Trump Lost! *No memes*
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Dirius
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Infection rates are meaningless - its a fast spreading virus which will spread, like a cold. There isn't much anyone can do on this account. You can't go on lockdown forever.
The issue is death rate: the percentage of people which die from the disease, meaning, how states respond to control the pandemic with treatment and isolation.
Let me ask you something: if 100% of the population went on lockdown (which is the only way to stop the spread of the disease) how would you produce food, water, energy, etc.?
Infection rates are meaningless - its a fast spreading virus which will spread, like a cold. There isn't much anyone can do on this account. You can't go on lockdown forever.
The issue is death rate: the percentage of people which die from the disease, meaning, how states respond to control the pandemic with treatment and isolation.
Let me ask you something: if 100% of the population went on lockdown (which is the only way to stop the spread of the disease) how would you produce food, water, energy, etc.?
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That's correct. More cases due to high contagion rate but less deaths now, almost less than 1% mortality rate.
The deaths came in the summer, mainly in NY & other Democrat cities.
Coronavirus death toll is heavily concentrated in Democratic congressional districts
A new Pew Research Center analysis of data on official reports of COVID-19 deaths, collected by the Johns Hopkins University Center for Systems Science and Engineering, finds that, nearly a quarter of all the deaths in the United States attributed to the coronavirus have been in just 12 congressional districts – all located in New York City and represented by Democrats in Congress.
btw....it's the bureaucrats who decided what is an 'essential' business. The Dems decided that mass rioting/looting all summer was 'essential' & no masks needed.....but people couldn't attend religious institutions or meet their grandparents. But they could go to liquor stores, cannabis outlets which were deemed 'essential' services'.
The Supreme Court ruled against the moron Cuomo, who killed more covid patients than anyone else & refused to allow people to gather with social distancing for their faith. Cuomo lost & democracy won!
In a 5-4 ruling, Supreme Court sides with religious groups in a dispute over Covid-19 restrictions in New York
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/26/politics/supreme-court-religious-restrictions-ruling-covid/index.html
That's correct. More cases due to high contagion rate but less deaths now, almost less than 1% mortality rate.
The deaths came in the summer, mainly in NY & other Democrat cities.
Coronavirus death toll is heavily concentrated in Democratic congressional districts
A new Pew Research Center analysis of data on official reports of COVID-19 deaths, collected by the Johns Hopkins University Center for Systems Science and Engineering, finds that, nearly a quarter of all the deaths in the United States attributed to the coronavirus have been in just 12 congressional districts – all located in New York City and represented by Democrats in Congress.
btw....it's the bureaucrats who decided what is an 'essential' business. The Dems decided that mass rioting/looting all summer was 'essential' & no masks needed.....but people couldn't attend religious institutions or meet their grandparents. But they could go to liquor stores, cannabis outlets which were deemed 'essential' services'.
The Supreme Court ruled against the moron Cuomo, who killed more covid patients than anyone else & refused to allow people to gather with social distancing for their faith. Cuomo lost & democracy won!
In a 5-4 ruling, Supreme Court sides with religious groups in a dispute over Covid-19 restrictions in New York
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/26/politics/supreme-court-religious-restrictions-ruling-covid/index.html
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Trump lawyers expected the cases to be thrown out in the lower courts.
SCOTUS & the state election officials will decide who won the swing states of PA, AZ, GA & MI.
The Constitution is not based on a 'theory' but the Highest Law in the land.
Trump lawyers expected the cases to be thrown out in the lower courts.
SCOTUS & the state election officials will decide who won the swing states of PA, AZ, GA & MI.
The Constitution is not based on a 'theory' but the Highest Law in the land.
CapAquaPis
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The CCP announced their "evident" theory COVID-19 originated in Spain, Italy or France between March and June 2019, then arrived in Spain before Sep. or during the Military World Games in Oct. which happened to be held in Wuhan. China isn't the only country known for a history of novel or ancient coronavirus origins (SARS-1 was discovered in China in 2003), southern Europe (the Cro-Magnons thought to originated there had exposure to a feline version of SARS-1 in the last ice age) and the Middle East (MERS began there). Trump continues to blame China for "intentionally spreading COVID and keeping it secret to the world" and sometimes, he says inflammatory statements about the Chinese as a people and the CCP, despite China warned the world back in Jan and Feb.
The CCP announced their "evident" theory COVID-19 originated in Spain, Italy or France between March and June 2019, then arrived in Spain before Sep. or during the Military World Games in Oct. which happened to be held in Wuhan. China isn't the only country known for a history of novel or ancient coronavirus origins (SARS-1 was discovered in China in 2003), southern Europe (the Cro-Magnons thought to originated there had exposure to a feline version of SARS-1 in the last ice age) and the Middle East (MERS began there). Trump continues to blame China for "intentionally spreading COVID and keeping it secret to the world" and sometimes, he says inflammatory statements about the Chinese as a people and the CCP, despite China warned the world back in Jan and Feb.
