how the right misunderstands everyone else

waybread

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Don't get me wrong. My politics are as follows. Independent. Moderate. I am independent because I pick and choose from both liberal and conservative platforms.

What I am not is either a leftist or a rightwing Trump supporter.

Moderator Tim Wilson just shut down a thread in which he argued extensively against some of my posts, without giving me a chance to reply. Much of Tim's post #281 criticized "leftists." Since I am not a leftist, I'm not here to defend them, merely to present alternative viewpoints.

https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=137715&page=12

I will try to do justice and fairness to Tim's points. I think they-- and my responses-- merit further discussion.

1. The shutdown of Parler, amazon.com, and other Big Tech intrusions into freedom of expression.

Response: These are business decisions. If conservatives support laissez-faire capitalism, they have to accept that businesses will make decisions they don't like. Leftists do not dictate to billionaire CEOs like Mark Zuckerberg, Jack Dorsey, and Jeff Bezos.

2. The Washington Post and New York Times perpetrated "the Russia hoax."

Response: The DOJ Mueller report found no evidence of Trump's 2016 campaign "colluding" with Russia. It reported ample evidence of Russian operatives attempting to sway voter opinions via social media, and handed down indictments. Since these operatives were back in Russia, they weren't going to be extradited. The Trump DOJ subsequently "investigated the investigators" and found only minimal evidence of anti-Trump actors; not enough to make a difference to the outcome of the Mueller report.

3. The conservative Fox News network offers balanced perspectives.

Response: Fox News does what the so-called liberal media outlets do: invite interviewees who are known for opposite political opinions. Granted. But look at the hard right views consistently expressed by the Fox News "talent": Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, Tucker Carlson, Maria Bartiromo, &c.

No, friends: the 2020 election was not stolen. Not according to something like 90 judges, including the SCOTUS, who dismissed something like 60 lawsuits filed by the Trump legal team, principally for lack of evidence. Many of these judges are conservative and some are Trump appointees.

Notwithstanding, Fox News continued to promote false information about the 2020 election. For this reason, many Americans are unclear why they should have to pay for a bundled cable/satellite media outlet that used its pulpit to damage American democracy.

4. President Lyndon Johnson's (1963-69) "Great Society" left poor people worse off.

Response: LBJ became highly unpopular over the Vietnam War. But he stick-handled passage of the Voting Rights Act, the Civil Rights Act, the Fair Housing Act, and others. These ended the highly discriminatory Jim Crow laws that prevailed in the segregated South. They did not leave disenfranchised African Americans "worse off than they were before."

Johnson left office long before the emergence of major drug addiction crises and soaring health care costs that are major factors in American poverty today.

(To be continued)
 
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waybread

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To continue with points Tim Wilson raised in his post #281.
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=137715&page=12

Again, I am not a leftist. I am a political moderate. (For example, I think Bernie Sanders would have been a disaster as president.) But apparently in the world of rightwing thinking, one is either "right" or "left" with no other possible positions.

This paragraph probably deserves to be quoted in full:

5.
It is in Leftists best interests to KEEP people thinking of themselves as victims since people will give up their Liberty in exchange for Security. For all the Leftists talk about "fighting poverty, ending discrimination, expanding education and health care" Leftists keep people in poverty by rewarding them for being poor, Leftists discover new sources of "discrimination" so they can add on new layers of oppressive govenment, Leftists shut down alternatives to failing public schools, and Leftists create one-size fits all health care programs that are poorly run and provide a very low quality of service (since there are no alternatives to a "universal" health care there is no incentive to provide GOOD service, they only provide A service...the NHS is an example of this).

I think Tim here is talking about social assistance: aka welfare. The facts are that most welfare recipients are children. Either they are too young to work or should be in full time school. Then those after-school babysitting or table bussing jobs pay poorly.
https://www.thoughtco.com/who-really-receives-welfare-4126592

Working full time at a minimum wage job places people below the poverty level, although America needs people in these unskilled or semi-skilled jobs. Decent housing in most major cities is unaffordable for most working-class people, let alone those living below the poverty line.

