piercethevale
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Well, I guess that I overlooked that Saturn to Moon aspect but a Saturn square Moon?
Let me quote the opening paragraph from Sakoian and Acker's book that I mentioned above on relationships.
"In this very difficult and emotionally restrictive comparative combination, one of the natives is often an emotional and/or financial burden on the other. In some cases, there will be a neurotic mutual dependency."
The authors go on to say that the relationship is often the result of family obligations or of a matter of necessity concerning wealth and that the relationships end up being mired in "drudgery" and often a "lack of emotional freedom" for one, or the other, or both persons.
They then go on to say that the two people; "....tend to amplify each others' fears and remind one another of past relationships."
...sound familiar?
They also wrote that this is very bad for business relationships as each will have a tendency to encourage negative attitudes and block each others "creative initiative" with a "it won't work" attitude.
"The career and status ambitions and responsibilities of the Saturn individual tend to conflict with the family and domestic concerns of the Moon individual."
The authors then wrote of the Saturn party usually getting so involved with their career as to become an outsider to their own family.
"In general, the natives tend to have an oppressive, emotionally stifling influence on each other. This can result from excessive severity in the Saturn individual or excessive dependency in the Moon individual, or both."
They then proceed to really put down the Saturn individual by writing that the Saturn person has tendencies to become as like a "wet blanket effect" on the Moon individual and they have a tendency to "be overly severe" towards the other, and that, the two often "seek to control each other through guilt".
I don't believe that any Planet is of an inherent nature that is 'malefic'. In my humble opinion, I don't believe that God put anything in the Heavens that is intended to astrologically bring us harm. But Saturn does dish out the rewards of past karma, good and bad. The trouble is, is that most people have more bad than good karma, again, that is, in my humble opinion.
I haven't had, nor do I have, the time to really take a good look at and study your chart, so all of the above needs to be put into context as to what you know about astrology as in regard to your own natal chart and what you know of his, as well.
...and, yeah, I know what you mean about going out to the car to check on something. There were a couple of incidences where the woman jsut got right up and said that she would accompany me. The I had to come up with something as an excuse for the visit when I got to the car and I had to rely on the fact that I carry [or did until very recently] a small 'bronchial inhaler' as I was born with a touch of asthma [my mom did, and my sister does, have it severely...but that's not a 24/7 kind of thing for most folks as one ages the asthmatic conditions usually will become less and less of a problem...although they can come back with the onset of enter the very advanced years of age. my brother has it as well, and while not as severe as my mom did or my sister has, but bad enough, all the same in it's own right. Since the recent banning of all ephedrine based medications in the united States I down to a half bottle of the one I purchase about 2 or 3 years ago. So i would then tell the gal that it was for a couple of 'puffs' off of the inhaler being the reason for the visit and that I didn't want to reveal any physical shortcomings to her so soon [That, genuinely, usually came later if the we hit it off and ...well, I'm sure you get the idea. The Tubes had a song called, "What Do You Want From Life" and the last line of the song, being the end of a long chorus of what atypical American men want, is "A babys' arm holding an apple". Let's me just say that I ended up getting a mans' arm holding a pear.... but it's a really decent and adequate pear, so I'm not complaining.]
I think that those women that followed me to my car suspected that i might be doing drugs, especially some 20 to 30 years ago when the cocaine use/abuse was so rampant here in California. I think at least one of them was really let down that I wasn't going to the car for that reason.
...btw, my dad and his family are from Syracuse. I have a ton of relatives in Upstate New York... actually quite a few tons as you know Italian families tend to be, or used to, very large families and that almost as often as not meant around the waist lines as well. In snowy and very cold climes, people do end up cooped up indoors a lot and long winters, long nights and cold and lonely nights do create an situation that often compels some people to drink their way through the depression. I lived in Truckee, Calif. for 9 years and Truckee often is making the national news by being the coldest spot in the nation during the Fall and Spring, mostly, but once in a while in the midst of winter too. The coldest I ever had to endure there was the day it got to be -27* f.The last winter I spent there in 1983-4 the total snowfall for the year was 720 inches. Wiki states that it is "the 5th 'snowiest' city in the United States" and apparently that includes Alaska, as well. ...and if you go about six miles to the west and up anther 1300 feet, which you would have to as that is Donner Summit, the Sugar Bowl ski resort area the annual snowfall is so high that if I were to give you the figures you would take me to be feeding you some b.s.The only advantage of the Sierra Nevada mountains is that it rarely gets at all damp, the really cold days are way more often that not, very dry cold days...and the Sun does come out quite a bit. Truckee may come in registering , oh say, 15* for a low at night but then again turns out to be a sunny afternoon with temperatures over 80* or more in the Sun. Wikipedia states that "Truckee has a continental Mediterranean climate." I witnessed a lot of alcohol consumption in that town over the years but then again it has been mainly a town for ski enthusiasts and people on vacation like to :get their drink on" and skiers, on for the most part, are party animals, although situated right on the route of Interstate 80 and does get it's share of people that are just passing through and used to get quite a number of folks traveling to or from Reno before the Indian Casinos all but turned Reno into the sad shadow of what it used to be. When I moved there in December of 1975 the unincorporated town that it was had probably less than 5000 full time residents and it may have been more like 4000, but it had 19 bars, in the town alone...that doesn't include what all the areas' ski resorts had going for themselves back then. I had at least 5 or 6 friends over those 9 years that were bartenders. [Good money too, skiers are good tippers, in general.]
... as for the Sicilians, they are almost a race of people of their own. The Northern Italians certainly seem to think so, in general and the prejudice they have towards the Sicilians lessens more and more as one goes south on the peninsula. My fathers' parent were from Caserta, which is east by northeast of Naples and right on the Appian Way, thus we are what are known as in Italy as Neapolitans. Sophia Loren was of family lineage from Caserta, for example. {we're most likely related some how, considering the size of population and the geography of the region.} Of the 9 children in my fathers family, one got blue eyes. His sister Lucille, and they were the bluest eyes I've ever seen. What I'm saying is that there is a great mixture of ancient races, or sub-races, of Humanity that have mixed together in Italy over many centuries. While the united States is often called the "Melting Pot", Italy is know as the "Melting Pot" of Europe...and the Appian way and Naples were the hub of old world travel, trade and business. I may indeed be a mixture of all five races of mankind. [I am going to have a DNA analysis done soon for a few reasons of an esoteric astrological nature that is said by a few to exist, one of which is a bloodline that is "particularly susceptible to astrological conditions" that is said to exist in a certain DNA genome [if I'm using the word 'genome' correctly here?]
Yes, I've known many a Sicilian that does drink more than most Italians and a number of them were some , what I call, hard core drug abusers, mostly cocaine some tended towards other more stimulating substances, such as 'speed'...and 'I not saying' anything more than what I personally know from experience and you have to take it in the context that the greater number of them were also in that 5th snowiest city in the entire U.S. ...'I'm just saying'.
...they are also some of the warmest, friendliest people i've ever known and the few that i still know and keep in contact with are among those that I consider my closest and dearest friends and they will come through for me in times of personal trouble like no one else.
They are also very, very, family oriented...ifyaknowaddimean?
Have a great weekend!
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