ChildOfVenus
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Do you find this to be more accurate in regards to natal, synastry and composite charts?
Do you find this to be more accurate in regards to natal, synastry and composite charts?
depends who you askDo you find this to be more accurate
in regards to natal, synastry and composite charts?
HISTORICAL DETAILNo, Placidus is the best.
I look at some things by division (quadrant houses) and some by counting (signs).
They highlight different things in a chart.
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=726902#post726902Placidus is first described by Ibn Ezra in the 12th century, though
it really does not matter which house system is original or popular,
what matters is its naturalistic and rational underpinnings.
The truth is I use both, for natal as well as horary. My understanding is that the ancient texts, when referring to the "places, signs, houses" were using the words interchangeably to mean "sign." The first quadrant systems seem to have arisen from the concept of angularity, as is described by Ptolemy as well as others.
The general idea was to calculate the ASC (or the gnomon of the ascendant as used by Valens) and divide the chart by sign for topics. What today we call houses began as a division to determine the stamina of the planet, i.e. how close to an angle, or pivot/stake that planet was, was it approaching/advancing toward an angle or falling away from one.
Many tradtional astrologers I know still use Porphyry (finding the angles and then dividing the quadrants into three houses each) or the slightly more sophisticated Alcabitius system. I personally prefer Placidus because I do more horary work than anything, and Placidus is genius in that each house is exactly two hours of day/night on the day the chart is cast. This brings the hour ruler into the chart in a way no other house system does.
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=85029
I look at some things by division (quadrant houses) and some by counting (signs).
Do you find this to be more accurate in regards to natal, synastry and composite charts?
I don't know if whole sign houses is more accurate than other house systems,
but it is very useful in reducing ambiguity in the chart.
I use whole signs along with regiomontanus houses to get a more in depth look a the the chart with horary.
And I use WS with placidus for natal and extensions of the natal, like progressions, transits, synastry.
Cusps:
Today
and for the past thousand years or so
we define cusps as "borders" (coasts),
but that is not the original meaning of the word "cusp":
it means "point" such as cuspal teeth (bicuspids)
and
the point of a sword
-so originally the term cusp meant the "point" of something,
and in astrology originally the "cusp" of the house meant its "point";
now, when quadrant systems were developed,
this "point" of the house came to mean its "beginning",
which later came to mean its "border",
ie,
the "border" between one house and the other.
And later astrology also began using these "borders" (cusps) for various prognostic applications
(Charles Carter came to believe that, for timing of events, the "cusps" of the Campanus house system gave the best results,
among the various quadrant house systems)
But now notice this:
in whole sign the cusps are NOT the 0 degree "borders" of sign/houses at all,
and never were so regarded!
In whole sign, the "cusp" retained its original meaning,
not as a "border" but rather as A POINT
-and that POINT (cusp) for EACH house, was the sensitive point of that house,
viz,
the sensitive point in whole sign houses
-each house-
that is the "cusp" of each house
-is a direct projection from the ascending degree.
Example:
-the ascending degree of a chart is 18 Taurus:
what are the house cusps (sensitive points, original meaning of the word "cusp")
in the whole sign houses of this chart?
Cusp of 1st house = 18 Taurus
Cusp of 2nd house = 18 Gemini
Cusp of 3rd house = 18 Cancer
Cusp of 4th house = 18 Leo
Cusp of 5th house = 18 Virgo
Cusp of 6th house = 18 Libra
Cusp of 7th house = 18 Scorpio
Cusp of 8th house = 18 Sagittarius
Cusp of 9th house = 18 Capricorn
Cusp of 10th house = 18 Aquarius
Cusp of 11th house = 18 Pisces
Cusp of 12th house = 18 Aries
Now it is these "cusps" (sensitive degrees, original meaning of the word "cusp" as a "point")
that are (and were) used for progressions, timing of events, etc,
and the fact is that they work for these purposes, quite well (in expert hands)
Whole sign does not use the BORDERS between houses (always 0 degree of any sign) for anything,
but it DOES use "cusps" (points in the house, projected from the exact ascending degree)
for timing (and other) delineative purposes.
Whole sign suddenly vanished (both in the West and in Vedic astrology)
during the same period of time
-ie, late 8th to early 9th century-
this sudden disappearance suggests a sudden turn in astrological thinking and practices,
rather than a gradual supplanting of a less effective traditional method (whole sign)
by a new and more effective method (rheotrius/alchabitius in the West,
and the closely related to whole sign Equal house, in Vedic astrology)
I quite agree with Waybread in the statement, "so what?" (if old time astrologers did or didn't do something)
For me, there is only 1 reason I switched to whole sign
-it worked better (FOR ME)
I could care less if it were the oldest house system
(which it is)
or whether it was invented by Badda Bing at Barney's Beanery in Bayonne, 10 years ago:
only things I consider are:
-does it seem to make sense?
-does it "taste good" to me
(ie, does it "feel right" to me)
-and, if yes to the above,
does it work (producing delineations and predicitions)
better than what I have previously been doing?
Well, whole sign did all that, for me, so I switched;
but I am not going to try to convince anyone of anything about it,
except for beginners
-to you who might just be starting out, I would say: try whole sign first,
and see how well it might work for you...
I don't know if whole sign houses is more accurate than other house systems, but it is very useful in reducing ambiguity in the chart. I use whole signs along with regiomontanus houses to get a more in depth look a the the chart with horary. And I use WS with placidus for natal and extensions of the natal, like progressions, transits, synastry.
dr. farr switched from Placidus after two or three decadesI am afraid I do not follow.
Could you say a bit to elucidate your point?
The most important factor for horoscopic astrologyDo you find this to be more accurate
in regards to natal, synastry and composite charts?
The most important factor for horoscopic astrology
is a reliable time of birth
so without a reliable time of birth
house system won't provide reliable aka "accurate" results
thanks for highlighting thatOfftopic, I am afraid
vedic houses :
the signs describe the nature of the terrain
how a planet will behave during transit etc,
the houses deal with the subject matter affected by the transit;
vedic houses are approximated for equal houses for ease,
treating the asc degree as the mid-point of the chart
the house extending by 15 deg on either side of the house,
which can be fine-tuned to the porphyry for more accuracy;
the forums somehouse do not use the vedic equal houses,
being satisfied with preliminary analysis and predictions;
free vedic softwares do provide for house charts
known as bhava/house charts available for reference;
best regards, kshantaram