America has always had a tradition of private and parochial schools-- but parents pay tuition for them.

George W. Bush famously coined the term "compassionate conservatives." To conservatives who are Christian, Jesus expressed a moral obligation for his followers to help the vulnerable members of society.

6. Antifa and BLM "will physically attack anyone who dares speak out...."

Response: No sensible people condone Antifa. But it is a tiny minority, mostly of disaffected young men. It is a label, not an organization. Sensible people do not condone violence in any political demonstration.

Black Lives Matter is a different issue altogether. Most of its demonstrations have been entirely peaceful. The right to peaceable assembly and to express their concerns are protected under the First Amendment.

If freedom of speech truly exists, it includes the right of Black people to say things that white people do not want to hear. It includes the right of Black people to express feeling angry and heartbroken at the needless deaths of their loved ones.

7. This paragraph deserves repetition in full:

This pattern of behavior is familiar in Hitler's "brown shirts", Lenin's collection of children tattling on their parents, and Mao's "red guards". In all cases, Leftists used mobs to intimidate and attack people who believed and spoke differently from the Left. And, in all cases, Leftists denied that they were oppressing anyone but simply ensuring that the "people" were being taken care of. There is a pattern in Leftism of shutting down free speech and stopping debate because many Leftist ideas fall apart under close examination. The solution for Leftists is to shut down debate entirely so people are not aware of alternatives to Leftist solutions.

Response: This paragraph is an extraordinary combination of a (a)"straw man" and (b) "slippery slope" debate fallacies. (Meaning, (a) the debater mischaracterizes his opponents' beliefs because their made-up identities are much easier to demolish than what they actually believe. Also, (b) implying that if the opponents believes "A" they must also believe B, C,.....N; when actually the opponents believe no such thing.

There is also a fallacy reductio ad Hitlerum, where a debated directly reduces his opponent to Adolph Hitler or the Nazis.

Funny, but the last mobs who attacked and killed people were Trump supporters at the January 6 storming of the US Capitol building-- for the purpose of thwarting a democratic election. Some of them were shouting, "Hang Mike Pence!"

Prior to that, we saw dangerous rightwing crazies in Michigan storm the state capitol building with the plan to kidnap, try, and execute the governor.

Well, again, who is a "leftist"? Are moderate Republicans who voted to impeach Trump now "leftists" like Mao's Red Guard? Are duly elected members of Congress and state legislators who happen to be Democrats analogous to Hitler's Brown Shirts?

Of course, we won't make comparison to the rightwing Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, Sovereign Citizens, and the like. Nor will we make historical comparisons to the rightwing Ku Klux Klan, McCarthyism, the John Birch Society, or the pro-segregationist Citizens' Councils of America.

(That would be called "What aboutism, right?"

Maybe it's time to take a liberal to lunch, Tim, and just to listen to what s/he really thinks and why, rather than demonizing the mythologized evil "leftists."
 

blackbery

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You are being VERY disingenuous here...ALWAYS talking about how 'fair, moderate' you are politically. But that's not true. When did you EVER vote for a Republican POTUS?

What you are is a Trump-Hater who cannot get over the fact that the candidate that you hold in such high regard, Hillary Clinton LOST. And she lost because people liked Trump MORE.

Ever since 2016 the Left/Dems which includes YOU have lied about Trump winning, kept the Russian Collusion Delusion going (when there was NONE except Hillary colluded with the Ukraine) & attempted one coup after another.

Obama spied on his campaign & the whole criminal gang engaged in illegal & treasonous acts. Killary/Comey/Clapper/Brennan/Yates/Holder. More too.
Yet the Mockingbird Media NEVER talk about any of that....always talking about Trump & what an evil, neo-nazi, racist, criminal he & his supporters are.

Well, we know NOW that it's the Dems that are the REAL Nazis who use their paid Antifa/BLM mobs to beat up on people & burn the country down.

