lillyjgc
Senior Member, Educational board Editor
Hello there.
Often I am asked to provide long term projections based on horary charts- for example, the old *Will we stay/get (whatever)together for the long term*-Marriage questions for example are based on this concept.Also questions such as *will I ever have children/get married/be rich etc etc etc ...I baulk at those questions, because lets face it, forever is a long time (!)...and I have trouble *predicting* immediate/short term events!
I have been asking myself *How do I know how long this chart will be valid for?* It's come up on the forum lately, with some saying a chart is valid for 3 months, some saying six months, a year etc....a range of opinions have been expressed...I've been wondering on what basis have these figures been arrived at? The three month idea makes sense because seasons last 3 months and I can see a natural correlation there....
It has just occurred to me that the logical time frame astrologically would be *the chart is valid until the significators change*.So for a long term forecast one would have to look at pairs of significators as they rotate on the wheel.
Let me give you an example:
As I look at a horary cast for tonight, right now...H1 and H7 are ruled by mars and venus respectively, so relationship or questions involving partners/enemies or *other* revolve around what mars and venus are doing (separating from a trine at the moment actually)......
The ascendant sign is scorpio-at 23.44. In roughly *7* somethings the sign of sagittarius will be rising- sag's planetary partner being Gemini-Mercury.
If you look at what jupiter and mercury are going to be doing to one another, you see they are applying to a sextile.So you could possibly advise the querent that *things will improve in terms of the 7th house/first house type questions. but only after *quite a lot of time has passed and quite a few other things have happened*...
You would then look at the next set of planetary partners-capricorn and cancer- thus Saturn and the moon, and we know that Saturn is a malefic and retrograde at the moment etc and the moon becomes a key factor, a catalyst for change.
And thus we would continue....Its an arduous process, but yields a lot of information and I guess you could project as far into the future as you were prepared to go, using this method.
Symbolic Time
In horary this is used a great deal-but some events do play out in *real time*-always difficult to be sure which way it will go....I use the term *somethings* to describe increments of time, because a fixed sign can indicate years or months or even weeks, depending on the context of the question....as we know...
For example-:A horary question I asked 4 years ago recently came to fruition, so to speak.
Scorpio was on the ascendant when I asked...Fixed signs on the angles...(yes! it was a *will he call me* question-He did four years later!-in *4 somethings* like the chart suggested)
Another time my dog went missing and the horary said she'd come back in *7 somethings*...mutable signs on the angles etc-she came back in seven minutes of me asking the question...So timing is very difficult....
Does anyone have any insights about this subject? I would be interested to hear of any methods used to determine time frames for outcomes.
Cheers, Lillyjgc
Often I am asked to provide long term projections based on horary charts- for example, the old *Will we stay/get (whatever)together for the long term*-Marriage questions for example are based on this concept.Also questions such as *will I ever have children/get married/be rich etc etc etc ...I baulk at those questions, because lets face it, forever is a long time (!)...and I have trouble *predicting* immediate/short term events!
I have been asking myself *How do I know how long this chart will be valid for?* It's come up on the forum lately, with some saying a chart is valid for 3 months, some saying six months, a year etc....a range of opinions have been expressed...I've been wondering on what basis have these figures been arrived at? The three month idea makes sense because seasons last 3 months and I can see a natural correlation there....
It has just occurred to me that the logical time frame astrologically would be *the chart is valid until the significators change*.So for a long term forecast one would have to look at pairs of significators as they rotate on the wheel.
Let me give you an example:
As I look at a horary cast for tonight, right now...H1 and H7 are ruled by mars and venus respectively, so relationship or questions involving partners/enemies or *other* revolve around what mars and venus are doing (separating from a trine at the moment actually)......
The ascendant sign is scorpio-at 23.44. In roughly *7* somethings the sign of sagittarius will be rising- sag's planetary partner being Gemini-Mercury.
If you look at what jupiter and mercury are going to be doing to one another, you see they are applying to a sextile.So you could possibly advise the querent that *things will improve in terms of the 7th house/first house type questions. but only after *quite a lot of time has passed and quite a few other things have happened*...
You would then look at the next set of planetary partners-capricorn and cancer- thus Saturn and the moon, and we know that Saturn is a malefic and retrograde at the moment etc and the moon becomes a key factor, a catalyst for change.
And thus we would continue....Its an arduous process, but yields a lot of information and I guess you could project as far into the future as you were prepared to go, using this method.
Symbolic Time
In horary this is used a great deal-but some events do play out in *real time*-always difficult to be sure which way it will go....I use the term *somethings* to describe increments of time, because a fixed sign can indicate years or months or even weeks, depending on the context of the question....as we know...
For example-:A horary question I asked 4 years ago recently came to fruition, so to speak.
Scorpio was on the ascendant when I asked...Fixed signs on the angles...(yes! it was a *will he call me* question-He did four years later!-in *4 somethings* like the chart suggested)
Another time my dog went missing and the horary said she'd come back in *7 somethings*...mutable signs on the angles etc-she came back in seven minutes of me asking the question...So timing is very difficult....
Does anyone have any insights about this subject? I would be interested to hear of any methods used to determine time frames for outcomes.
Cheers, Lillyjgc