edgar cayce's chart of Jesus

rahu

Banned
edgar Cayce was often near Jesus. he was Lucius bishop of Laodicea during the early church.
Edgar Cayce death chart shows arcturus conjunct to juno square to Jupiter rand opposed to mars. as the reading mentioned the soul goes to arcturus between earthly incarnation. so it seems Cayce passed over to arcturus after his last incarnation.

the symbols are coherent in these charts and claims.
rahu

past post minus the troll backwash.

Cayce’s healings , prescriptions and archeological/paranormal event verifications gives a objective level of connection. The brotherhood of light were said to be watching over the holy family. I assumed john the Baptist and jesus were intiated into the brotherhood in the great pyramid. These readings,to my mind, show that jesus was in fact a zealot, the spiritual fount of the movement.
Jesus was brought forth on charges of not paying tribute and, with others, interfered with the money translations.
This is in fact a sign of revolute. Jesus was hung between a robber and a thief,which is what the romans called the zealots. But jesus was crucified because he was, as the plaque above read,”king of the jews”. This implies the brotherhood was/is of the nature of recognizing kingship. The reading in fact contain passages referring to the future when a king rules. This implies the brotherhood are of the believe in the messiah as ruling as a king under by gods will.
The implication are that pilate changed the reason for death ,to “king of the Jews”, pilate was contemptuous of the Jews and it may well be that this is true and, that pilate added the real reason to spite the Sanhedrin. Not an original thought.
The real thorn is the continued patriarchal religious dogma. The male god is only a couple of thousands of year history. In the readings a lone reference to the mothergod in the souls, is one of only two references to he mother goddess.
Where was the Father for the other 70,000 years when the only religious icon was the “Neolithic eve”, a large hipped, small breasted, headless stone images found through the Neolithic world ? the Father did not create all, He usurped the goddess’s domain over the creation of life. and this only a few thousand years ago. A few thousand years of nothing but endless warfare between peoples of various patriarchal gods.
When cayce began channeling archeangel micheal, paraphrasing the bible or quoting from it, the universality that emanate from the readings overall seemed lessened.
It is germane to note that 2 of the 3 appearances of micheal were at board meeting of the corporation funding the hospital complex built of cayces treatments ad readings.
Both times at the board meeting micheal was powerful and authoritative, even suggesting penitence by those present.
It just seems odd that archeangel micheal would appear at a board meeting.the only times he appears in the 20,000 readings or so.
Woman is the mother and the mother is the earth. Oppression of women is the same attitude that assaults earth. earth is being degrade as a planet containing life.
the levite influence today is alive and well In the call for war in the Middle east. And of course the rothchilds and likud will want to reinstate a king over Israel and the world. This will be the real new world order. until the commerce of the world stops trading under roman statue , the old world order will continue to exist.
rahu

here are previous post so you don't have to wade through troll backwash if you care to follow he thread.



The cayce entity asserts that john the Baptist had a fundamental difference in his ministry ,after breaking with the temple in Jerusalem, which was the acknowledgement of free choices for women about religious concerns. several references are made as this period in history being favorable for women. Jesus first appears from the dead to a woman.
The essenes were studying the old prophecies of Elijah ,Elisha, and Isaiah at Mt. carmel
It is said that john was a direct descendant of the high priest.john’s father was not a high priest.so his title must come from his mother. This supports my view that Elizabeth was a descended of the house of zadok. The house of zadok was appointed by moses to take control of the temple cultus, ie all things pertaining to rituals and times. It must be by this lineage that john was a direct link to the high priest position.
John had position as he could break with the temple and set up his own branch of the faith.
In light of all the strong women picture by the cayce entity , the chart of the Master shows juno conjunct orcus trine to the node. This could show the importance of the “priesthood” in his training and education. Orcus shows there are blood connection to these powers, juno being royalty its very well describes female benefactors along with healing powers.
The moon is square to nessus which brings the unconscious hu the mother. Nessus here is both healing and to be dreaded as this could reflect the crucifixation . with the mon/nessus midpoint conjunct to the vertex, the Masters healing abilities were spontaneous, they came fom beneath his consciousness . Saturn is quintile to Pluto. This gives a conscious control of the healing power and the aspect is most likely the symbolic of the magician, creating something out of nothing as fishes and loaves.
Orcus is square the arcturus/sun opposition, strengthening spiritual healing and indicative of a past lie involve with arcturus.
With Neptune trine the sun and sextile to arcturus, the spiritual direction of his life is symbolized.
In the Natives natal the dragonhead is at 25lib11,ixion at 24liborcus at 25gem29, orcus at 25gem0 and juno at 24gem50 . the exactitude o these aspects marks the most important signs of destinies’ workings
The node will transit the Natives node on july 1, trine orcus on the 2 of july ,trine to juno on july 3 and conjunct ixion of july 11 14.
I would think , if this chart has any value, is possible that the Vatican will make a announcement relating to women in the church. It should be something that gives women much more power in the hierarchy.
An announcement also could be the revelation of new codice or manuscripts opening up new knowledge about Jesus.
rahu


a interesting passage is given in the readings about the truths around the prince of peace

...."have been delivered to the people,and the people have again come under the tyranny of the money changers,and of them who have let position, fame, or fortune become their god rather than Him.......
may 16

I wonder who this entity is that speaks through cayce. This question was posed to cayce in trance..
Q: who is giving this discourse?
A:are ye curious? Are ye serious? Look within self.
Hmmm
There is a book called the Passover Plot.
http://midwestapologetics.org/reviews/passoverplot.htm
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075043/plotsummary
it posits a deception to bring about what looks like the resurrection.
Very early there were many different ideas about what took placein cayces reading ,I does indicate that there was a plot of some sort. The Galileans and those of the Judean ministry were at odds as to to do after Jesus enters Jerusalem. Jesus did not wait fo a resolution and went on into Jerusalem.
What the entity glosses over is the difference in the concepts o the messiah between members of the group.
The Galileans as zealots wanted to call for a full scale revolt. Those sympathic to the Judean ministry undoubtedly wanted a messiah in the mold of a new king of Israel. A king to negotiate with the roman emperor likely this factor was no violet whereas s the Galilean wanted a violent confrontation.
It seem that in part the Galilean viewpoint prevailed as the reason jesus was presented to the authorities was for civil charges. jesus had not payed tribute and his followers had tried to prevent the taxes or levies from being paid.
“it was the accusations, rather than that which is recorded, even in the Holy Writ”
So it seems the plan did have rebellious intentions.
There were also violent clashes after the crucifixion.
The entity gives enough information to see the differing ideas about Jesus and those around him.
There is a letter from publius lentulus to emperor tiberias, in which he describes jesus as extraordinary man ,called the sun of god and raising the dead and healing
Jesus had red/brown hair ,in curls about his shoulders , grey eyes , features neither roman of jewish. what interested me “……his hands large and spreading,his arms are very beautiful….he talks little ,but with a great quality and is the handsomest man in the world…”
Of course in the Cayce readings, Judas is named as the fairest of the disciples.
with a Uranus/venus midpoint on the south node in the natal, that was my first flash… great physical attraction.

rahu
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During and before Jesus initiation, the readings speak of a brotherhood of light that protects the holy family. Then after initiation the readings start referring to Holy Women. Martha, Judy, these women’s power was undiminished buy the Christian teachings as is evident in the reading(1463) on pg 255
”….for she was a Holy Woman, even when they stood beneath the Cross. (reading1463) “This hearkens back to a matriarchal religious system antecedent to the essences and Christianity.
I adhere to the belief that the Qumran settlement was established by the house of zadok around 150 bc. The maccaabean revolution had gained the temple back to the jews and ousted the selcuid dynasty which had ruled since Alexander the greats death. The house of zadoc had been entrusted by moses with the temple cultus. But the maccabeans did not give the house of zadok there birthright position ,instead they handed the temple over to the hasmoneans a secular family. According to the book of maccabes the house of zadok disappeared into the desert. This all transpired about 150 bc. Around then the jews the selecuids, and the essences took over Qumran about 150bc.
the essences held to all holy rituals, they referred to those priest in Jerusalem as usurpers.
The house of zadok included “ high priestess”. It seems the Holy Woman of the essenes may be these high priestess of the house of zadok. There was a community of holy woman, some were essene some were “catholic “.some were Egyptian or Persian.
Judy the leader of the essences was a Holy Woman and after the crucifixion counseled the disciples and gave a interpretation of what had passed. And to the High Holy Women….”understanding as to how woman was redeemed from a place of obscurity to her place in the activities of the race, of the world, of the empire, yea, of the home itself.”
So it seems the crucifixation also relieved woman of the original sin. These dynamics seem to back up Robert graves viewpoint of the importance of the underlying matriarchal goddess .

Historically this social dynamic is a product of the Levite patriarchy seizing the political, economic and spiritual power of the indigenous Goddess religious culture. Levite attitudes were active in rewriting ancient scriptures to exclude the primal power that was the high goddess for 10’s of thousands of years.
Reading between the lines ,the power of the mother goddess is obvious, yet the levite influences is passed on by the spirit that channels this information.
But finally the entity does let it slip………….”there is no mystery to the transformation of the body 0f the Christ………attaining physical consciousness of the at-one-ment with the Father-Mother God”
Seals have been found in Israel dating to the 7th century that read jevovah and his consort asherah.
Monotheism in Israel was a political move by the levites to strip the position and wealth of the Mother goddess. According to cayce, the full picture of jesus includes the importance of the Goddess on Jesus’ life ,soul and ministry.