And their recent 2nd Fake Impeachment based on more lies, trickery & deceit.
The Dems are deranged with fury & hate against Trump because he's not part of the 'elite, corrupt club'. He's an outsider who loves America & the American worker.

He's here to bring the entire rotten, corrupt, evil system down. Which is kept together with the sickness & depravity that I won't even go into.

The ENTIRE MSM is against one man Trump who threatens them, including FOX. Like Tim said they turned on Trump last Oct & are just another corrupt, lying media outlet. They fired Lou Dobbs who had the highest rated business show with millions of viewers.
They are going down the toilet with their Left/Dem agenda & no real Trump supporter will ever watch them again.

AND....

NO, SCOTUS didn't toss the lawsuits due to lack of evidence. They NEVER looked at the evidence. They tossed the lawsuits for PROCEDURAL reasons.
NOBODY in the legal process has viewed the evidence. There is MASSES of it.

EVERY Media outlet censored/banned EVERY person who brought up election fraud, brought up Biden Family Crimes or criticized ANY Democrat.
They SHUT DOWN Free Speech....but ONLY for the Conservative/Right/Reps

YOU & the other Trump-Haters are fine with that, even applaud it. Over 2 Million accounts closed down on Twitter, YT & FB. Probably more by now as they do their weekly 'purges' where even the most moderate Conservative is shut down. I used to listen to so many moderate people & they are all gone.
They shut down the Twitter account of the POTUS for God's sake. They have that much power & you are okay with it all because YOU still get to be heard,
any Left/Dem radical can continue to post their lies & bs & get away with it.

They allow child pron on their platforms but close down the accounts of religious groups. Yep, I used to follow a site with a sweet old nun & another site with a very wise Rabbi. Both had their YT channels taken down.

AND...

What about the censorship of Covid? OMG, that quack Faucci & the other Trump-Haters killed people by denying them HCQ. They banned doctors & went after their medical licenses if they offered alternative treatments.
Cuomo & the other Dem Govs killed thousands of elderly people by shoving them in nursing homes to infect others. They refused to use the ships or the field hospitals that the Trump WH had set up.
They are mass murderers. Period. And they did it all to 'make Trump look bad'. That's how sick & depraved & demonic the Dems are. They don't care about anyone except gaining power & more wealth. Yep, those Dems all
make millions working for the taxpayer. They live in palatial mansions &
they steal & pillage for decades. They are the swamp creatures Trump is draining.

Trump will be back for he won the election in a landslide. Around 410 Electoral College Votes. Only about 10 people in the world know when it will happen.

You can keep believing in your fairy-tale about what a villain he is & how wonderful Killary, Pelosi & the rest of the Dems are. But many moderate
Dems are finally waking up. Q always said that around 10% may never wake up. They cannot accept that the Party they believed in their whole lives is nothing but a big pile of doo doo ruled by such evil that it's almost beyond comprehension. Unfortunately, it is real.

Thank you.

Have a nice day.








Don't get me wrong. My politics are as follows. Independent. Moderate. I am independent because I pick and choose from both liberal and conservative platforms.

What I am not is either a leftist or a rightwing Trump supporter.

1. The shutdown of Parler, amazon.com, and other Big Tech intrusions into freedom of expression.

Response: These are business decisions. If conservatives support laissez-faire capitalism, they have to accept that businesses will make decisions they don't like. Leftists do not dictate to billionaire CEOs like Mark Zuckerberg, Jack Dorsey, and Jeff Bezos.

2. The Washington Post and New York Times perpetrated "the Russia hoax."

Response: The DOJ Mueller report found no evidence of Trump's 2016 campaign "colluding" with Russia. It reported ample evidence of Russian operatives attempting to sway voter opinions via social media, and handed down indictments. Since these operatives were back in Russia, they weren't going to be extradited. The Trump DOJ subsequently "investigated the investigators" and found only minimal evidence of anti-Trump actors; not enough to make a difference to the outcome of the Mueller report.

