39 59i retrograde
True Node Capricorn 12 16 4 DIRECT
Part of Fortune Aquarius 11 45 37
Chiron Pisces 0 59 27

Relocated Venus Return rising Taurus 28 23 25
" " Midheaven Aquarius 12 23 41

And HERE is a BIWHEEL using my birth location Natal chart
and my RELOCATED Venus Return

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a351/CorpusChristian1/Astrology/astrologyBIWHEELNatalchartandRELOCA.gif

Here are the natal chart numbers with birth town

Sun Virgo 247'34 in house 6 direct
Moon Aries 2450'23 in house 1 direct
Mercury Virgo 2926'18 in house 7 direct
Venus Cancer 1705'38 in house 5 direct
Mars Pisces 2206'37 in house 1 retrograde
Jupiter Virgo 1000'27 in house 6 direct
Saturn Scorpio 2643'21 end of house 8 direct
Uranus Leo 429'50 in house 5 direct
Neptune Libra 2814'23 in house 8 direct
Pluto Leo 2826'44 in house 6 direct
True Node Sagittarius 322'04 in house 9 retrograde
Part of Fortune Scorpio 10 degrees
Chiron Aquarius 7 44 35 Retrograde

House positions (Placidus)
Ascendant Pisces 1833'29
2nd House Aries 2810'13
3rd House Taurus 2811'12
Imum Coeli Gemini 2241'20
5th House Cancer 1610'32
6th House Leo 1259'19
Descendant Virgo 1833'29
8th House Libra 2810'13
9th House Scorpio 2811'12
Medium Coeli Sagittarius 2241'20
11th House Capricorn 1610'32
12th House Aquarius 1259'19

And here are the numbers for my RELOCATED Venus return

Sun Gemini 12 43 6
Moon Aquarius 26 5 18
Mercury Taurus 19 34 0
Venus Cancer 17 5 38
Mars Leo 28 0 30
Jupiter Pisces 29 36 4
Saturn Virgo 27 50 38
Uranus Aries 0 10 31
Neptune Aquarius 28 42 2 Retrograde
Pluto Capricorn 4 39 59i retrograde
True Node Capricorn 12 16 4 DIRECT
Part of Fortune Aquarius 11 45 37
Chiron Pisces 0 59 27

Relocated Venus Return rising Taurus 28 23 25
" " Midheaven Aquarius 12 23 41


Y'all this has taken me over an hour to do and it is POURING RAIN and THUNDER AND LIGHTNING and I am SO GLAD I was able to post this before I lose electricity and all this work! ahahahaha~

Anyway......any takers? = - ) If my electricity holds out I'll try and add an interp too. It's a Mercury day and Venus hour...good time to post and ask for your imput!

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http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...natalchart.jpg

My placidius chart
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...natalchart.gif

My Vedic chart
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...10withdasa.jpg

Sun conjunct Jupiter: I am almost always in a good mood.

Here to learn astrology.

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Re: My Venus return occurs in a few hours. BIWHEELS included

RE: Natal and Venus Return using San Antonio for both

OK, I note that the Jupiter of my Venus Return is Pisces 29 degrees which is in spot on opposition to my Natal Mercury. Since Mercury is the ruler of my 7th house it's always a significator for my serious relationships anyway.

Note: With my marriage of 24 years our composite midheaven was precisely Virgo 29 degrees...my natal Mercury.

Tho every fella I've gone out with since my divorce....nobody knows their time of birth. Argh! ahahaha~

I'm Taurus rising 8 degrees with my Venus Return and my VR Venus is located in the 3rd house. Short journey's, hmmmmm. It's actually hard for me to travel. I have a good reliable car but since a spontaneous detached retina I don't drive at night at all and tend to stay close to home. If folks want to go somewhere I am free with offering my vehicle and tend to let them drive. My left eye vision can't be corrected with lenses. Maybe it just means good things for my brothers. lol.