Jezebel and ahab worshipped the mother goddess thru baal as all the tribes had of Israel at one time.their dearhs and defilement were by the levites. the tribe of Benjamin was the only one that refused to put the high priestess of baal aside. For this, all the other tribes refused to give brides to the tribe of Benjamin
rahu

may13
The nativity has Jupiter square to uranus and mercury. These symbols fit the readings about both jesus and john, being initiated in to the brotherhood, in the giza pyramid, just prior to jesus 40 days in the desert. astrology is clear shown by the mercury/Uranus conjunction and these symbols also give access to the astral and visionary states. Theneptune trine shows theincarnation was help by divine love.
This square is very rebellious and with ixion with the dragon, a mercury/Uranus square Jupiter will be abrupt and actively challenging inoperative rules.
I found a reference to a zealot. A reading was describing a young woman,wife of Zebedee,. But it is just a lone appellation with no =discussion.
Synchronistically the next paragraph , she married Zelot. Hmmm these are the only references yet to the political name of the revolutionaries ,though Zelot by be similar only in sound.
It seems to me that there has been some editing of this readings or visitation. the political and revolutionary nature has been purposely obscured. Or not. Both gods and magical can twang the skeins of time and space.
In part….”.this was owing to the political situation under the roman rule, where they were often contrary to those of herod,who ruled overt part of Judea,which later became known as Galilee or samaria, the residents of which became a questioned people.” So cayce does mention the political turbulence in galilee.galileans had a noticeable accent and could be identified by their tongues. the zealots were referred to as robbers and thieves by the romans. Interesting that on either side of Jesus were a robber and a thief , yet jesus plaque declared he was crucified because he was king of the jews.
I have always question why jesus ancestors thro joseph follow the male line.the the lineage is passed by the mother.but according to these readings mars was also of the line of david so moot point.
There are no men mentioned in jesus life or ministry so far (2/3 finiished, this stuff is concentrated, it is like good historical fiction,religious/psychic revelation and geographical lessons all in one)
Elizabeth, john the Baptist’s mother came up with the nature of johns ministry before he was born .the religious roles of both jesus and john were “charted by Elizabeth . judy was head of the essences in this area when jesus was a teenager. Josie is also mentioned as teaching him.
the entity speaking through cayce is a devote patriarch, with Father the God over all. the reading mention that at this time women were beginning to have greater rights and determination of their lives. Still, no males mentioned in his training or education in Palestine lead credence to a position taken by Robert graves in his book King Jesus. he places jesus in context of the indigenous mother goddess embrace. The levite temple cultus was not embraced in galilee. Except for high holy days the Galileans were content with their place.
Hmmm the magicians were down on women and astrology back then too.

rahu

may13

ixion on the node ringing closely to the beliefs that jesus associated with zealot parties.i.e. revolutionaries. All Jewish viewpoints accepted the messiah coming but each in their ow way. The zealots believe that if they started a violet revolute against the Romans, god would come to their aid but only after the zealots initiated the confrontation . matt 10:43, has never been understood ,simple, you don’t tell the romans , guy they made god of the roman hated romans .hard sell for even for diocletian
“Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW;…”

Radical espiscopal bishop james pike was working on a book about the participation of the disciples and jesus with zealot forces. Bishop pike pointed out that at time in history the Romans had a garrison of soldiers with the temple. So for jesus to have over turned the money lenders tables I the temple…..the guards could not have been there, implying they were draw away for a serious insurrection else where.

While researching the book in Israel he met with a mysterious death in the desert.
The book is called The Wilderness Revolt , and was published after is death.
Synchronicity would have it that I had a recent acquaintance that knew and grew up with bishop pikes daughter.
See had helped edit the book and confided that bishop pike had been murdered because he had found documentation supporting his view. She had seen the documents but was not” allowed “to include the existence of these documents in the book.
http://www.itsgila.com/headlinersbishoppike.htm

the fact of history is that Galilee was never subdued. To be from galilee was synonymous with rebel. And it was . Romans did not regularly venture into galilee as it was not worth the fights and skirmishes that occurred. Rome was only interested in the temple where all the jewels and gold came to.

There was a simon zelotes (zealot)with jesus and ” iscariot “of judas can be translated as a daggerman or zealot assassin. though the root word can also show he came from one of larger agean islands.

I found one reference to the master and simon(zelotes) and vague reference to the social conditions galilee as the edicts of the romans were at variance with the edicts of herod. but no direct reference to zealots so far.


rahu


may11


The natives chart shows ixion on the noth node, which is a excellent symbol to reflect the intercine struggles and demise of the native. Ixion brings social struggle and familial struggles fore.
On the north node, acting as a point of black , violent ritualistic death could be seen. Jesus family was not impoverished and his cousin john(after his death called the Baptist) was a direct heir to the high priesthood in Jerusalem.
So there were immediate political and social influence surrounding jesus from before his ministry and before his nativity.. These tensions increased after the crucifixion and overt political repression began.
The are other aspects and traditions that cayce ‘s reading just hint of. Hints of jesus associated with those of violent political dissent .
The venus/Uranus midpoint is conjunct the south node. This would give a magnetically and attractive physical charisma. Spiritualizing this could imply visions and inspiration. The physical/social affect of his aura is very strong .
It is easy to see his rise to a cultural leader as well as spiritual leader with these aspects.

And the math holds that this is a reincarnated soul as the natal shows the sun at 28 Pisces 22 conjunct the IC at 28pisces 24, with sun opposed arcturus at 28virgo 30(the planet jesus’s soul retreats to between incarnation)

rahu

may 7
Much to the dismay of the Vatican, an approx. 1,500 - 2,000 year old bible was found in Turkey, in the Ethnography Museum of Ankara. Discovered and kept secret in the year 2000, the book contains the Gospel of Barnabas – a disciple of Christ – which shows that Jesus was not crucified, nor was he the son of God, but a Prophet. The book also calls Apostle Paul “The Impostor.” The book also claims that Jesus ascended to heaven alive, and that Judas Iscariot was crucified in his place -
http://humansarefree.com/2014/05/sho...e+Free-Blog%29

rahu
 

rahu

Banned
the pope and Netanyahu argue over which language jesus spoke'
http://news.yahoo.com/pope-netanyahu-spar-over-jesus-native-language-140042705.html

"Jesus was here, in this land. He spoke Hebrew," Netanyahu told Francis, at a public meeting in Jerusalem in which the Israeli leader cited a strong connection between Judaism and Christianity.
"Aramaic," the pope interjected.
"He spoke Aramaic, but he knew Hebrew," Netanyahu shot back.

rahu

past post on this thread

edgar Cayce was often near Jesus. he was Lucius bishop of Laodicea during the early church.
Edgar Cayce death chart shows arcturus conjunct to juno square to Jupiter rand opposed to mars. as the reading mentioned the soul goes to arcturus between earthly incarnation. so it seems Cayce passed over to arcturus after his last incarnation.

the symbols are coherent in these charts and claims.
rahu

past post minus the troll backwash.

Cayce’s healings , prescriptions and archeological/paranormal event verifications gives a objective level of connection. The brotherhood of light were said to be watching over the holy family. I assumed john the Baptist and jesus were intiated into the brotherhood in the great pyramid. These readings,to my mind, show that jesus was in fact a zealot, the spiritual fount of the movement.
Jesus was brought forth on charges of not paying tribute and, with others, interfered with the money translations.
This is in fact a sign of revolute. Jesus was hung between a robber and a thief,which is what the romans called the zealots. But jesus was crucified because he was, as the plaque above read,”king of the jews”. This implies the brotherhood was/is of the nature of recognizing kingship. The reading in fact contain passages referring to the future when a king rules. This implies the brotherhood are of the believe in the messiah as ruling as a king under by gods will.
The implication are that pilate changed the reason for death ,to “king of the Jews”, pilate was contemptuous of the Jews and it may well be that this is true and, that pilate added the real reason to spite the Sanhedrin. Not an original thought.
The real thorn is the continued patriarchal religious dogma. The male god is only a couple of thousands of year history. In the readings a lone reference to the mothergod in the souls, is one of only two references to he mother goddess.
Where was the Father for the other 70,000 years when the only religious icon was the “Neolithic eve”, a large hipped, small breasted, headless stone images found through the Neolithic world ? the Father did not create all, He usurped the goddess’s domain over the creation of life. and this only a few thousand years ago. A few thousand years of nothing but endless warfare between peoples of various patriarchal gods.
When cayce began channeling archeangel micheal, paraphrasing the bible or quoting from it, the universality that emanate from the readings overall seemed lessened.
It is germane to note that 2 of the 3 appearances of micheal were at board meeting of the corporation funding the hospital complex built of cayces treatments ad readings.
Both times at the board meeting micheal was powerful and authoritative, even suggesting penitence by those present.
It just seems odd that archeangel micheal would appear at a board meeting.the only times he appears in the 20,000 readings or so.
Woman is the mother and the mother is the earth. Oppression of women is the same attitude that assaults earth. earth is being degrade as a planet containing life.
the levite influence today is alive and well In the call for war in the Middle east. And of course the rothchilds and likud will want to reinstate a king over Israel and the world. This will be the real new world order. until the commerce of the world stops trading under roman statue , the old world order will continue to exist.
rahu

here are previous post so you don't have to wade through troll backwash if you care to follow he thread.



The cayce entity asserts that john the Baptist had a fundamental difference in his ministry ,after breaking with the temple in Jerusalem, which was the acknowledgement of free choices for women about religious concerns. several references are made as this period in history being favorable for women. Jesus first appears from the dead to a woman.
The essenes were studying the old prophecies of Elijah ,Elisha, and Isaiah at Mt. carmel
It is said that john was a direct descendant of the high priest.john’s father was not a high priest.so his title must come from his mother. This supports my view that Elizabeth was a descended of the house of zadok. The house of zadok was appointed by moses to take control of the temple cultus, ie all things pertaining to rituals and times. It must be by this lineage that john was a direct link to the high priest position.
John had position as he could break with the temple and set up his own branch of the faith.
In light of all the strong women picture by the cayce entity , the chart of the Master shows juno conjunct orcus trine to the node. This could show the importance of the “priesthood” in his training and education. Orcus shows there are blood connection to these powers, juno being royalty its very well describes female benefactors along with healing powers.
The moon is square to nessus which brings the unconscious hu the mother. Nessus here is both healing and to be dreaded as this could reflect the crucifixation . with the mon/nessus midpoint conjunct to the vertex, the Masters healing abilities were spontaneous, they came fom beneath his consciousness . Saturn is quintile to Pluto. This gives a conscious control of the healing power and the aspect is most likely the symbolic of the magician, creating something out of nothing as fishes and loaves.
Orcus is square the arcturus/sun opposition, strengthening spiritual healing and indicative of a past lie involve with arcturus.
With Neptune trine the sun and sextile to arcturus, the spiritual direction of his life is symbolized.
In the Natives natal the dragonhead is at 25lib11,ixion at 24liborcus at 25gem29, orcus at 25gem0 and juno at 24gem50 . the exactitude o these aspects marks the most important signs of destinies’ workings
The node will transit the Natives node on july 1, trine orcus on the 2 of july ,trine to juno on july 3 and conjunct ixion of july 11 14.
I would think , if this chart has any value, is possible that the Vatican will make a announcement relating to women in the church. It should be something that gives women much more power in the hierarchy.
An announcement also could be the revelation of new codice or manuscripts opening up new knowledge about Jesus.
rahu


a interesting passage is given in the readings about the truths around the prince of peace

...."have been delivered to the people,and the people have again come under the tyranny of the money changers,and of them who have let position, fame, or fortune become their god rather than Him.......
may 16