Osamenor
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What does that have to do with this thread? No one's posted any chart in it.
What does that have to do with this thread? No one's posted any chart in it.
david starling
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Blame it on the full Moon!
What does that have to do with this thread? No one's posted any chart in it.
Blame it on the full Moon!
david starling
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Why have so many other countries done so much better?
Also, do you approve of the U.S. government using taxpayer dollars to fund the vaccine r&d? Wouldn't you consider that "socialism"?
Why have so many other countries done so much better?
Also, do you approve of the U.S. government using taxpayer dollars to fund the vaccine r&d? Wouldn't you consider that "socialism"?
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david starling
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Trump complained that the voting machines must have been somehow rigged in Obama's favor in 2012.
In 2016, he considered that they were fair, accurate, and above suspicion.
In 2020, he considers them to have been manipulated on a vast scale, but is for some reason finding that impossible to prove in court.
Notice the pattern?
Trump complained that the voting machines must have been somehow rigged in Obama's favor in 2012.
In 2016, he considered that they were fair, accurate, and above suspicion.
In 2020, he considers them to have been manipulated on a vast scale, but is for some reason finding that impossible to prove in court.
Notice the pattern?
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Dirius
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Because the countries that did better actually implemented very loose restrictions, with only focalised quarentines and massive testing. Excluding all the "small" island nations (Taiwan, Singapore, New Zealand, Ice Land, etc.), which have very small populations and physical barriers.
Countries such as Sweden, Australia, South Korea, etc. implemented minimal lockdowns that didn't last for long, and did not bankrupt their economies in the process.
It is socialism - every measure in this pandemic taken by almost every nation, from funding a vaccine to implementing lock-downs, is the government telling its citizens what to do, without the backing of the law. It is the very definition of communism.
By your logic, the U.S. has "failed" to control the pandemic by using communist policies. These are particularly prevalent in blue states.
Because the countries that did better actually implemented very loose restrictions, with only focalised quarentines and massive testing. Excluding all the "small" island nations (Taiwan, Singapore, New Zealand, Ice Land, etc.), which have very small populations and physical barriers.
Countries such as Sweden, Australia, South Korea, etc. implemented minimal lockdowns that didn't last for long, and did not bankrupt their economies in the process.
It is socialism - every measure in this pandemic taken by almost every nation, from funding a vaccine to implementing lock-downs, is the government telling its citizens what to do, without the backing of the law. It is the very definition of communism.
By your logic, the U.S. has "failed" to control the pandemic by using communist policies. These are particularly prevalent in blue states.
waybread
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Not so.
One wonders how these rumors get started. Shame on Trump and his fake news machine for lying to those millions of people who did vote for him.
All of the court cases filed by Trump's legal team to date have been thrown out by the judges due to lack of evidence, including judges appointed by Trump.
All elections in the US to date have a small margin of error. A history of recounts-- including in this election-- shows that unless the race is extremely close, the recount will shift some votes around, but not enough to swing the election.
Not so.
One wonders how these rumors get started. Shame on Trump and his fake news machine for lying to those millions of people who did vote for him.
All of the court cases filed by Trump's legal team to date have been thrown out by the judges due to lack of evidence, including judges appointed by Trump.
All elections in the US to date have a small margin of error. A history of recounts-- including in this election-- shows that unless the race is extremely close, the recount will shift some votes around, but not enough to swing the election.
waybread
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Cary, Blackbery, et al., you completely misunderstand why 80 million Americans (the majority) did vote for Biden. After several years of Trump's lies, chaos, divisiveness, narcissism, and ignorance, they wanted a steady hand at the tiller. Not the Mad King.
Biden isn't a glamorous or charismatic figure. He doesn't have to be. Believe it or not, most rational adults are not interested in putting on goofy hats, jamming into a stadium, and screaming "Build that wall!" at a Trump rally.
I note that Biden's strategy of appealing to moderate Republicans and independents was successful. Believe it or don't, but many conservatives cannot stand Trump's cult of personality, his dangerous ignorance of foreign affairs, and his treating the executive branch like The Apprentice.
What was less successful was the left wing of the Democratic party (Thanks, Uncle Bernie.)
You have severely misrepresented people whom you clearly do not care to understand.
BTW, QAnon is a debunked conspiracy theory.
