Mercury in Virgo (2nd House)

Aaronmcc11

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In my natal chart I have Mercury in Virgo, in the 2nd house. You would think that this would suggest that I am a penny pincher with a flawlessly kept check register. The fact of the matter is that this couldn't be further from the truth. I've overdrawn my bank account so many times this year I can't even count how many, my finances are in shambles, and I am horrible at planning ahead when it comes to that area of my life. This has always been the case.. now in the past it was because I was out of a job for long lengths of time.. you can't spend what you don't have. I was also a habitual party-er which didn't help my financial situation. Over the past 6 years its mostly because I overextend myself to make sure my girlfriend has what she wants (eating out constantly, making trips to the coast every weekend) on top of the fact that I'm paying too much in gas and car payments for a truck I didn't exactly need to have (I could've got a cheaper, gas-efficient car).

So.. the point of my post is that the cookie cutter interpretation of this placement is not at all the story in my case.
Is it perhaps the fact that Uranus is squaring Mercury, creating an unstable influence, or is it my Jupiter-Neptune conjunction in the 5th that is besting my Mercurial skills of bookkeeping? Something else I'm not seeing?

Natal
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C0rnholio

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Your "money planet" Venus is conjunct Mercury, and both are afflicted by Uranus, which is bad for stability. The trine to Jupiter and Neptune adds some expansion, dreams and illusions to the picture. The money gets wasted unexpectedly and extravagantly.

You'd think planets in Virgo would be all about order, modesty, hygiene, and sefl-control. But when planets in Virgo are afflicted either natally or by transiting planets the opposite may become true. The Virgo starts to think that everything that it tries to control and labor on just won't come out perfect no matter what. It loses its motivation and completely gives up. It stops all its efforts to make things better, and wouldn't even bother trying.

Additionally, your Moon in 7th is hooked on relationships. You are trying to keep them no matter what the costs are.

Sorry for all the bad news and negative interpretations. But now you could google these aspects and figure out what you can do about them. Good luck.
 
C0rnholio

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BTW, you have quite a colorful chart with several planets in Dominant signs, and in Fall signs. Do not give up. A strong Mercury should help you figure things out. The NN in the 10th house says you should become successful. Also a Leo Sun on the Ascendant probably looks quite spectacular at times too.
 
Aaronmcc11

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So is it usually the case that successfully cultivating the positive qualities of a placement tends to decrease the negative expressions?

C0rnholio said:
Sorry for all the bad news and negative interpretations.
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No problem.. it's old news to me.. I just haven't been able to really see the positive potentials thus far.

C0rnholio said:
BTW, you have quite a colorful chart with several planets in Dominant signs, and in Fall signs. Do not give up. A strong Mercury should help you figure things out. The NN in the 10th house says you should become successful. Also a Leo Sun on the Ascendant probably looks quite spectacular at times too.
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Thanks..
I am pretty grateful for my chart.. I am grateful for the life I've been given. I have some good things and some bad things about me but at least I can see them pretty clearly.. most of the things that "happen" to me happen inside me.. I think that is pretty clearly shown by every planet in my chart being below the horizon, with the exception of the Moon. So, it's good because I have done so much internal work on myself and made a great many travels in my mind.. however its bad because it can be hard for me to really live in the outside world as an effective adult. Sometimes the anxiety of having to deal with external issues is unbearable and so I've always been somewhat of an escape artist.

PS: Were you in the Myspace Horoscopic Astrology group? I seem to remember your screen name or avatar. I was in that group about 6 years ago.
 
C0rnholio

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Aaronmcc11 said:
So is it usually the case that successfully cultivating the positive qualities of a placement tends to decrease the negative expressions?
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Yes. Imagine that you have a Uranus - Mercury/Venus sextile. Read up on that sextile and try to make it work. There is a great potential in that.

Use your strong planets more, such as your Sun and Mars.

Stay away from the South Note activities and work towards your North Node. Working towards and developing your North Node is what generally brings satisfaction in life.

PS: Were you in the Myspace Horoscopic Astrology group? I seem to remember your screen name or avatar. I was in that group about 6 years ago.
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Nope, sorry. I didn't know much about astro charts back then.
 
C0rnholio

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BTW, your Saturn Return is coming next year. It's going to be tough if you haven't been a good (i.e. responsible) boy. Dig in and hold your position, learn the lesson and watch yourself become stronger and better. A good part is that once it's over you will have a new cycle of life and new opportunities.
 
astrologer50

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Aaronmcc11 said:
In my natal chart I have Mercury in Virgo, in the 2nd house. You would think that this would suggest that I am a penny pincher [WHY? yes if saturn were there maybe ] with a flawlessly kept check register. The fact of the matter is that this couldn't be further from the truth. I've overdrawn my bank account so many times this year I can't even count how many, my finances are in shambles, and I am horrible at planning ahead when it comes to that area of my life. This has always been the case.. now in the past it was because I was out of a job for long lengths of time.. you can't spend what you don't have. I was also a habitual party-er which didn't help my financial situation. Over the past 6 years its mostly because I overextend myself to make sure my girlfriend has what she wants (eating out constantly, making trips to the coast every weekend) on top of the fact that I'm paying too much in gas and car payments for a truck I didn't exactly need to have (I could've got a cheaper, gas-efficient car).