I wonder who this entity is that speaks through cayce. This question was posed to cayce in trance..
Q: who is giving this discourse?
A:are ye curious? Are ye serious? Look within self.
Hmmm
There is a book called the Passover Plot.
http://midwestapologetics.org/reviews/passoverplot.htm
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075043/plotsummary
it posits a deception to bring about what looks like the resurrection.
Very early there were many different ideas about what took placein cayces reading ,I does indicate that there was a plot of some sort. The Galileans and those of the Judean ministry were at odds as to to do after Jesus enters Jerusalem. Jesus did not wait fo a resolution and went on into Jerusalem.
What the entity glosses over is the difference in the concepts o the messiah between members of the group.
The Galileans as zealots wanted to call for a full scale revolt. Those sympathic to the Judean ministry undoubtedly wanted a messiah in the mold of a new king of Israel. A king to negotiate with the roman emperor likely this factor was no violet whereas s the Galilean wanted a violent confrontation.
It seem that in part the Galilean viewpoint prevailed as the reason jesus was presented to the authorities was for civil charges. jesus had not payed tribute and his followers had tried to prevent the taxes or levies from being paid.
“it was the accusations, rather than that which is recorded, even in the Holy Writ”
So it seems the plan did have rebellious intentions.
There were also violent clashes after the crucifixion.
The entity gives enough information to see the differing ideas about Jesus and those around him.
There is a letter from publius lentulus to emperor tiberias, in which he describes jesus as extraordinary man ,called the sun of god and raising the dead and healing
Jesus had red/brown hair ,in curls about his shoulders , grey eyes , features neither roman of jewish. what interested me “……his hands large and spreading,his arms are very beautiful….he talks little ,but with a great quality and is the handsomest man in the world…”
Of course in the Cayce readings, Judas is named as the fairest of the disciples.
with a Uranus/venus midpoint on the south node in the natal, that was my first flash… great physical attraction.

rahu
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may 15
During and before Jesus initiation, the readings speak of a brotherhood of light that protects the holy family. Then after initiation the readings start referring to Holy Women. Martha, Judy, these women’s power was undiminished buy the Christian teachings as is evident in the reading(1463) on pg 255
”….for she was a Holy Woman, even when they stood beneath the Cross. (reading1463) “This hearkens back to a matriarchal religious system antecedent to the essences and Christianity.
I adhere to the belief that the Qumran settlement was established by the house of zadok around 150 bc. The maccaabean revolution had gained the temple back to the jews and ousted the selcuid dynasty which had ruled since Alexander the greats death. The house of zadoc had been entrusted by moses with the temple cultus. But the maccabeans did not give the house of zadok there birthright position ,instead they handed the temple over to the hasmoneans a secular family. According to the book of maccabes the house of zadok disappeared into the desert. This all transpired about 150 bc. Around then the jews the selecuids, and the essences took over Qumran about 150bc.
the essences held to all holy rituals, they referred to those priest in Jerusalem as usurpers.
The house of zadok included “ high priestess”. It seems the Holy Woman of the essenes may be these high priestess of the house of zadok. There was a community of holy woman, some were essene some were “catholic “.some were Egyptian or Persian.
Judy the leader of the essences was a Holy Woman and after the crucifixion counseled the disciples and gave a interpretation of what had passed. And to the High Holy Women….”understanding as to how woman was redeemed from a place of obscurity to her place in the activities of the race, of the world, of the empire, yea, of the home itself.”
So it seems the crucifixation also relieved woman of the original sin. These dynamics seem to back up Robert graves viewpoint of the importance of the underlying matriarchal goddess .

Historically this social dynamic is a product of the Levite patriarchy seizing the political, economic and spiritual power of the indigenous Goddess religious culture. Levite attitudes were active in rewriting ancient scriptures to exclude the primal power that was the high goddess for 10’s of thousands of years.
Reading between the lines ,the power of the mother goddess is obvious, yet the levite influences is passed on by the spirit that channels this information.
But finally the entity does let it slip………….”there is no mystery to the transformation of the body 0f the Christ………attaining physical consciousness of the at-one-ment with the Father-Mother God”
Seals have been found in Israel dating to the 7th century that read jevovah and his consort asherah.
Monotheism in Israel was a political move by the levites to strip the position and wealth of the Mother goddess. According to cayce, the full picture of jesus includes the importance of the Goddess on Jesus’ life ,soul and ministry.

Jezebel and ahab worshipped the mother goddess thru baal as all the tribes had of Israel at one time.their dearhs and defilement were by the levites. the tribe of Benjamin was the only one that refused to put the high priestess of baal aside. For this, all the other tribes refused to give brides to the tribe of Benjamin
rahu

may13
The nativity has Jupiter square to uranus and mercury. These symbols fit the readings about both jesus and john, being initiated in to the brotherhood, in the giza pyramid, just prior to jesus 40 days in the desert. astrology is clear shown by the mercury/Uranus conjunction and these symbols also give access to the astral and visionary states. Theneptune trine shows theincarnation was help by divine love.
This square is very rebellious and with ixion with the dragon, a mercury/Uranus square Jupiter will be abrupt and actively challenging inoperative rules.
I found a reference to a zealot. A reading was describing a young woman,wife of Zebedee,. But it is just a lone appellation with no =discussion.
Synchronistically the next paragraph , she married Zelot. Hmmm these are the only references yet to the political name of the revolutionaries ,though Zelot by be similar only in sound.
It seems to me that there has been some editing of this readings or visitation. the political and revolutionary nature has been purposely obscured. Or not. Both gods and magical can twang the skeins of time and space.
In part….”.this was owing to the political situation under the roman rule, where they were often contrary to those of herod,who ruled overt part of Judea,which later became known as Galilee or samaria, the residents of which became a questioned people.” So cayce does mention the political turbulence in galilee.galileans had a noticeable accent and could be identified by their tongues. the zealots were referred to as robbers and thieves by the romans. Interesting that on either side of Jesus were a robber and a thief , yet jesus plaque declared he was crucified because he was king of the jews.
I have always question why jesus ancestors thro joseph follow the male line.the the lineage is passed by the mother.but according to these readings mars was also of the line of david so moot point.
There are no men mentioned in jesus life or ministry so far (2/3 finiished, this stuff is concentrated, it is like good historical fiction,religious/psychic revelation and geographical lessons all in one)
Elizabeth, john the Baptist’s mother came up with the nature of johns ministry before he was born .the religious roles of both jesus and john were “charted by Elizabeth . judy was head of the essences in this area when jesus was a teenager. Josie is also mentioned as teaching him.
the entity speaking through cayce is a devote patriarch, with Father the God over all. the reading mention that at this time women were beginning to have greater rights and determination of their lives. Still, no males mentioned in his training or education in Palestine lead credence to a position taken by Robert graves in his book King Jesus. he places jesus in context of the indigenous mother goddess embrace. The levite temple cultus was not embraced in galilee. Except for high holy days the Galileans were content with their place.
Hmmm the magicians were down on women and astrology back then too.

rahu

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ixion on the node ringing closely to the beliefs that jesus associated with zealot parties.i.e. revolutionaries. All Jewish viewpoints accepted the messiah coming but each in their ow way. The zealots believe that if they started a violet revolute against the Romans, god would come to their aid but only after the zealots initiated the confrontation . matt 10:43, has never been understood ,simple, you don’t tell the romans , guy they made god of the roman hated romans .hard sell for even for diocletian
“Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW;…”

Radical espiscopal bishop james pike was working on a book about the participation of the disciples and jesus with zealot forces. Bishop pike pointed out that at time in history the Romans had a garrison of soldiers with the temple. So for jesus to have over turned the money lenders tables I the temple…..the guards could not have been there, implying they were draw away for a serious insurrection else where.

While researching the book in Israel he met with a mysterious death in the desert.
The book is called The Wilderness Revolt , and was published after is death.
Synchronicity would have it that I had a recent acquaintance that knew and grew up with bishop pikes daughter.
See had helped edit the book and confided that bishop pike had been murdered because he had found documentation supporting his view. She had seen the documents but was not” allowed “to include the existence of these documents in the book.
http://www.itsgila.com/headlinersbishoppike.htm

the fact of history is that Galilee was never subdued. To be from galilee was synonymous with rebel. And it was . Romans did not regularly venture into galilee as it was not worth the fights and skirmishes that occurred. Rome was only interested in the temple where all the jewels and gold came to.

There was a simon zelotes (zealot)with jesus and ” iscariot “of judas can be translated as a daggerman or zealot assassin. though the root word can also show he came from one of larger agean islands.

I found one reference to the master and simon(zelotes) and vague reference to the social conditions galilee as the edicts of the romans were at variance with the edicts of herod. but no direct reference to zealots so far.


rahu


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The natives chart shows ixion on the noth node, which is a excellent symbol to reflect the intercine struggles and demise of the native. Ixion brings social struggle and familial struggles fore.
On the north node, acting as a point of black , violent ritualistic death could be seen. Jesus family was not impoverished and his cousin john(after his death called the Baptist) was a direct heir to the high priesthood in Jerusalem.
So there were immediate political and social influence surrounding jesus from before his ministry and before his nativity.. These tensions increased after the crucifixion and overt political repression began.
The are other aspects and traditions that cayce ‘s reading just hint of. Hints of jesus associated with those of violent political dissent .
The venus/Uranus midpoint is conjunct the south node. This would give a magnetically and attractive physical charisma. Spiritualizing this could imply visions and inspiration. The physical/social affect of his aura is very strong .
It is easy to see his rise to a cultural leader as well as spiritual leader with these aspects.

And the math holds that this is a reincarnated soul as the natal shows the sun at 28 Pisces 22 conjunct the IC at 28pisces 24, with sun opposed arcturus at 28virgo 30(the planet jesus’s soul retreats to between incarnation)

rahu

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Much to the dismay of the Vatican, an approx. 1,500 - 2,000 year old bible was found in Turkey, in the Ethnography Museum of Ankara. Discovered and kept secret in the year 2000, the book contains the Gospel of Barnabas – a disciple of Christ – which shows that Jesus was not crucified, nor was he the son of God, but a Prophet. The book also calls Apostle Paul “The Impostor.” The book also claims that Jesus ascended to heaven alive, and that Judas Iscariot was crucified in his place -
http://humansarefree.com/2014/05/sho...e+Free-Blog%29

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Another duality that reflects the nodal axis’s nature is Jesus and Judas.

Jesus a Gemini archetype as his detractors called him a magician. A healer and a prophet who saw the visions behind reality and sp0oke with deities. His emphasis are the” truth” and the” way”, are Gnostic images, stressing the searching for god within. These are all Gemini images, and the belief the foundation of the universe is based on gods thought is the basis for many occult or esoteric philosophies. Mercury, Ruler of Gemini, conjunct the north nodes gives overt telepathy and psychic abilities. If an individual goes off the edge under a dragonhead transit, it is usually because of
“truth” or some “knowledge” they have ,gives them an advantagfe over ”commom men”.
Colloquially, this can give a “god trip” .