3. The conservative Fox News network offers balanced perspectives.

Response: Fox News does what the so-called liberal media outlets do: invite interviewees who are known for opposite political opinions. Granted. But look at the hard right views consistently expressed by the Fox News "talent": Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, Tucker Carlson, Maria Bartiromo, &c.

No, friends: the 2020 election was not stolen. Not according to something like 90 judges, including the SCOTUS, who dismissed something like 60 lawsuits filed by the Trump legal team, principally for lack of evidence. Many of these judges are conservative and some are Trump appointees.
 

waybread

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Blackbery, thank you for so aptly demonstrating what the hard right misunderstands about everyone else.

Let's see if I can paraphrase you correctly:

1. People who question the hard right's mischaracterizing of everyone else are Trump-haters. Trump-haters' statements are, ipso facto, invalid.

2. People who question the hard right's mischaracterization of everyone else never got over Hillary Clinton's 2016 defeat. (Thank goodness she did lose, given what QAnon now knows about her pedophile cannibalistic cult run out of the basement of a pizzeria in D. C.)

3. Democratic leaders are intrinsically evil. Civil servants who questioned or investigated Trump are inherently evil even if they are registered Republicans. (But they're not fooling anybody. We know they're closet Democrats.)

4. People who question the hard right's mischaracterization of everyone else are Nazis and should be called out as such, as frequently as possible.

5. People who question the hard right's mischaracterization of everyone else are not only ignorant but evil, when they accept the findings of senior federal judges, Department of Justice investigators, or the SCOTUS.

6. People who question the hard right's mischaracterization of everyone else HATE FREE SPEECH. Never mind that the big social media companies shutting down QAnon are merely exercising laissez-faire capitalism: the kind of economy that the hard right professes to love.

7. It logically follows, as night follows day, that people who question the hard right's mischaracterization of everyone else must support child p*rnagr*phy.

8 People who question the hard right's mischaracterization of everyone else are "mass murderers"! They are murdering American citizens by spreading misinformation about the covid pandemic. (As in, what covid pandemic?)

9. People who question the hard right's mischaracterization of everyone else don't get that Q is a real person, that QAnon supporters are the only cognoscenti in full possession of the truth, and that Trump will soon be inaugurated in place of Trader Joe.

10. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

Did I summarize you correctly, Blackbery?
 

david starling

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Right-wing view of what a "Leftist" is:

A leftist is anyone who wants to tax the extremely wealthy to help those without enough money to live a decent life.

A leftist is anyone who wants to prevent air and water pollution.

A leftist is anyone who wants to preserve the wilderness.

A leftist is anyone who wants to prevent police brutality.

But these days, it boils down to one thing: A leftist is anyone who doesn't bow down to Trump as Lord and Master.
 

Cary2

Banned
In the name of being right in the midst of so many who she considers wrong, Waybread produced a tidy list. Each talking point on the list is a simple, little answer solving society's tenacious problems. If only her opponents (the right) would agree with her and follow her, their problems would be over. Waybread's prescriptions and criticisms are delivered to her from On High appearantly. Who would dare argue with a tidy list of simple, little answers?

In fact the problems are critical and wide-ranging, and the treatment given by Waybread is designed to upset the apple cart for her opponents, not solve any problems. She is just disrupting and tilting the aspect ratio, not answering the world's problems.

These topics Waybread presents as a tidy, little list require more effort and time than she has given. We don't have the time or the space here to tackle all of that, but I will address one of the points Waybread made in the interest of brevity, and you can extrapolate her style of arrogance by that. The issue of Jesus, she says, is simple: one is obligated to give to the poor [therefore we should concentrate government in a central location, take wealth from everybody and redistribute such wealth.] Come on, Man! Jesus was a Commie!! This small portion of her grand scope shows very aptly the arrogance of her approach.

Unfortunately much of the Jesus material has been lost or censored. He made strange statements at times that we do not fully understand, perhaps due to missing fragments. People have been putting words in Jesus's mouth ever since he died.