Cary, Blackbery, et al., you completely misunderstand why 80 million Americans (the majority) did vote for Biden. After several years of Trump's lies, chaos, divisiveness, narcissism, and ignorance, they wanted a steady hand at the tiller. Not the Mad King.
Biden isn't a glamorous or charismatic figure. He doesn't have to be. Believe it or not, most rational adults are not interested in putting on goofy hats, jamming into a stadium, and screaming "Build that wall!" at a Trump rally.
I note that Biden's strategy of appealing to moderate Republicans and independents was successful. Believe it or don't, but many conservatives cannot stand Trump's cult of personality, his dangerous ignorance of foreign affairs, and his treating the executive branch like The Apprentice.
What was less successful was the left wing of the Democratic party (Thanks, Uncle Bernie.)
You have severely misrepresented people whom you clearly do not care to understand.
BTW, QAnon is a debunked conspiracy theory.
tikana
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Pennsylvania – November 23
Arizona – November 30
Georgia – November 20
Michigan – November 23
All 4 are dark blue = certified states
Wisconsin and Arizona just certified Biden's win.
like i said lets wait till dec 14.
Trump lawyers expected the cases to be thrown out in the lower courts.
SCOTUS & the state election officials will decide who won the swing states of PA, AZ, GA & MI.
The Constitution is not based on a 'theory' but the Highest Law in the land.
Pennsylvania – November 23
Arizona – November 30
Georgia – November 20
Michigan – November 23
All 4 are dark blue = certified states
Wisconsin and Arizona just certified Biden's win.
like i said lets wait till dec 14.
Dirius
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If there is no fraud, then Biden would only come out stronger after an audit.
I mean - no republican or Trump supporter could question that Biden is the president, if the audit turns out to show there was no fraud. It would also make Trump look bad.
Shouldn't then Biden supporters be, alongise Trump supporters, promoting a full election audit?
If there is no fraud, then Biden would only come out stronger after an audit.
I mean - no republican or Trump supporter could question that Biden is the president, if the audit turns out to show there was no fraud. It would also make Trump look bad.
Shouldn't then Biden supporters be, alongise Trump supporters, promoting a full election audit?
waybread
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Blackbery, Cary, et al.
Please believe that most of what you claim is bogus, fictitious, erroneous, wrong, mistaken, fantastical, and completely lacking in hard evidence.
Wild rumors start on social media, Trump pours gasoline on the flames, right-wing nut jobs like Alex Jones promote outright fabrications, and irrational people believe them.
Trump lost the election. Something like 33 states have already certified their election results.
Think about this: many down-ballot Republican candidates did just fine, notably in state legislatures and governors' races. If you had the power to disallow election results, these wins would be thrown out, as well.
Think about this: many state governors and secretaries of state who superintend elections are Republicans who voted for Trump.
Time to stop drinking the Trump Kool-Aid and to wake up and smell the coffee.
Blackbery, Cary, et al.
Please believe that most of what you claim is bogus, fictitious, erroneous, wrong, mistaken, fantastical, and completely lacking in hard evidence.
Wild rumors start on social media, Trump pours gasoline on the flames, right-wing nut jobs like Alex Jones promote outright fabrications, and irrational people believe them.
Trump lost the election. Something like 33 states have already certified their election results.
Think about this: many down-ballot Republican candidates did just fine, notably in state legislatures and governors' races. If you had the power to disallow election results, these wins would be thrown out, as well.
Think about this: many state governors and secretaries of state who superintend elections are Republicans who voted for Trump.
Time to stop drinking the Trump Kool-Aid and to wake up and smell the coffee.
waybread
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Here's the way it works in the US.
Voting procedures, under the Constitution, are under the control of the individual states. Their procedures are spelled out in state laws.
Audits and recounts can and do happen. In some states it is automatic if the final tally is within a very slim margin. Other states allow them at the request of the losing candidate. As in Wisconsin, typically the losing candidate or party has to pay for the recount, because someone has to pay the poll workers for their time, &c. The cost in Wisconsin for just two counties was $3 million.
It's not worth it just to have a costly pie-in-the-sky audit or recount when there is virtually no chance that the results will be different.
None of the judges hearing lawsuits launched by Trump's legal team has even agreed to let them proceed to court, because there simply is no credible evidence of fraud in the lawyers' documents. That's 27 thrown-out cases so far.
They strike most sensible people as simply nuisance filings.
Then under the Electoral College system the popular vote is converted into a fixed number of electors based upon the size of the states' congressional delegation, which is based on population.
Even Trump is not claiming he wants a recount in "blue" states like Oregon and New York.
Incidentally Biden attracted a huge share of ballots from voters who know the covid-19 pandemic is real, and that simply "opening up the economy" before it is tamed will kill a lot of people.