The gospel of Judas describes a Gnostic relationship during which Judas was chose be the disciple you betrayed Jesus, so Jesus could shed his early form .in other early text, Jesus said Judas was the only disciple who was a immortal soul of the holy generation. This phrase “holy generation” is of interest as cayce’s readings revealed an underlying group of “holy women” , one who Judy was the leader of this group of essenes
Jesus was of the nature of Gemini and Judas was of scorpio.
Jesus was the Word, judas was the sword.

the movement was Zealot as the cayce reading ,emphasize in spite of holy writ, that jesus was brought up on charges failing to pay tribute and, with others disrupting and impairing the collection of taxes. These are act of a Zealot, and Zealots by definition were rebellious. the cayce readings repeatedly refer to jesus as the Prince of Peace. this is quite quixotically ,considering the emphasis on the rebellious nature of the charges that were acknowledged

some of the disciples and jesus were from Galilee. the romans did not go into galilee as they were always in open revolt.to be called a Galilean was synonymous with being a rebel. These rebels were called zealots they form one of the 3 main messianic groups.
One group believed the messiah would be a law given ,a judge of old. The second believed in a kingly messiah who would instuite a great nation as of old.the third were the zealots ,they believed that god would step up Israel after the righteous had taken up armed revolt.
Simon zealots is identified as a zealot. judas Iscariot can be translated as an assassin involved with the zealots. The name “Judas” associated him with Judas Maccabeus ,the hero of the maccabbean revolt which lead to the reestablishment of the temple, which had been desolated since the Babylonian exile. so Judas was an exalted name in these days of revolution against Rome.
Even Jesus words :

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
For I am come to set a man at variance against his father ..." (matt.10:34, KJV)
The story of jesus over turning the money changer’s table ,also shows unusual circumstance.
At that time in history the romans has a garrison of soldiers stationed within the temple walls.Historically it was impossible for jesus to have disrupted the business of making money for the romans.He would have had a spear run through him at the slightest provocation.
But he wasn’t . so the only reason could have been the soldiers were not there. This implies a insurrection somewhere that needed the troops presence.
Because the cayce reading imply a “layer of “holy woman”/high priestess , one can speculate that jesus had a coruler. a precedent archetype of the high priestess characterized by the concept the co-rulrship with twin sons. according to the cayce readings it was john the Baptist mother ,Elizabeth who figured out what to do and when to do it in regard to having the messiah born from the essene group in that Era .John the Baptist and jesus were immaculately conceived as was mary, and all were related. , I believe these holy/high priestess are the vestige of the high priestess of zadok and therefore a man born from them would be in lineal descendent from the high priesthood which had been bestowed by Moses.
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as said before Isaac Newton's chart proves jesus and Jesus's chart proves newton 6 jan -5

Judas can't write a book if he's dead.

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rahu

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the importance of the holy women is that the high priestess culture had been subdued many hundred and thousands of years before .the discourism is a religious concept of rule by twins or brothers under the watch of the high priestess or mother goddess. A general mythological progression is the mother goddess in the beginning, then a star or star child is added to the myth. From here the discori twins evolve in to a consort to the goddesss and then to a king who usurps the preeminence of the goddess.
The dioscuri twins are part of this mythic progression so it is interesting that the influence of twins and hence the mother goddess can be seen behind some of these readings.. According to j.r harris’ book,, Discori 1903 pg 43….”let us examine the third set of twins in the Christian calendar and test it….” And…”the popular religion was deeply tinctured by dioscurism..”
Another example of dioscurism is found in the migration myth of the one of the last gothic tribes(goth is a category the romans applied to a people with many different tribal names) to enter Europe; the longobards, whose name and history are persevered to this day in the province of Lombardy in Italy
the longobards worshiped anis/aesir and practiced dioscurism, with high priestess leading the two kings. but during the migration they came in contact with the norse god wotan9 the god of warrior bands).The priestess were told to pull their long hair forward to simulate a beard and then went to a place where wotan would see them in the morning light. Wotan, one of whose epithets, was long hair, saw the priestess’ and exclaimed” who are these longhairs warrior.”At which the priestess claimed the name longbeard,longobard, for their tribe and furthermore made wotan favor them in war because wotan had given the tribe his name. the high priestess married wotan, a very unusually occurrence, to consolidate the match. This is a example of the high priestess culture succumbing to the patriarchal gods. but it is from the migrations so it shows a period 100’s if not a 1000 year in the past.
The exceptional thing is that the essenes seemed to have elements of dioscurism as late as the time of jesus.
The house of zadok disappeared into the desert around 150 bc when the Israelites finally had sovereignty over the temple for the since the Babylonian exile in 587bc .the Maccabees refused to reinstate the house of zadok to their heritage after the Seleucid yoke had be thrown off.
So one has to assume that the temple in Jerusalem had high priestess before Jerusalem fell in 587bc.
So the patriarchal, one father god over all concept , had to have been developed during the exile.
Archeological remains from the first half of the 8th century bc show Jehovah had a consort, Asherah.
Here Jehovah, like all near eastern gods had a queen/consort. As in Egypt most thrones were passed on by the princess/queen. Kingship was claimed by marrying the queen.
The patriarchal father god, thru Levite intervention ,became the theme of the old testament .
The story of david is highly suspect as many scholars see a obvious editing to bolster king david’s legitimacy and fame. The original sin of eve is a function of the levite need to banish the white goddess, and take over all political, economic and social functions of the high priestess.
rahu
 

rahu

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In the Natives natal the dragonhead is at 25lib11,ixion at 24lib29 orcus at 25gem29, orcus at 25gem0 and juno at 24gem50 . the exactitude o these aspects marks the most important signs of destinies’ workings
The node will transit the Natives node on july 1, trine orcus on the 2 of july ,trine to juno on july 3 and conjunct ixion of july 11 14.

I would think , if this chart has any value, is possible that the Vatican will make a announcement relating to women in the church. It should be something that gives women much more power in the hierarchy.
An announcement also could be the revelation of new codice or manuscripts opening up new knowledge about Jesus.
There is a rare opportunity coming to research the some of the symbols involved with this chart. Jesus the transiting node will be conjunct to transiting arcturus on july 11th , a 24lib26:21 at which time it will be exactly conjunct the jesus’s ixion to within 3 arc minutes at 24lib29.
Currently the pope is making a big splash in the news reports so it may be difficult to tell if anything is related to the chart.
But…..
If cayce’s date of jesus birth is correct and if the importance of arcturus is real and if the martial energies of ixions and some of jesus words and actions are accurate,and if the node does in fact tie all realms of , destiny and karma together,………….. then I would surmise that around the 11th of july, there will emerge, likely from the Vatican, evidence supporting Jesus combination of mortality AND divinity or there will be social/religious unrest with the established churches extravagance,abuse and decadence.
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SATURN CONJUNCT JUPITER PEOPLE BUDDHA JOHN THE BAPTIST JESUS PROCLUS ISAAC NEWTON WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE GALILEO NOSTRADAMUS PASCAL THOMAS JEFFERSON WILFRED LAURIER ALEX MACKENZIE CHARLES TUPPER JOHN GLEN GEORGE MCGOVERN NANCY REAGAN FRANKLIN D ROOSEVELT MARTIN VAN BUREN CLARA BARTON MARY B EDDY CLAUDE DEBUSSY STEVE ALLEN JOAN BAEZ BOB DYLAN JOHN LENNON RINGO STARR DAVID SUSKIND BOBBY GOLDBORO BUFFY SAINTE-MARIE SYLVIA TYSON K.D. LANG HAL DAVID BOY GEORGE JOSEPH BANKS WILHELM VON BIELA LINDBURGH MARG MEAD FARLEY MOWAT LINUS PAULING ENRICO FERMI CAMILLE FLAMMARION WILBUR FRANKS WERNER HEISENBURG CHARLES KOWAL KARL SCHEELE HEINRICH SCHLIEMANN Raymond Bourque 28 Dec 1960 Mark Messier 18 Jan 1961 Wayne Gretzky 26 Jan 1961 Dennis Savard 4 Feb 1961

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rahu

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the importance of the holy women is that the high priestess culture had been subdued many hundred and thousands of years before .the discourism is a religious concept of rule by twins or brothers under the watch of the high priestess or mother goddess. A general mythological progression is the mother goddess in the beginning, then a star or star child is added to the myth. From here the discori twins evolve in to a consort to the goddesss and then to a king who usurps the preeminence of the goddess.
The dioscuri twins are part of this mythic progression so it is interesting that the influence of twins and hence the mother goddess can be seen behind some of these readings.. According to j.r harris’ book,, Discori 1903 pg 43….”let us examine the third set of twins in the Christian calendar and test it….” And…”the popular religion was deeply tinctured by dioscurism..”
Another example of dioscurism is found in the migration myth of the one of the last gothic tribes(goth is a category the romans applied to a people with many different tribal names) to enter Europe; the longobards, whose name and history are persevered to this day in the province of Lombardy in Italy
the longobards worshiped anis/aesir and practiced dioscurism, with high priestess leading the two kings. but during the migration they came in contact with the norse god wotan9 the god of warrior bands).The priestess were told to pull their long hair forward to simulate a beard and then went to a place where wotan would see them in the morning light. Wotan, one of whose epithets, was long hair, saw the priestess’ and exclaimed” who are these longhairs warrior.”At which the priestess claimed the name longbeard,longobard, for their tribe and furthermore made wotan favor them in war because wotan had given the tribe his name. the high priestess married wotan, a very unusually occurrence, to consolidate the match. This is a example of the high priestess culture succumbing to the patriarchal gods. but it is from the migrations so it shows a period 100’s if not a 1000 year in the past.
The exceptional thing is that the essenes seemed to have elements of dioscurism as late as the time of jesus.
The house of zadok disappeared into the desert around 150 bc when the Israelites finally had sovereignty over the temple for the since the Babylonian exile in 587bc .the Maccabees refused to reinstate the house of zadok to their heritage after the Seleucid yoke had be thrown off.
So one has to assume that the temple in Jerusalem had high priestess before Jerusalem fell in 587bc.
So the patriarchal, one father god over all concept , had to have been developed during the exile.
Archeological remains from the first half of the 8th century bc show Jehovah had a consort, Asherah.
Here Jehovah, like all near eastern gods had a queen/consort. As in Egypt most thrones were passed on by the princess/queen. Kingship was claimed by marrying the queen.
The patriarchal father god, thru Levite intervention ,became the theme of the old testament .
The story of david is highly suspect as many scholars see a obvious editing to bolster king david’s legitimacy and fame. The original sin of eve is a function of the levite need to banish the white goddess, and take over all political, economic and social functions of the high priestess.
rahu

I thought of a Dioscouric leadership because there is always a close participant.edgar cayce was father or jesus in one life, in another jesus was identified as hermes/thoth/mercury who along Ra Ta Ta( a cayce incarnation), built the pyramids and started the Egyptian civilization 10,000 years ago.