So.. the point of my post is that the cookie cutter interpretation of this placement is not at all the story in my case. [at age 27 now your prog sun will be 16' Virgo conj 2nd house cusp and this will make your more aware of 2nd house issues, like how you earn and spend your money]

Is it perhaps the fact that Uranus is squaring Mercury, creating an unstable influence, or is it my Jupiter-Neptune conjunction in the 5th that is besting my Mercurial skills of bookkeeping? Something else I'm not seeing?

Natal
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can you poss repost using astro.com free charts as the aspect grid is missing the it's unclear..

mercury is not aspecting jupiter/neptune although alone these two can suggest getting carried away on recreational matters/5th house..

mercury square uranus addds argumentativeness and flashes of insight but it's whether you can ground and do anything with them that counts...

Ruler of the Tenth House in the First House
An authority figure or perhaps your father had a strong influence on your outlook on life. You could have a strong desire to be your own boss, or your ability to be a strong authority figure is easily perceived by others.
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/houserulerships.htm#hr10
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with ruler of 2nd in 2nd shows you place high value on what possessions and material things bring you..and increase your self worth accordingly.

Also let's not forget your approaching Saturn return

Saturn Return
Saturn takes 30 years or so to complete its circuit around the zodiac so events that occur around the age of 29-30, 58-59 and 84-87 will be of great significance to the native, depending on the strength and aspects to natal saturn.
http://www.newage-directory.com/saturn.html
http://www.astrologycom.com/saturn.html
http://www.saturnreturn.net/what_is.html
http://www.examiner.com/x-2766-Atlan...-Saturn-return
http://www.lynnkoiner.com/astrology-articles/dysfunctional-saturn
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/saturn.html
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/saturn_att.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_return
http://www.newage-directory.com/saturn.html
http://astrology.about.com/od/advanc...turnReturn.htm
http://www.aquariuspapers.com/astrol...turn_retu.html
http://rudhyar.com/beautyofaging.shtml
http://www.insiderreports.com/storyp...oryID=20011993
http://ancientsky.com/index.php?opti...d=25&Itemid=49
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=...m=10&ct=result
http://www.lifescript.com/Soul/Horos...aking_Out.aspx
http://www.ancientsky.com/parker/parker_2ndSaturn.htm
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=11903
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ead.php?t=5884
http://www.bemyastrologer.com/saturn..._in_virgo.html
 
astrologer50

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I use Equal House system (where each cusp is same as Ascendant) and am a modern astrologer. Lots of newcomers come into Astrology/forums and get a free chart from www.astro.com and the default ‘house system’ used is Placidus and think that’s just the norm and all there is……..BUT that is just the tip of the iceberg. You can change the default on astro.com in Extended Chart selection to Equal house and a few others if you wish to experiment…..

So in Equal house Transiting Saturn is around 15' Libra going through your 2nd house
Saturn is the Lord of Karma and master teacher, but really he's trying to teach us about ourselves. It wants us to be responsible, hard working, dutiful and learn our Lessons properly, so they won't have to keep being repeated. Therefore, is usually suggests things slowing down, delays, limitations and restrictions so we can learn these Lessons.

What Saturn does is 'test' what is of value to you and what is working in your life. It wants structure and hard work. If something isn't working--- it may well end--- so something better can be put in it's place.

so Saturn's Lessons here are to do with *what is of value to you* and testing you how much you can earn and spend, to live within your expenditure...:w00t:

T Neptune has been for a while transiting 8th house joint finances. T Uranus has been/is squaring natal jupiter, be careful of get rich quick schemes

Having the ruler of 6th in 4th suggests you can work from home of have a second income possibly connnected to property of an older relative even..
 
Aaronmcc11

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Here's my natal chart with current transits and progressions (+ Natal Aspect grid).
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My dad died around his Saturn Return.. I intend to fare better with mine.
On a lighter note, transiting Mars is in my 12th right now and I've been investing a lot of energy into Dreamwork (Dream recall, keeping a journal, practicing lucid dream induction methods, etc) with amazing results. I feel like it's a healthy and practical way to bridge the gap between my ego and my unconscious or shadow.

Cafe astrology says, regarding a Mercury/Uranus square, "Your attention span can be short, and as a result, you might often leave projects unfinished." I laughed out loud at this.. because I have about 700 unfinished projects around my apartment and also in my head.