The VR 7th house is Scorpio ruled by Mars which is in Leo 28 degrees and in the VR 4th house and squares by sign both the rising and the descendant but not by degree.

The closest natal planet by degree to my VR rising is my natal Jupiter in Virgo 10 degrees by sextile.

Mercury in the VR is in Taurus in the first house.....we know Mercury is very happy in the 1st house.

I have a VR moon of Aquarius conjunct Neptune. And my VR POF is closest to the midheaven with the POF in Capricorn 21 with the midheaven at Capricorn 25 so that's the closest thing to my midheaven. With a natal Venus of Cancer 17 it's in opposition to that.

My natal Pisces rising falls in the VR 11th house. My PROFECTED rising is now Leo and will change to Virgo on August 25th. My PROFECTED Venus is now Sagittarius and will change to Capricorn on August 25th. My PROFECTED Mercury is now Aquarius and will change to Pisces on August 25th.

These are the things I see....but that doesn't mean I necessarily understand what that means. lol.

And I've taken too many chances with my weather so am signing off now.
I'm surprised I still have power. lol.

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Re: My Venus return occurs in a few hours. BIWHEELS included

I got so busy doing other things I forgot about this. lol. So bumping for folks to see just in case somebody's willing to give their imput.

Now because Venus also governs our children I'll tell you that my oldest daughter is getting married for the first time this coming Monday. She's found a good and devoted man and he'll have a prize in her too even if I do say so myself. lol.
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Re: My Venus return occurs in a few hours. BIWHEELS included

Can you post the actual charts alone. The biwheel is confusing.
I hate to say this but all those astroids and so forth tend to simply clutter the basic chart. But this is just me. I usually just include the vertex and north node particularly on a venus. You can mark the others latter. Its just a personal thing I guess as I am a tad ADHD thus is all tends to distract me from the essential details. Sorry.

The few things I can note:
Angles go from fixed to Cardinal implying year starts one way and ends another. Fixed implies little change and entrenched but Cardinal implies action.

Most prominent planet seems to be Pluto but I suspect that Neptune and moon are equally as visiable above the horizon.

Now I know that mars opposing neptune is an interesting one. I have read it tends to dissipate energy. It has actually felt really good, sort of pleasant, the air sparkles and images are vivid. But maybe some risk of injury. With the moon in their this may connect to your emotional states in general.

As venus returns focus on loved ones, money, social life, beauty, romance the challenges and positive influences of such should be seen in this chart.

Venus energy focuses on the third and 9th houses. Venus energizes communication, travel, education,siblings and legal matters or some variation of this.


Hope this helps.

The 2nd house is rising so finance and personal worth seem to be the focus.
Venus in the cadent third implies preparation before new changes and the final third of the venus year a focus.
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Re: My Venus return occurs in a few hours. BIWHEELS included

Thanks for your imput!

I am also showing the Venus return chart by itself, as requested, using my birth city and less junked up.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...ityofbirth.gif

and here my relocated Venus return

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...doasreloca.gif

Which do you think is most valid? And why if you don't mind so I can learn.

And my natal charts alone are under my signature in the first post.

Thank you again for your imput.
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Re: My Venus return occurs in a few hours. BIWHEELS included

Most returns should be in the place you reside and not your birth location. I find them to be more accurate in general.

But you should experiment too. Validate things for yourself.

The angles are the most critical parts of a return and it appears that there is this big emphasis on this mars opposing neptune/moon going on. Use key words by house, planet and sign...ie
Neptune illusion, doubt, dreams, wishes in public, reputation, authority in aquarius, or freedom loving, independent, nonconformist is conjunct moon or change, mothers, wives, emotions opposes mars-action, energy, assertiveness in Leo loyalty and in fourth of home, nurturing...
This dynamic is over the 10/4 houses or dealing with public versus home..this could be about your mother, your own work, women in general or your own home.

Venus in the third again..communication
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