This date for the pyramids seems right but placing the beginning of Egyptian civilization to the same era is quite different that the generally accepted dates of 4 or 5,000 years old. but interestingly the cayces reading also tell of RaTaTa coming down from the Caspian area and settling in the Egypt. Interesting because the predynastic culture showed a influx of larger people just before the pyramid age started ,ending predynastic period. cayce readings it was only about 900 large men with RaTaTa.
So here cayce information may be substantiated by archeological evidence.
And placing exodus at 5000bc instead of 1500bc is quite a stretch. But velikovky has shown an extra 700 years inserted in middle east chronology .so new discoveries may affect traditional dates. middle eastern history is dated based on Egyptian dates. But amazingly the dates that are bedrocks of Egyptology were ascertained before hieroglyphs were translated. They have no scientific base.

But the point is maybe cayce and jesus are co ruler of some sort.

Then there is timothy, whose name in Aramaic meant Twin and whose greek name translates: the twin who is the twin. Whose twin was he?
Interestingly timothy was the only disciple to leave and start a separate church. Timothy started a church in northern india/parthia that still survives.

The some scrolls judas is a equal participant in the final drama.there are medieval source making judas a Oedipus archetype.

The midpoint composite chart of cayce and jesus, may give insight to the nature of the brotherhood and the holy women.

The composite shows Jupiter conjunct the node, loosely, and square exactly lilth and arcturus tightly.
These are forceful impulses with spiritual and secular rule by an enlighten king. orcus shows the direct influence of destiny and blood . Jupiter shows tem to be teaches of their brotherhood as the node gives the infinite.with arturus present the significance of spiritual development is affecting the social/political milieu
The tight conjunction of mercury and the sun is near exactly trine to Pluto with Pluto opposed to mars. This bring to mind the warrior king that had s healing touch in The Lord of the Rings.
Pluto well posited gave the healing forces to move freely .
Jupiter square to lilth and arcturus points to a legacy of rule and control. There is much to stay with the image of Zealots, though educated and applying karma/psychic dynamics to order heir reality.
Lilth presence stresses the goddess sub stratum influences. Also the moon/Uranus midpoint is conjunct Polaris. This could show he influence of the prophetess/priestess work in balancing the healing nature of the Chiron/Venus conduction .as arcturus is opposed to venus and Chiron.
The Pluto trine pattern and the jupiter square pattern flow into each other .the image of healing and knowledge, leading to enforcement and files.

Both arcturus and Polaris are centrally aspected ,which upholds the readings stress on the importance of these two stars on human evolution

With Saturn square to Neptune and the midpoint square the nodal axis, manifestation of spirit is at the heart of the relationship. Saturn square to Neptune gives the spiritual sensitivities tat penetrate the densest planes of matter. complicated and hidden motives The Jupiter/Uranus midpoint is conjunct the sun/mercury conjunction .this could indicate the studies of astrology and prophecy, it would also imply a lost legacy or gained legacy.

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eduard shevardnaze’s died on may 7 , when the node was conjunct to arcturus. The moment of death/shevardaze-nata l shows the composite sun opposed to arcturus.i know very little about eduard shevardnaze but following cayce’s lead, one could infer that eduard scherase might been part of the brotherhood cayces refers to. The same brotherhood as jesus, as jesus natal chart had sun opposed to arcturus .
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During and before Jesus initiation, the readings speak of a brotherhood of light that protects the holy family. Then after initiation the readings start referring to Holy Women. Martha, Judy, these women’s power was undiminished buy the Christian teachings as is evident in the reading(1463) on pg 255
”….for she was a Holy Woman, even when they stood beneath the Cross. (reading1463) “This hearkens back to a matriarchal religious system antecedent to the essences and Christianity.
I adhere to the belief that the Qumran settlement was established by the house of zadok around 150 bc. The maccaabean revolution had gained the temple back to the jews and ousted the selcuid dynasty which had ruled since Alexander the greats death. The house of zadoc had been entrusted by moses with the temple cultus. But the maccabeans did not give the house of zadok there birthright position ,instead they handed the temple over to the hasmoneans a secular family. According to the book of maccabes the house of zadok disappeared into the desert. This all transpired about 150 bc. Around then the jews the selecuids, and the essences took over Qumran about 150bc.
the essences held to all holy rituals, they referred to those priest in Jerusalem as usurpers.
The house of zadok included “ high priestess”. It seems the Holy Woman of the essenes may be these high priestess of the house of zadok. There was a community of holy woman, some were essene some were “catholic “.some were Egyptian or Persian.
Judy the leader of the essences was a Holy Woman and after the crucifixion counseled the disciples and gave a interpretation of what had passed. And to the High Holy Women….”understanding as to how woman was redeemed from a place of obscurity to her place in the activities of the race, of the world, of the empire, yea, of the home itself.”
So it seems the crucifixation also relieved woman of the original sin. These dynamics seem to back up Robert graves viewpoint of the importance of the underlying matriarchal goddess .

Historically this social dynamic is a product of the Levite patriarchy seizing the political, economic and spiritual power of the indigenous Goddess religious culture. Levite attitudes were active in rewriting ancient scriptures to exclude the primal power that was the high goddess for 10’s of thousands of years.
Reading between the lines ,the power of the mother goddess is obvious, yet the levite influences is passed on by the spirit that channels this information.
But finally the entity does let it slip………….”there is no mystery to the transformation of the body 0f the Christ………attaining physical consciousness of the at-one-ment with the Father-Mother God”
Seals have been found in Israel dating to the 7th century that read jevovah and his consort asherah.
Monotheism in Israel was a political move by the levites to strip the position and wealth of the Mother goddess. According to cayce, the full picture of jesus includes the importance of the Goddess on Jesus’ life ,soul and ministry.

Jezebel and ahab worshipped the mother goddess thru baal as all the tribes had of Israel at one time.their dearhs and defilement were by the levites. the tribe of Benjamin was the only one that refused to put the high priestess of baal aside. For this, all the other tribes refused to give brides to the tribe of Benjamin
rahu

There is a reference to a” great woman” in II kings 4:8 . …………………..and elisha passed to shunem where was a great lady.
There Elisha breathed life in to her son. II kings 8:4 records the royal audience by the king of Israel about this subject. Why would the king be interested in this healing episode? elisha was a healer so these healings could not have been rare.
But by looking at the tel amarna letters , it becomes clear this “great woman” was very influential
In the tell amarna letters, royal correspondences from king amonhotep 3rd and king amonhotep 4th , there are letters to the pharaoh from a woman in shunama(shunem) in Palestine, named baalat-nese. She obviously has a high position to be able to correspond with the king directly. No other woman wrote letters to the king in all of Egyptian history. Her letters are of the same nature as many other vassal’s . she warns of rebels of mesh are threatening her city .
In II kings, Elisha was said to have breathed life into her son, so this makes her a “great woman”…?
Her name in Egyptian, “ baalat-nese” can be translated as “a woman to whom was a wonder”.
Could the bible be down playing the great woman’s power, might she have breathed life into her son, might this be an aspect of levite censorship of the legacy of asherah(which means “groves”)