It also says "...if you are not absolutely inspired, you don't feel right working on a project--you might feel that you are "faking" it, and this doesn't sit well for you. The problem is that in life there are always going to be routine tasks to complete, things we have to do that don't entirely suit our interests, and so forth."

I have always disdained routine tasks.. so maybe this is something I can work on to help bring this into a more positive mode of expression.. kind of like the Buddhist's say: "Wash the dishes when you wash the dishes".
 
C0rnholio

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BTW, I have squares to my Mercury from Uranus and Mars. The biggest drawback to me is a lack of sleep, staying up late, which I think comes from Mars. When Uranus is bothering my Mercury I think it either speeds up or pulls on the brake. My Mercury is in Cancer. Yours, in Virgo, probably prefers to freak out.

Oh yeah, and there is nothing more boring and draining than routine tasks that do not require much of mental involvement.
 
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Aaronmcc11

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That's a hell of a Mars/Mercury square too! And for that matter a hell of a T-Square..
How's that on the old nerves?
On top of that the Pluto sextile from the 12th.. whew.
 
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C0rnholio said:
BTW, I have squares to my Mercury from Uranus and Mars. The biggest drawback to me is a lack of sleep, staying up late, which I think comes from Mars. When Uranus is bothering my Mercury I think it either speeds up or pulls on the brake. My Mercury is in Cancer. Yours, in Virgo, probably prefers to freak out.

Oh yeah, and there is nothing more boring and draining than routine tasks that do not require much of mental involvement.
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could be worse, could have been a Grand square

I've heard of hard aspects to moon/mercury can be linked to sleep problems, but this is the first time I've heard of mars/mercury squ. I notice you have chiron squ mercury and pluto squ MC, which I have these two also. How do you feel these two play out?
 
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Aaronmcc11 said:
Here's my natal chart with current transits and progressions (+ Natal Aspect grid).
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My dad died around his Saturn Return.. I intend to fare better with mine.[as there is NO death signature worth relying on, you'll be fine....]

Cafe astrology says, regarding a Mercury/Uranus square, "Your attention span can be short, and as a result, you might often leave projects unfinished." I laughed out loud at this.. because I have about 700 unfinished projects around my apartment and also in my head. [it can give loads of inspiration, ideas, flashes *but* it's whether you can do anything with them, like I said earlier]
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I don't feel the mercury trine jupiter at 9' separating is valid. I tend to reduce the orb ration down to 85% to bring them more in line with mainstream orbs..

your mercury sextile saturn shows you can exercise caution and restraint with spending habits. I notice your prog Asc has been conj natal venus, this can suggest wanting to 'appear' more venusian ie; well dressed, colour co ordinated etc and do this you have to spend money on it...

T Pluto conj Jupiter
This is a time when your philosophy of life may be in a state of breakdown and decay. You know that something is not right but often have a hard time articulating it. You may have to deal with corruption on some level, either in your standards or in the standards set by the institutions you are involved with. Religious fanaticism, extremist views or propaganda surround you. Ethics and morality may preoccupy your thoughts.
http://www.astrology-x-files.com/transits/pluto-cj-jupiter.html
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Aaronmcc11

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astrologer50 said:
I don't feel the mercury trine jupiter at 9' separating is valid. I tend to reduce the orb ration down to 85% to bring them more in line with mainstream orbs..

your mercury sextile saturn shows you can exercise caution and restraint with spending habits. I notice your prog Asc has been conj natal venus, this can suggest wanting to 'appear' more venusian ie; well dressed, colour co ordinated etc and do this you have to spend money on it...
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Yes, I don't consider mercury and jupiter to be aspected either.

Would transiting jupiter opposed to natal saturn play a part in the financial misjudgement as well?

I feel like I've learned my lesson in any case and I am in the process of doing some better planning for the future.
 
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Aaronmcc11 said:
Yes, I don't consider mercury and jupiter to be aspected either.

Would transiting jupiter opposed to natal saturn play a part in the financial misjudgement as well?

I feel like I've learned my lesson in any case and I am in the process of doing some better planning for the future.
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jupiter wants to expand and have a go, saturn says, hey wait you have work next day and need to save for a rainy day. It creates a 'see-saw' effect. Shall I, shan't I type of thing.....
 
Aaronmcc11

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For 8 years I've used Placidus houses. Mainly because I felt that everything fit. However, with Equal Houses, everything thing is the same except my Mercury moves from the 2nd to the 1st and Saturn from the 4th to the 3rd.

Now with Mercury that definitely makes more sense to me, but Saturn is a little trickier to figure out.

What are some key differences between a 3rd house Saturn and a 4th house Saturn in Scorpio?
 