Waybread summarizes Jesus's ministry and teaching this way, "Jesus expressed a moral obligation for his followers to help the vulnerable members of society." Sounds like left-wing politics. Waybread is ignorant of Jesus, or she is deliberately misrepresenting his teachings, which were anything but simple. She has introduced deliberate fallacies. First, Jesus's teachings on such topics were not exactly as she pretends to paraphrase. Second, being concerned and generous for our fellow humans does not prescribe a strong central government that confiscates your wealth in order to redistribute it by bureaucratic policy. Her further fallacy is that socialism is about being kind to other people and the fallacy that capitalism is about being selfish and cruel.

See what I mean--essentially dishonest but tied up with a tidy bow.

John D. Rockefeller probably gave away more money to others than anyone in human history, but no one was more capitalistic. On the other hand, Stalin, a Communist, looked after himself and his friends with lavish luxuries while the population starved. Waybread's rationale is warped.

Waybread may deny it, but we can intuit her politics by her criticism of other viewpoints and her tactics in doing so. While I believe that her convictions are few, I don't doubt that she has her pet theories about society, and most particularly, she likes to upset the apple cart by criticizing anything that was not proposed by her first.

The Left, including so-called moderates like Hillary Clinton, wants to concentrate power into the hands of government elites to achieve the following purposes: central planning of the economy and the radical redistribution of wealth. Jesus showed no tendencies to support such policies. In fact, he goes in the opposite direction.

Nowhere in the New Testament does Jesus advocate for the government to punish the rich or to allocate tax money to the poor. Jesus does not advocate for state ownership of businesses or central planning of the economy. Most of us are more than a little familiar with the lies that come from the Left.

In Luke 12 Jesus is confronted by a man who wants Jesus to redistribute wealth.

"Master", says the man, "tell my brother to divide the inheritance with me."

Jesus replies, "Man, who made me a judge or divider over you?"

Then Jesus rebukes the man for being envious of his sibling.

How about the parable of the talents? [Matthew 25:14] Jesus frequently used parables to attack complicated topics. Talents were a form of money in his day.

As the parable goes, a wealthy man entrusted three of his workers each with a share of his wealth. The two workers who invested the money were praised by the wealthy man, but the third worker, who buried his share so he wouldn't lose any of it, was reprimanded.

Jesus talked about the difficulty for a rich man to enter heaven, but not because money is evil. It was the love of money that leads to evil. Jesus warned about greed or acquisitiveness, but not wealth. He was no leftie. He was opposed to putting materialism above our spiritual lives.

When he kicked the money changers out of the temple, he was condemning the lack of reverence and lack of purpose. He did not attack money changers in the markets.

Jesus advised to be of generous spirit; to show kindness; to assist a widow and an orphan. He clearly means this to be our responsibility, not the government's.

Consider Jesus's parable of the Good Samaritan. [Luke 10:25] A traveler comes upon a man on the side of the road who has been robbed and injured by vicious highwaymen. The Samaritan helps the unfortunate victim on the spot with his own resources. Ask yourself. Would Jesus prefer that you help the poor by giving freely of yourself, or to Salvation Army, for instance, or be taxed by politicians in order to fund a welfare state? Leftists often believe they are more "Christian" than believers who claim to be, but leftists are deranged in that way, and they lie as a matter of policy.

Leftists often quote Jesus when he says, "Render unto Caesar things that are Caesar's and to God things that are God's." That has nothing to do with high taxes or wealth redistribution. It was the seed for the idea of separating church and state. It is certainly not saying that whatever Caesar claims must be his or whatever he demands must be his.

There is no evidence that Jesus was a socialist, or anything approaching a socialist. That claim is based on the claim of Leftists that they are kind people and that capitalists are cruel. We know what a lie that is, and we know the many lies of the Left. There is lots of evidence that he supported free markets.