during the time of Elisha, there was a revolt by the king of moab named mesha .
both the Egyptian and biblical accounts show a “great woman” in Palestine during the revolt of a “mesha.”
The record in the book of kings has a few conflicting verses about this era, which would be the reign of ahab ,king of Israel ,in samaria and the reign of Jehoshaphat ,king of Judah, in Jerusalem.
King ahab persecuted the cult of yahwe, the yahwists, and the yahwists continually tried to forment revolution against him.
As a consequence ahab killed all the members of the opposing yahwist ” 1 kings 18:3
Jehoshaphat on the other hand sent the levites to all city princes to give them the book of law of yahwe, and guide/rule them. 11chronicles 17:9
1kings 21:25 says that ahab “whom jezebel his wife stirred up”.
Jezebel brought the religion of the mother goddess. In the scripture called baal, the original form of this god was belial, a feminine god which was masculinized in the scriptures ,again to hide the goddess’s preeminence.
This time period is the beginning of the levite belief in one god. Still at this time all the ancient world was polytheistic . Yahweh had a consort, asherah in early centuries and throughout the early history the tribes of israel worshiped the indigenous mother goddess.
The levite rewriting of history of Judaism starts with he suppression of the mother goddess.
This censorship is very obvious in kings account of ahabs life.
1kings 22 ahab is wounded I battle and leaves the field of combat. He recovers and goes on to live for 3 years after jehosaphat dies. But the next line tells of ahab staying in the field of combat and dying.
The second version has ahab’s son ahaziah reigning next for 2 years and then his son jehoram reigning for 12 years and then jehu,a sonof jehosaphat, reigned.
But the first version has ahab living until after jehosaphat’s death.
Another problem is that jehoram was jehoshaphat’s son as written in 11chronicles 21:6.
So why is jehoram called ahab’s son. Commentators have also wondered why ahab who was against the yahwist would name a son jehoram(jahwe is exalted).
The second (accepted story of ahab) dying in battle fulfils a prophecy by Elisha that “.. dogs shall lick thy blood….dogs shall eat jezebel by the walls of jezreel.”
The second version is a obvious attempt to rewrite history and show elisha’s prophecy to be true and to erase the influence of the mother goddess under jezebel.
That the second version is a fraud is made clear by other sources from this time period.
The second version says that the king of moab, mesha, rebelled against Israel after ahabs death on the field of battle.
But a stella was found , written by mesha,king of moab. The revolt was initially successful and the stella was a written record of this rebellion and the reasons for.
Omri,ahabs father had oppressed the Moabites and moab was a vassal state to the king of smaria,omri.
Mesha writes that he rebelled when ahab had reigned half of his years.
So clearly the second version is a fraud as it says the revolt of mesha happen at the time of ahabs death.
Also the armarna tablets also record the revolt of mesha ,by name,in a letter from ahab to ankhetaton the pharaoh.
A second source that shows the second version is incorrect is a from annals of shalmanester 3,king of Assyria and Babylon .a inscription reads that in his the 6th year,he battled a coalition of Syrian and Palestinian princes at karkar. Ahab is mentioned as providing an army of 10,000 soldiers and 2,ooo chariots to the allied host against shalmanser.
In his 18th year shalmanser received “ a tribute from the men of tyre,sidon, and of jehu , of the house of omri. Omri was ahabs father. The 12years between these inscription does not leave room for jehoram to have reigned. Jehu was a son of Jehoshaphat who exterminate the line of ahab and ruled samaria(house of omri)
The second version in kings 22 says ahab son ahaziah ruled for 2 years, and then jehoram ruled for12 years and jehu ruled for a unspecified time.
But this adds up to more that the 12 years between ahab and jehu as noted in the annuals of shalmanser2. Some commentators have question whether jehoram ruled at all in samaria.
From ancient records of the same time, it is clear that the story of ahab has been censored by the yahwists/levites.
The pharaoh ankhetaton was a heretic king. He initiated the worship of one god, aton, . freud calls him the first monotheist. At this time in history, all the kings of Palestine were vassals of ankhetaton. the tablets of amarna were written in assyro-babylonian(akkaidian), the common diplomatic language of the day. Letters to and from the kings of Jerusalem(ursulim) capital of judah and samaria(sumara) capital of the king Israel are found in addition to correspondence of many of the lesser kingdoms of edom,sidon etc.
60 of the 360 tablets of the armarna archive were from king ahab.
Why was there such a close connection between ahab,who embraced the mother goddess through jezebel?
One reason may be that ankhetaton likely embraced a Egyptian mother goddess. I little mentioned fact is that ankhetaton built the greatest temple to amon in Egyptian history. Up to the 1960’s Egyptologist though Ramses the great ‘s temple to amon was the greatest . in the 60’s wit one of the first applications of computers to archeology, Egyptologist discovered that a “pile of debris “a mile long and 400 yards wide was a temple to amon built by ankhetaton.
Some 2 million building stones were photographed, researches had to go all over Europe to photograph stones in various national museums.when the photos were collated, they found that this was indeed the greatest temple ever built to amon.
But the most amazing fact was that throughout this immense temple, there was only one image portrayed. It was not amon but rather it was ankhetaton”s, queen Nefertiti, still concerned one of the worlds great beauties to this day.
So it seems that the pharaoh himself worshiped an egyptiam form of the mother goddess.
This may be a reason why ahab was so intimate to ankhetaton , even as a vassal prince.
Of course according to the guardians of dogma, there is a major problem with this scenario.
That is archeologists place ankhetaton in the 15th century bc and king ahab is place in the 9th century bc.
Again the hands of the levite editors of history had to separate the clear examples of the worship of the mother goddess and so they ignore the fact that inspite of the amarna archive showing a multitude of kingdoms in plaestine and Syria, they place anhketaton in the 15th century bc when there were not such kingdoms existant. The tablets have correspondences with urusalim,(Jerusalem) but in the 15th century bc Jerusalem did not exist.it was called salem. Likewise sumeria and Judah did not exist in the 15th century bc. And some of the tablets used Hebrew idioms, yet Hebrew did not exist in the 15 centurybc.
I suggest anyone interested in this period to read Ages in Chaos by Immanuel Velikovsky.
One last comment, the chronology of the ancient middle east is based on the chronology of ancient Egypt. The chronolgy of Egypt is based on Ramses the great reigning in 1200 bc. everything else is based on this date. But this date has no scientific or archeological basis. The date of 1200bc was first proposed in the 18th century ad and “finalized” in the early 19th century ad. But the hieroglyphs of Egyptian had not been interpreted until the mid 18th century. So the 1200 bc date for ramses rest on no archeological or historical fact.
Yet the levite editors of history , to keep the connection of the mother goddess between Egypt and Samaria obscured ,have separated these contemporaries by 600 years.

rahu
 

rahu

Banned
http://www.goddiscussion.com/76112/the-political-subversive-role-of-the-prophets-in-the-history-of-ancient-israel-the-omride-dynasty-prophetic-insurgency-and-jehus-bloody-coup-detat-part-3/http://www.goddiscussion.com/76112/the-political-subversive-role-of-the-prophets-in-the-history-of-ancient-israel-the-omride-dynasty-prophetic-insurgency-and-jehus-bloody-coup-detat-part-3/



For so long have we been viewing the history of Israel from the biased, cataract-eyed perspective of Yahwist revisionists who composed the Books of Kings and Chronicles that we tend not to appreciate the magnitude of the perfidy of high treason against the state of Israel initiated by Elijah the "man of God" and executed by his successor, Elisha. We have been too conditioned to thinking of the "House of Ahab" as evil Baal worshipers to appreciate that from a purely secular perspective, Elijah and Elisha were arch-villains and enemies of the people of the Kingdom of Israel whose sponsorship of mutiny against the Omride Dynasty initiated the decline in military vigor of the state of Israel and finally Assyrian conquest. Unbiased secular scholarship would credit the achievements of the Omride Dynasty in stabilizing the state of Israel as a major military power in the Syrio-Palestinian region.But to the eternal shame of Yahwism in the history of Ancient Israel, Elisha conspired to overthrow the Omrides in a narrow-mindedly vengeful orgy of bloodletting. There were absolutely no patriotic motives, no political, military or economic
The consistent failure of the Yahwists to gain exclusive control of the state since the breakup of the United Kingdom may be explained by a lack of grassroots support. Every king who came to power in Israel fell under intense pressure to identify his kingship with the religious cult of Baal, because Baal worship was immensely popular with the masses, the Yahwists being merely an extremist righ-wing elitist group with little or no following among ordinary people of the ancient northern Kingdom of Israel.
justification of the Jehu coup d'etat besides inordinate ambition and lust of the Yahwists for the privilege of exclusive state patronage they had enjoyed during David's reign.

The Yahwists had evidently pushed for a passing of the Syrians under "saws of iron, harrows of iron, axes of iron and brick-kiln," following the brutal policy of King David's Yahwist regime which ruled the "wicked heathen nations" with a messianic "rod of iron

the triple goddess and woman themselves have been under attack by the yahwist right wing from the time of david. Jehu revolted with yawhist support and killed the kings of Israel and Judah. He exterminated the house of omri by killing ahab”s 70 sons and all other people in ahabs court and environments.
Yet the yahwist cult could not suppress baal..beliah..the mother goddess, as jehu had to embrace the rituals of baal to insure his support of the people of Judah and Israel who did not support the extremist yahwist cult.

This attitude survived into our era.

The most pertinent assassination in regard to the coming world wide conflict is shown by the assassination of yitzak rabin on nov 4 1995.because he did not support the the latter day Davidic yahwists of the likud party

Rabin and yasir Arafat had struck a historic deal to giving the Palestinians self determination in the west bank on sept 28 95.
Rabin had been harassed by the extreme right wing party likud, which now controls the Israeli government. the tshin bet, Israeli covert security agency knew a plot was up but did not tell rabin about it.

The likud party is rule by religious extremist who rabin was personally against.
This was made clear in by the july 4,1994 NY Times article on page 1 column 1.
Rabin stated “the extreme right in Israel celebrates the bloodshed of extremist islam, trying to use the Israeli victims as a lever against the agreement(P.L.O) accord”
“the extremist murders of the Islamic holy war and hamas are the tool of the extreme right in Israel.”
Rabin said the likud party, the main right wing opposition party had ”brazenly and with total fabrication created the impression here and abroad that the nation is divided over the unity of Jerusalem inder isralei sovereignty.

The grip on this archaic yahwist cult leads netanyahu’s action in gaza today.

rahu
 

rahu

Banned
In the Natives natal the dragonhead is at 25lib11,ixion at 24lib29 orcus at 25gem29, orcus at 25gem0 and juno at 24gem50 . the exactitude o these aspects marks the most important signs of destinies’ workings
The node will transit the Natives node on july 1, trine orcus on the 2 of july ,trine to juno on july 3 and conjunct ixion of july 11 14.

I would think , if this chart has any value, is possible that the Vatican will make a announcement relating to women in the church. It should be something that gives women much more power in the hierarchy.
An announcement also could be the revelation of new codice or manuscripts opening up new knowledge about Jesus.
There is a rare opportunity coming to research the some of the symbols involved with this chart. Jesus the transiting node will be conjunct to transiting arcturus on july 11th , a 24lib26:21 at which time it will be exactly conjunct the jesus’s ixion to within 3 arc minutes at 24lib29.
Currently the pope is making a big splash in the news reports so it may be difficult to tell if anything is related to the chart.
But…..
If cayce’s date of jesus birth is correct and if the importance of arcturus is real and if the martial energies of ixions and some of jesus words and actions are accurate,and if the node does in fact tie all realms of , destiny and karma together,………….. then I would surmise that around the 11th of july, there will emerge, likely from the Vatican, evidence supporting Jesus combination of mortality AND divinity or there will be social/religious unrest with the established churches extravagance,abuse and decadence.
rahu

" then I would surmise that around the 11th of july, there will emerge, likely from the Vatican, evidence supporting Jesus combination of mortality AND divinity or there will be social/religious unrest with the established churches extravagance,abuse and decadence"

on july 8 2014
~~Catholic Jesuit Superior Adolfo Panchon announced his resignation this week after the International Common Law Court of Justice in Brussels linked him to Ninth Circle Satanic Child Sacrifice Cult ceremonies. For the last month five judges have “examined numerous eyewitnesses and Vatican archival documentation that clearly link Pachon, Pope Francis, former Pope Ratzinger and Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby to the ritual rape and killing of children as recently as 2010″ according to yesterday’s bulletin from the International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State. Last month the ITCCS began prosecuting the case before the five international judges and 27 jury members.
http://beforeitsnews.com/eu/2014/07/jesuit-superior-resigns-pope-may-resign-child-abuse-scandal-widens-more-witnesses-coming-forward-british-royal-family-implicated-2563816.html?utm_source=direct-b4in.info&utm_term=http%3A%2F%2Fb4in.info%2FscjC&utm_campaign=&utm_medium=verticalresponse&utm_content=beforeit39snews-verticalresponse
Brussels:
On July 11(2013), Pope Francis formally and publicly incited criminal behaviour among all Roman Catholics by prohibiting the reporting of child abuse within his church, and threatening excommunication against those who speak about such abuse.
By his action, the Bishop of Rome, Jorge Bergoglio, faces arrest and indictment as the head of a Criminal Organization, under terms of the United Nations Convention against Transnational Criminal Organizations (2000).
“Pope Francis is telling every Catholic in the world to break the laws of their own country and give aid and comfort to child rapists. That’s not simply a grossly immoral act but a war crime, since he’s attacking the laws and sovereignty of other nations, and threatening the safety of their people” commented George Dufort, the Belgian-based Secretary of the International Common Law Court of Justice, which successfully prosecuted former Pope Benedict and other Vatican officials last February.
http://itccs.org/2013/07/23/roman-catholic-church-is-declared-a-transnational-criminal-organization-international-arrest-warrant-to-be-issued-against-pope-francis-jorge-bergoglio-for-inciting-criminality-and-treason/
Kevin Annett: Roman Catholic Church is declared a Transnational Criminal Organization Interview with Alfred Lambremont Webre – WATCH ON YOU TUBE: International Arrest Warrant to be issued against Pope Francis /Jorge Bergoglio for Inciting Criminality and Treason A Global Media … Continue reading
http://itccs.org/?s=pope+francis