Here's the way it works in the US.
Voting procedures, under the Constitution, are under the control of the individual states. Their procedures are spelled out in state laws.
Audits and recounts can and do happen. In some states it is automatic if the final tally is within a very slim margin. Other states allow them at the request of the losing candidate. As in Wisconsin, typically the losing candidate or party has to pay for the recount, because someone has to pay the poll workers for their time, &c. The cost in Wisconsin for just two counties was $3 million.
It's not worth it just to have a costly pie-in-the-sky audit or recount when there is virtually no chance that the results will be different.
None of the judges hearing lawsuits launched by Trump's legal team has even agreed to let them proceed to court, because there simply is no credible evidence of fraud in the lawyers' documents. That's 27 thrown-out cases so far.
They strike most sensible people as simply nuisance filings.
Then under the Electoral College system the popular vote is converted into a fixed number of electors based upon the size of the states' congressional delegation, which is based on population.
Even Trump is not claiming he wants a recount in "blue" states like Oregon and New York.
Incidentally Biden attracted a huge share of ballots from voters who know the covid-19 pandemic is real, and that simply "opening up the economy" before it is tamed will kill a lot of people.
Dirius
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I'm sure all of the 70 million people who voted for Trump would be happy to donate money for such procedure, so it wouldn't really cost anything. In fact wouldn't it be funny to watch Trump supporters pay for the audit and then watch as Biden is inaugurated president?
We are in agreement: an audit would probably not change the results ... but it would certainly make Joe Biden look MUCH stronger, and it would shut-up Trump supporters for good. In fact if the audit fails to reveal any fraud, the Republican party is doomed for good.
So an election audit can only benefit Democrats and Joe Biden. Democrats should support the audit!
I'm sure all of the 70 million people who voted for Trump would be happy to donate money for such procedure, so it wouldn't really cost anything. In fact wouldn't it be funny to watch Trump supporters pay for the audit and then watch as Biden is inaugurated president?
We are in agreement: an audit would probably not change the results ... but it would certainly make Joe Biden look MUCH stronger, and it would shut-up Trump supporters for good. In fact if the audit fails to reveal any fraud, the Republican party is doomed for good.
So an election audit can only benefit Democrats and Joe Biden. Democrats should support the audit!
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tikana
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one that put 2 million dollars in helping DT to reverse and fight elections wants his money back.
I'm sure all of the 70 million people who voted for Trump would be happy to donate money for such procedure, so it wouldn't really cost anything. In fact wouldn't it be funny to watch Trump supporters pay for the audit and then watch as Biden is inaugurated president?
We are in agreement: an audit would probably not change the results ... but it would certainly make Joe Biden look MUCH stronger, and it would shut-up Trump supporters for good. In fact if the audit fails to reveal any fraud, the Republican party is doomed for good.
So an election audit can only benefit Democrats and Joe Biden. Democrats should support the audit!
one that put 2 million dollars in helping DT to reverse and fight elections wants his money back.
Dirius
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Then all of the Republican's lies would be exposed. They would loose millions of supporters, and your country would be able to finally heal under the good rule of the wise democrats.
You should support an audit! It would cost you nothing, and it would help heal your country!
Exactly! Imagine if every single Trump supporter donated to the election audit, only to see there was no fraud.one that put 2 million dollars in helping DT to reverse and fight elections wants his money back.
Then all of the Republican's lies would be exposed. They would loose millions of supporters, and your country would be able to finally heal under the good rule of the wise democrats.
You should support an audit! It would cost you nothing, and it would help heal your country!
david starling
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They would just say the audit was "somehow" rigged.
Dirius, if you could have voted in the U.S., would you have voted Libertarian? She received over 1.8 million votes across the country, which is excellent for a third-party candidate.
In the tight-race swing-States, she got enough votes from Republicans and Trump-preferring independents, who had been fooled into thinking that Trump "couldn't possibly lose, no matter what", to enable Biden to win.
But if you lived in California, where Biden really couldn't lose, or in Red States where Trump really couldn't lose, you could have voted Libertarian just to show where you stand, and to make a point for the Libertarian philosophy.
They would just say the audit was "somehow" rigged.
Dirius, if you could have voted in the U.S., would you have voted Libertarian? She received over 1.8 million votes across the country, which is excellent for a third-party candidate.
In the tight-race swing-States, she got enough votes from Republicans and Trump-preferring independents, who had been fooled into thinking that Trump "couldn't possibly lose, no matter what", to enable Biden to win.
But if you lived in California, where Biden really couldn't lose, or in Red States where Trump really couldn't lose, you could have voted Libertarian just to show where you stand, and to make a point for the Libertarian philosophy.
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