Consider Jesus's parable of the workers in the vineyard. [Matthew 20] A wealthy man hires some workers to pick grapes. After hiring several, he realizes he will need more workers. In order to recruit them, he offers the same full day's wages to the newcomers who were hired later who would work only a single hour. But one of the other workers complains that the practice is unfair. Why should those who work only one hour receive the same wage as the workers who worked a full day?

The wealthy landowner says, "I'm not being unfair to you; didn't you agree to work for the wage offered? Don't I have the right to do what I want with my own money?"

That's a testament to the principles of supply and demand; of private property; and of voluntary contracts, NOT SOCIALISM or anything approaching socialism.

Jesus never endorsed the forced redistribution of wealth, an idea rooted in envy, something that Jesus condemned.

Jesus loved people: not the state.
 
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leomoon

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Perhaps the underlying "reason" why the "right misunderstands the left" has to do with how brains of the conservative, especially far right people, operate says the latest science who studied them along with so called Left political people.


Seems the underlying problem is FEAR. Fear of the unknown? Fear of the known? Fear of??



The right seems to have a more acute fear level they react to vs the others. Remember, as human beings, we are all part of the animal /mammal world and retain automatic "survival instincts"...


When you "feel" threatened and fear for your eventual demise , you tend to congregate with like minded to increase your numbers to survive.

Wouldn't you agree with this theory Waybread? :unsure:
examples:
fear of the minorities gaining in numbers
fear of the word "socialism" not understanding its merits if democratic
fear of not "winning" your side, (much like a football game ) perhaps drummed in from little on up - and not having a more comprehensive world view. :unsure:



This phenomenon we are seeing today (1/2 the country), was brought to the surface as unconscious and conscious fears playing out in the open thanks to their leader DJT over the past 4 years who gave permission for what we are seeing. What was felt internally and use to be considered questionable behavior has become more acceptable with the growing numbers and permission given over the past 4 yrs.





https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...omplete-psychological-analysis-trumps-support
 

Cary2

Banned
Right-wing view of what a "Leftist" is:

A leftist is anyone who wants to tax the extremely wealthy to help those without enough money to live a decent life.

A leftist is anyone who wants to prevent air and water pollution.

A leftist is anyone who wants to preserve the wilderness.

A leftist is anyone who wants to prevent police brutality.

But these days, it boils down to one thing: A leftist is anyone who doesn't bow down to Trump as Lord and Master.

An elaborate insult wrapped up in a fairy tale. Hoaxes, smears and lies.
 

Cary2

Banned
Perhaps the underlying "reason" why the "right misunderstands the left" has to do with how brains of the conservative, especially far right people, operate says the latest science who studied them along with so called Left political people.


Seems the underlying problem is FEAR. Fear of the unknown? Fear of the known? Fear of??



The right seems to have a more acute fear level they react to vs the others. Remember, as human beings, we are all part of the animal /mammal world and retain automatic "survival instincts"...


When you "feel" threatened and fear for your eventual demise , you tend to congregate with like minded to increase your numbers to survive.

Wouldn't you agree with this theory Waybread? :unsure:
examples:
fear of the minorities gaining in numbers
fear of the word "socialism" not understanding its merits if democratic
fear of not "winning" your side, (much like a football game ) perhaps drummed in from little on up - and not having a more comprehensive world view. :unsure:



This phenomenon we are seeing today (1/2 the country), was brought to the surface as unconscious and conscious fears playing out in the open thanks to their leader DJT over the past 4 years who gave permission for what we are seeing. What was felt internally and use to be considered questionable behavior has become more acceptable with the growing numbers and permission given over the past 4 yrs.





https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...omplete-psychological-analysis-trumps-support

The Leftists tend to blame the death of Malcolm X on the entire white race. They tend to blame slavery on those with white skin. Then they act superior because that is what the Left does.
 

Oddity

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Are you caring, compassionate leftists happy about the way the Dr Seuss estate was pressured into cancelling itself (National Education Association, 'academics and experts')? Did you read Dr Seuss books as a kid? Did you read them to your kids? Do you actually believe they contain hurtful racist caricatures?