the continuing sexual abuse revelations against catholic church may seem to be foreign to the traditions around jesus. But there are historical documents showing deleted portions of the gospel of mark insinuated Gnostic and sexual rituals within jesus’s ministry
http://foryourfaith.wordpress.com/2009/12/29/the-secret-gospel-of-mark/

in 1958mprofessor morton smith of Columbia university discovered in a monastery near Jerusalem a letter containing a missing fragments of the gospel of mark .this fragment is not found in any other rendering of mark and the suppression of this fragment is directly related to bishop clement of Alexandria.( Titus Flavius Clemens (Greek: Κλήμης ὁ Ἀλεξανδρεύς; c. 150 – c. 215),)
the letter is from a certain one theodore who writes complaining about a Gnostic sect called the carpocratians who interpreted a certain passage in the gospel of mark contrary to the position of clement.
The carpocratians believed in satiation of the senses to find “god”. They claimed to have a copy of the secret gospel of mark . the passage that alludes to sexual encounters in the pursuit of gnosis reads..”jesus , being angered went with her into the garden where the tomb was, and straightway a great cry was heard from the tomb.and go8ing near jesus rolled away the door of the tomb.and straightway ,going in where the youth was, he stretched forth his hand and raised him,seizing his hand.but the youth,looking upon him,loved him and began to beseech him that he might be with him.and going out of the tomb they came into the house of the youth,for he was rich.and after 6 days jesus told him what to do and in the evening the youth comes to him wearing linen cloth over his (naked) body. And he remained with him that night,for jesus taught him the mystery of the kingdom of god…..”
This part of the fragment was interpreted by the carpocratians as a hidden reference to a sexual Initiation.
For a fuller reading of the fragment see Holy Blood Holy Grail ,delacorte press edition/November 2005 pg 354.
Clements advise theodore the hidden gospel of mark did in fact exist and sent the missing fragment of Mark to theodore.
But the clement esssential said the carpocratians wwere correct but that “these wandering stars” wandeerd from the commandments…into boundless carnal and bodily sins”
And advise Theodore that even though the carpocratians were correct,t hat theodore should deny their truth.
“for, even if they should say something true,one who loves the truth should not,even so,agree with them. for not all true things are the truth,nor should that truth which seems true according to human opinion be preferred to the true truth,that according to faith.”\
Clements had this fragment censored as it does not appear in any existing gospel of mark to this day.
So it seems there was a hidden Gnostic initiation of a sexual nature associated with jesus.
The current sexual depravity that the catholic church has inflicted on the lay, goes back very possibly to the time of Jesus., thoughyin that era the combination of spirit and sexuality was a sacred combination passed down from the mother goddess,queen of heaven.
rahu
 

Kannon

Well-known member
I know a lot of comments have been added to this thread since the beginning, but I need to clarify and/or correct some claims made here starting with the orginal post. I'm a member of the A.R.E. and have the Cayce reading database open on my screen as I post this reply.

in life reading 587 ,Edgar Cayce said Jesus was born on march 19th 4 ad using the Julian calendar. mosaic year 1899

There is no life reading 587. Cayce's first reading for the querent 587 (reading 587-1) was a medical reading and no questions whatsoever were posited by that patient. 587 is the number code for that particular querent. The readings are cataloged by then adding a hypen and number (-1) starting with a "1" for the first reading and proceding chronologically for all subsequent readings for that querent.

It is in reading 587-6 the querent asks when/where Jesus was born and Cayce responds, "on the 19th day of what would now be termed March." She asks for the year and Cayce replies, "From the Julian calendar, the year 4. From the Hebrew or the Mosaic calendar, the year 1899."

in another reading Cayce said the birth was on jan 9th,

source= reading # 5749-15
"The arrival was in the evening, - not as counted from the Roman time, nor that declared to Moses by God when the second passover was to be kept, nor that same time which was in common usage even in that land, but what would NOW represent January sixth. "

Rahu, you are referring to the mention of January 6th as given in reading 5749-15, as Bjorkstrand has quoted, but unfortunately misunderstood (without reading the entire text). This is from paragraph #4 in which Cayce was referring to Mary and Joseph arriving in Bethlehem. In this chronological story telling, Cayce later states in paragraph #18, "Just as the midnight hour came, there was the birth of the Master."

So a supposed chart setting Jesus' birth in January has no source in the Cayce readings. It pays to read the entire reading and be sure of what you are attributing to Cayce.

and in reading 5749-7, Cayce said he birth was December 24-25.

You are referring to reading 5749-8 in which Thomas Sugrue (querent 5749) asks, "Do we celebrate Christmas at approximately the right time?" That is not the same as asking to know when/where Jesus was born. There are a number of events related to the child Jesus, including the appearance of the wise men, which did not happen simultaneously with Jesus' birth.

In various inquiries related to different topics, usually in life readings or special topic readings, Cayce addressed the matter that he could only give answers based on how the question was asked. This is important since much of this material was recorded for future reference by many others who were not present for any subtleties of the Q & A.

Often a querent didn't have enough understanding in order to properly focus and phrase the question. We cannot toss aside language and the meanings of actual words in a mystic rush to know all. Cayce often gave answers to queries that could only be understood through comparison of different readings and a dedicated in-depth study of the topic.

in life reading 5749-15,cayce said "just as the midnight hour came, there was the birth of the Master"

Correctly quoted from line #18 of that reading.

this discrepancy was questioned in life reading 2067.
cayce's reply was:

It is reading 2067-7 to which you refer. Here is that Q & A:
7. (Q) In one Reading we are told Jesus' birthday was on March 19 according as we would reckon time now. In another Reading we were told that we

keep Christmas about the right time, the 24th or 25th of December as we have our time now. Please explain seeming contradiction.

(A) Both are correct according to the time from which same were reckoned. How many times have there been the reckonings? Take these in

consideration, with the period of events being followed in the information indicated. Just as there was the reckoning from the various groups for their

individual activity, so was the information given as to the records from that source with which those seeking were concerned.

-- Edgar Cayce reading 2067-7

Cayce is answering to the discrepancy not of differing birth dates/times for Jesus, but between the birth date of March 19 for Jesus and celebrating Christmas on the 25th of December. Those are two different things and the querent was not specfic enough. Cayce pointed them back to the context in which both answers were appropriately given to the specific parties making these separate inquiries.

The Cayce material does not supply quick and easy answers so debaters can win arguments. This material requires in-depth comparative study.

NOTE: There are copyright rules for quoting the readings without first obtaining specific permission:
http://www.edgarcayce.org/are/aboutus.aspx?id=1487

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Edgar Cayce Readings © 1971, 1993-2007 by the Edgar Cayce Foundation
All Rights Reserved
 
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JUPITERASC

Well-known member
'…..Sixty years ago
who could have known that terms such as "meditation," "akashic records," "spiritual growth,"
"auras," "soul mates," and "holism"
would become household words to hundreds of thousands?
Further details about Cayce's life and work
are explored in classic works
There Is a River (1942) by Thomas Sugrue,
The Sleeping Prophet (1967) by Jess Stearn,
Many Mansions (1950) by Gina Cerminara,
and
Edgar Cayce-An American Prophet (2000) by Sidney Kirkpatrick.....'


THE SLEEPING PROPHET :smile:
WHO WAS EDGAR CAYCE
AND
WHAT ARE EDGAR CAYCE READINGS?
http://www.edgarcayce.org/edgar-cayce1.html


'…..Daily for over forty years of his adult life,
Cayce would lie down on a couch with his hands folded over his stomach
and allow himself to enter a self-induced sleep state.
Then, provided with the name and location of an individual anywhere in the world
he would speak in a normal voice and give answers to any questions about that person that he was asked.
These answers, which came to be called "readings"
were written down by a stenographer,
who kept one copy on file
and sent another to the person who had requested the information......'



'…...Today at Association for Research and Enlightenment, Inc.
(A.R.E.), Virginia Beach, Virginia,
are copies of more than 14,000 Edgar Cayce readings
available to public
and filed with follow-up reports
received from individuals who requested readings,
representing most massive collection of psychic information
ever obtained from a single source.
Cayce founded the organisation in 1931 to document, research and disseminate his information
it has grown from few hundred supporters at Cayce's death 1945
to worldwide. Countless individuals touched by life work of man raised as simple farm boy
who became one of the most versatile and credible psychics the world has ever known.....'
 

rahu

Banned

"I will check the book and see it if is a typographical error or my error"



"So a supposed chart setting Jesus' birth in January has no source in the Cayce readings. It pays to read the entire reading and be sure of what you are attributing to Cayce"

you should point this criticism to bjorkstrand. I did not mention the jan 6 date.so don't put words into my mouth.
Bjorkstrand has a history of posting off the wall opinions. as I mentioned I do not give him much credence to any thing he comes up with.


"So a supposed chart setting Jesus' birth in January has no source in the Cayce readings. It pays to read the entire reading and be sure of what you are attributing to Cayce"

you should point this criticism to bjorkstrand. I did not embrace the jan 6 date.so don't put words into my mouth. if you are intend on a valid critique, then read the postings more carefully .
Bjorkstrand has a history of posting off the wall opinions. as I mentioned I do not give him much credence to anything he comes up with.

There is no question that cayces reading can be a bit egnimatic
Whatever the minutia, the march date is the only one that gives the year

I do have a question for you.
How can the A.R.E. pretend to support cayces readings when the A.R.E. had zahi hadass as a guest speaker. He is the single most incompetent critic of cayce and he has hidden many discoveries that support cayce.
I can’t remember the researchers name but his training was paid for by A.R.E. and then after hanging with hadass, he refuted much of cayce’s readings.

From my perspective A.R.E. has in fact sold out.
rahu
 

piercethevale

Well-known member

"I will check the book and see it if is a typographical error or my error"



"So a supposed chart setting Jesus' birth in January has no source in the Cayce readings. It pays to read the entire reading and be sure of what you are attributing to Cayce"

you should point this criticism to bjorkstrand. I did not mention the jan 6 date.so don't put words into my mouth.
Bjorkstrand has a history of posting off the wall opinions. as I mentioned I do not give him much credence to any thing he comes up with.