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Aaronmcc11 said:
For 8 years I've used Placidus houses. Mainly because I felt that everything fit. However, with Equal Houses, everything thing is the same except my Mercury moves from the 2nd to the 1st and Saturn from the 4th to the 3rd.

Now with Mercury that definitely makes more sense to me, but Saturn is a little trickier to figure out.

What are some key differences between a 3rd house Saturn and a 4th house Saturn in Scorpio?
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mercury would move, BUT it's within 5' orb of 2nd house cusp and is considered more effective in the next house along going anti clockwise.

Planets conjunct a house cusp
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=202304&postcount=7
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=205033#post205033
Planets conj House cusp
“Ascendant at 15’ Libra and Jupiter 13’ Libra. That would place Jupiter in the 12th house, right? But many thoughtful astrologers would read this as Jupiter being conjunction with Ascendant, and end up reading it as bringing its action to bear in the first house, rather than in the 12th.
This same idea would apply for each and every house cusp. If the planet is IN THE SAME SIGN as the sign on the next house cusp, and close enough to be CONJUNCT WITH that next house cusp, the action of the planet will be directed into oncoming house”
http://www.astrology-numerology.com/inhouses.html
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14887
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=125412&postcount=4


Saturn in the 3rd house
· Serious and penetrating mind. Capable of deep concentration. Keen sense of justice, early life apt to be unhappy.
· Once apart from his relatives may well feel no sense of kinship/family with them.
· Tendency to despondency and depression needs overcoming.
· Education possibly interrupted, but individual is an "eternal student." Will go on seeking knowledge the whole life. Apt to cling to the known and familiar due to unrecognised fear of new situations.
· Loneliness in childhood that needs understanding in later years.
· Lungs not strong here and Saturn says "Don't smoke." Saturn operates in the early life (ages 7 to 18).
· These people have structured and methodical minds well fitted to solving practical problems. Lack of confidence, however, may restrict full use of the imagination, and can hinder academic success. Slow at learning basic education (blockage)
· Possibly only child or eldest and felt they had to take responsibility for siblings
· They will judge their ideas according to their usefulness. Good for publishers or teaching. Make a good accountant and will be cautious about signing papers. Much use of telephone or letters in business.

Saturn in the 4th house
· Saturn here operates in the latter part of life when its negative aspects are much harder to take. In the roots of the being a selfishness that must be broken up or the dues will be collected in the latter part of life.
· Can gain through real estate and land.
· Possibility of trouble with indigestion due to emotions. The ulcer type.
· Often strong mother complex and a tendency to cling to the past.
· Needs to get away from home in order to get over psychological bias. Appears independent but fears to leave home. Will be happier away from the place of birth.
· Domestic responsibilities or difficulties are likely.
· In childhood these may be the result of others` actions, but adults invariably attract these commitments.
· There is a need for domestic security ‑ often provided by physical ties. Will take great pains to make a secure home
· They would probably have to take on heavy ­responsibilities from an early age and may have had to struggle for domestic security and will work very hard to provide for your home and family. May have experienced poverty as a child

 
C0rnholio

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I like this thread. Just want to keep it alive.

Aaron, I think it could be your Moon that is driving you crazy, not your Mercury. What do you think?

I notice that my hard Mercury aspects are simply stimulating. Sometimes overly so, but never too overboard. Or maybe my Cancer Mercury is simply self-regulating, shutting out the outside world when needed, unlike a Virgo Mercury?
 
Aaronmcc11

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C0rnholio said:
I like this thread. Just want to keep it alive.

Aaron, I think it could be your Moon that is driving you crazy, not your Mercury. What do you think?

I notice that my hard Mercury aspects are simply stimulating. Sometimes overly so, but never too overboard. Or maybe my Cancer Mercury is simply self-regulating, shutting out the outside world when needed, unlike a Virgo Mercury?
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Yeah.. I think that's a big part of it. My life is always fluctuating between my Sun-Moon polarity and until I find a way to balance that, neither side is satisfied. I struggle constantly to fulfill my own need for self-expression and individuality (Sun-Asc in Leo) and this seems to always be at cross purposes with the needs of my relationship (Moon in Aquarius/7th).
I refuse to be controlled in any way and ultimately I am pushed from within to let go of things which constrict me.. for the sake of freedom and self-expression. It's a great gift to be able to stand up on my own, but it also conflicts with my own need to belong.. to be taken care of. Arrrrg!!!
This conflict always come to a front when Mars transits my Asc-Sun/Moon configuration.

In the most simple terms.. "I need to be free, give me room to breathe, but don't go too far, and keep me under control.. but don't forget I need to be free." And so on ..

I think that one thing our Mercury positions would have in common is that they will operate best when we use our intellects in service of others or at least when we focus on the needs of others..
 
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