Will you come to the defence of Dr Seuss? This is a serious question, btw.
 

david starling

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Are you caring, compassionate leftists happy about the way the Dr Seuss estate was pressured into cancelling itself (National Education Association, 'academics and experts')? Did you read Dr Seuss books as a kid? Did you read them to your kids? Do you actually believe they contain hurtful racist caricatures?



Will you come to the defence of Dr Seuss? This is a serious question, btw.

So many flawed geniuses throughout history.

Do we throw out the good contributions because of the flaws?
 

Oddity

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Do we, David? Do we judge the art on the morality of the artist, especially if their standards fell 'short' of what the left says is moral today? If so, we may as well cancel all art and culture and achievements right now.


Agree or disagree?



Do we keep Dr Seuss, and Shakespeare, and Jefferson?
 

david starling

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Do we, David? Do we judge the art on the morality of the artist, especially if their standards fell 'short' of what the left says is moral today? If so, we may as well cancel all art and culture and achievements right now.


Agree or disagree?



Do we keep Dr Seuss, and Shakespeare, and Jefferson?

Keep them, and the Ford and the VW.
 

leomoon

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The Leftists tend to blame the death of Malcolm X on the entire white race. They tend to blame slavery on those with white skin. Then they act superior because that is what the Left does.


I consider myself "left of center" for sure - and quite progressive for my age group. However, I don't blame slavery for those with white skin, and I don't blame the Death of Malcom X on anyone because I don't know much about him or his death.



Best not to "assume" anything. Wasn't he promoting violence?
If so, I'm a peacenik at heart so would not have been interested anyway in his speeches if it promoted lashing out. I followed MLK Jr. and still do.
 

leomoon

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Are you caring, compassionate leftists happy about the way the Dr Seuss estate was pressured into cancelling itself (National Education Association, 'academics and experts')? Did you read Dr Seuss books as a kid? Did you read them to your kids? Do you actually believe they contain hurtful racist caricatures?



Will you come to the defence of Dr Seuss? This is a serious question, btw.


I was never a "Green eggs & ham" person, but I could appreciate his books for children at the same time. I think I had one for the kids, but not as a habit.


I don't know the reason "why" they think its no longer suitable for children, and I do think people can go overboard on all things and this seems to be one of them.


Oh, and I AM definitely, a "caring, compassionate moderate/leftist.


Oh, and I cannot stand/stomach this guy (Ted Cruz) with his recitation of "Green Eggs & Ham" :(

He's simply likes to take center stage imo.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iDo4GM-XTw&feature=emb_logo
 

leomoon

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My favorite child's poet was the late songwriter Shel Silverstein. - He was a bit of a hippie type and hung out at Playboy Mansion, BUT he was a heck of a poet too.


He first started writing poems for children because his own child who he didn't raise personally, was very sick with cancer - He supported her and her family and wrote poetry for her:




21 Short and Sweet Shel Silverstein Poems That’ll Bring You Back to Childhood

  1. “Invitation” Where the Sidewalk Ends.
  2. “Runny’s Heading Rabits” Runny Babbit.
  3. “Homework Machine” A Light in the Attic.
  4. “For Sale” Where the Sidewalk Ends.
  5. “Gardener” Falling Up Special Edition.
  6. “Falling Up” Falling Up.
  7. “The Wild Cherote” Don’t Bump the Glump.
Oh, and he was a talented artist - ALL images drawn here were done by him for his books:


https://www.harpercollins.com/blogs/harperkids/shel-silverstein-poems#:~:text=%2021%20Short%20and%20Sweet%20Shel%20Silverstein%20Poems,Cherote%E2%80%9D%20Don%E2%80%99t%20Bump%20the%20Glump.%20%20More




He also wrote a poem about Astrology signs:


I did a cleaned up version when I once typed it out, but you can read it here: It's called "Man who got no sign" :biggrin: Its quite funny if you read it through -

https://www.poemhunter.com/poem/man-who-got-no-sign/


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shel_Silverstein


https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Silverstein,_Shel
 
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