"So a supposed chart setting Jesus' birth in January has no source in the Cayce readings. It pays to read the entire reading and be sure of what you are attributing to Cayce"

you should point this criticism to bjorkstrand. I did not embrace the jan 6 date.so don't put words into my mouth. if you are intend on a valid critique, then read the postings more carefully .
Bjorkstrand has a history of posting off the wall opinions. as I mentioned I do not give him much credence to anything he comes up with.

There is no question that cayces reading can be a bit egnimatic
Whatever the minutia, the march date is the only one that gives the year

I do have a question for you.
How can the A.R.E. pretend to support cayces readings when the A.R.E. had zahi hadass as a guest speaker. He is the single most incompetent critic of cayce and he has hidden many discoveries that support cayce.
I can’t remember the researchers name but his training was paid for by A.R.E. and then after hanging with hadass, he refuted much of cayce’s readings.

From my perspective A.R.E. has in fact sold out.
rahu

Thank you for this observation.
I've been noticing a great deal of hypocrisy and self promotion among the current leadership and staff of the ARE.
On the ARE's facebook page, I called the ARE out for selling astrological reports using the same old astrological knowledge and techniques that Cayce condemned as being a source of far greater harm than of any good to anyone. They replied in a very despicable, whining like, reply of "What shall we do, what can we do?" to which I replied that they should stop and cease all sales and promotion of the astrology service they were essentially endorsing and if they wished to learn what is valid about astrology to follow along to our developments here at the aw forum in that a few of us are in the process of weeding out the good astrology from the bad and to get to know the writings of Dane Rudhyar on astrology, those techniques he promoted and his presentation of the Sabian symbols but that even getting up to speed with what the best of us has compiled to date isn't ready for public promotion at this time and may in fact be in need of years of observation to confidently conclude that any rectifications we may have made or suggested are, in fact, sound and conclusive.

I've received a number of promotional offers from the ARE for seminars and presentations by various people that they are in effect endorsing which most I consider to be dubious in either subject matter and or approach... questionable at best, just to be a bit kind in regard to the fact that they are still custodians of the original material.

I didn't read all of your posts herein Rahu, but I do want to say, I did come to appreciate your effort here, even though I might not agree with all of your presentation, reasoning and what conclusions you may have come to.... I find it to be a dedicated and ernest effort and the integrity you've displayed at remaining objective. I will get around to reading all your posts eventually and I look forward to it, most sincerely, I do.*

I don't know if you mention the one reading that Cayce gavg for the ARE admin in which it was allegedly Yeshu'a/Jesus that spoke through him and let it be known that He has walked among us on a number of occasions over the last 2000 years. As an ascended being, He can manifest physical form at will. Cayce did say that He had already achieved that ability many centuries before He was even born to Mariam/Mary as He was Enoch and Melchizedek, two prior incarnations, in which he was not born by woman but manifested himself into the physical out of will.

He could be walking among us at this very time... you never know.
...just sayin... I bring this matter up just so I can say...and be understood, as to... Be kind to all that you meet, treat everyman as a brother and every woman as a sister. Do unto others as you would have them so do unto you.

I'm not just saying this just so the hypocrites among you can cover your behinds in case you should happen to cross paths... but you can take that advice for that reason ... it sure won't be any particular concern of mine and actually will be appreciated... as for the reason it makes the world a better place and you all might find it to be a better way to live your lives by if you have to do it often enough.

Again, Rahu, thanks for your contribution here... fine effort.*

Pray for peace.

p.s. I just want to clear the air about that personal message I sent you some years ago. I had gotten you confused with member "Radu", as it was meant for him... although, in retrospect, I now feel it was inappropriate for me to send such a personal message to him, either.
Apologetically, ptv.




*in a pigs eye
 
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Kannon

Well-known member
The ARE is a group that can only be aware of Cayce's exact position on astrology to the extent that specialists study the Cayce readings and inform the group of what they find. Cayce's approach to astrology was very different and doesn't line up with anything promoted or described secularly, except as to the basic meanings of planets and signs. The only astrologer who I know to have done the research into the Cayce readings on astrology and to have brought in outside information to create a standard of horoscope practice that could meet Cayce's standards was John Willner. He published enough books to have gotten the organization's attention and if they were that interested in staying cutting edge on the matter they would have already moved in that direction.

I doubt very seriously if the ARE will get involved in anything they see as being a competition between differing schools of thought on astrology. It is far more to their advantage to not give pronounced emphasis to astrology past the point of common professional understanding. The burden of proof lies with those who want to assert a different way. But that requires being skilled enough in technical writing and communication to translate astrologese into ordinary terms that remain consistent with the well-defined ideals of the organization. Shaun Barry and I are working on this slowly and it may take many years to get to a turning point. If the ARE feels that their ideals are compromised by any such offerings, I expect they will simply decline. Their work is more focused on assisting in the general spiritual edification, support of personal healing and to a degree Cayce's futurism.

For my money a more telling factor related to the status of the organization was the inability of the ARE to deal with David Wilcock as the reincarnation of Cayce in a healthy, functional manner. Reincarnation as a hypothesis or personal matter is one thing. If you can't deal with its reality, in spite of that reality being included in Cayce's futurism, then it brings the organization into some doubt. I don't think Wilcock came with the expectation of being crowned the new leader in some fashion. But if the prophecies cannot be met and dealt with as if they were real, then the organization puts itself in doubt or even crisis.
 

piercethevale

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The ARE is a group that can only be aware of Cayce's exact position on astrology to the extent that specialists study the Cayce readings and inform the group of what they find. Cayce's approach to astrology was very different and doesn't line up with anything promoted or described secularly, except as to the basic meanings of planets and signs. The only astrologer who I know to have done the research into the Cayce readings on astrology and to have brought in outside information to create a standard of horoscope practice that could meet Cayce's standards was John Willner. He published enough books to have gotten the organization's attention and if they were that interested in staying cutting edge on the matter they would have already moved in that direction.

I doubt very seriously if the ARE will get involved in anything they see as being a competition between differing schools of thought on astrology. It is far more to their advantage to not give pronounced emphasis to astrology past the point of common professional understanding. The burden of proof lies with those who want to assert a different way. But that requires being skilled enough in technical writing and communication to translate astrologese into ordinary terms that remain consistent with the well-defined ideals of the organization. Shaun Barry and I are working on this slowly and it may take many years to get to a turning point. If the ARE feels that their ideals are compromised by any such offerings, I expect they will simply decline. Their work is more focused on assisting in the general spiritual edification, support of personal healing and to a degree Cayce's futurism.

For my money a more telling factor related to the status of the organization was the inability of the ARE to deal with David Wilcock as the reincarnation of Cayce in a healthy, functional manner. Reincarnation as a hypothesis or personal matter is one thing. If you can't deal with its reality, in spite of that reality being included in Cayce's futurism, then it brings the organization into some doubt. I don't think Wilcock came with the expectation of being crowned the new leader in some fashion. But if the prophecies cannot be met and dealt with as if they were real, then the organization puts itself in doubt or even crisis.

There are and have been over many years, astrologers trying to take what astrological info. Cayce did give. Understand it and expand on it.

Margaret Gammon is one name that pops in my mind I seem to recall that Leadbeater or it may have been Manly Hall that had made some observations, W. H. Church was another...and I'm at a lapse at the moment to think of the name of the fellow that was so adept that wrote in the 60's - 70's...also. Steven Poplin was and was either lecturing or giving classes in the late 90's early 00's ... I corresponded with him a few times in 2001-02 and, somewhat recently, there was a new member that checked in long enough to make a dozen posts, or so, that is and has been, for a number of years, a member of a study group that has been working cooperatively on piecing together the knowledge gleaned from every reading that they could find that contained anything of astrological information in the Cayce material.

I did correspond with her by email for a month after she last posted here. She had mentioned that the group had determined when the Sidereal Zodiac Spring Equinox began in the 30th degree of Aquarius, from the study of the readings.

I had never come across any that studied Cayce's astrological readings, and wrote of it, that had a much more than a clue as to when ...and so I called her out, saying, "No way".

She cited the reading numbers in which he last said it was in Pisces and the first in which He said Aquarius, and you know what? She was right and it narrows it down to July 1936 and I believe she inferred they knew the time down to the week, somehow, but wouldn't share that much.

My self, I take the same approach. Prove what he was demonstrating, speaking of, and then proceed from there.
 
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There are and have been over many years, astrologers trying to take what astrological info. Cayce did give. Understand it and expand on it.

Margaret Gammon is one name that pops in my mind I seem to recall that Leadbeater or it may have been Manly Hall that had made some observations, W. H. Church was another...and I'm at a lapse at the moment to think of the name of the fellow that was so adept that wrote in the 60's - 70's...also. Steven Poplin was and was either lecturing or giving classes in the late 90's early 00's ... I corresponded with him a few times in 2001-02 and, somewhat recently, there was a new member that checked in long enough to make a dozen posts, or so, that is and has been, for a number of years, a member of a study group that has been working cooperatively on piecing together the knowledge gleaned from every reading that they could find that contained anything of astrological information in the Cayce material.

I did correspond with her by email for a month after she last posted here. She had mentioned that the group had determined when the Sidereal Zodiac Spring Equinox began in the 30th degree of Aquarius, from the study of the readings.

I had never come across any that studied Cayce's astrological readings, and wrote of it, that had a much more than a clue as to when ...and so I called her out, saying, "No way".

She cited the reading numbers in which he last said it was in Pisces and the first in which He said Aquarius, and you know what? She was right and it narrows it down to July 1936 and I believe she inferred they knew the time down to the week, somehow, but wouldn't share that much.

My self, I take the same approach. Prove what he was demonstrating, speaking of, and then proceed from there.

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I've got Margaret Gammon's book. Its a little gem, but just an 'intro' type book as it is only 78 pp in total and shows little understanding of Cayce's statements regarding spiritual birth times and the entire foundation of horoscopic astrology in the readings. You can hardly do justice to the thousands of life readings that make use of astrology with a little booklet like this.

I know there are still authors out there who surely have written on Cayce's approach to astrology, but these books can be difficult to obtain particularly through my library system in Portland.

I don't want to derail Rahu's thread too far which was started to deal with Jesus birth chart according to Cayce, so maybe we should start a thread elsewhere on Cayce & Astrology in general.

I'll follow up on the other authors you mention. Please message me with any other book titles or authors as you recall them. I'm dedicated to this long-term which is why I have a membership in the ARE and search the reading directly myself regularly as part of my research.

If you could recommend this friend here on the forum who has been doing the study group work I would appreciate that too. Networking is important in this because I don't want to waste time doing research on something that has essentially already been accomplished. Plus I'd like to work cooperatively with others working in the same spirit whenever I can.

Thanks for the author info. I'll be following up.
 
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