Rebel Uranian
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What on a chart indicates mental issues for sure?
There are no "for sure" placements that indicate mental issues that are presently shared on public sites as far as I know. The term "mental issues" is a broad one, no-one gets the perfect chart so everyone will have issues of some sort to deal with. Progressions and transits would also have to be looked at to identify the stronger planetary patterns that coincide with the onset of problems. You might want to do a google on transiting pluto conjunct natal mercury in the 12th so that you can get an idea of how it should manifest for you, as you have this combo at the moment!
Yes, there are no "for sure" specific indicators of mental problems: but quite a few combinations and placements can indicate a strong susceptibility to such problems: EVERY planet, in its disruptive phase or circumstances or combinations, can point in such directions: eg, a "too strong" Saturn OR a "too weak" (afflicted) Sun can both point toward depressive tendencies. Also, house placements can be important: obviously the first and sixth houses, but also very importantly the 3rd house (researches of Charles Carter; also teachings in Vedic astrology) and of course, as Caprising mentioned above, the 12th can be very important. Since the 5th has to do with the "pleasure principle", and the 8th with sexual functions, these additional houses often play an important role in psychological imbalances. Affections of "brain chemisty" can be indicated by the Moon, nervous system dysfuntions by Mercury (and also Uranus), (so called) subconscious conflicts by Saturn, Neptune, Pluto; anger and frustration and results of blockages/obstacles to the expression of the Will, connect with Mars (and to a certain extent with the Sun as well) A smashed down ego (and the effects of this) connect with the Sun, and "ego-mania" also with the Sun (and Mars; often also Jupiter).
...there is very much more to this subject-it is, indeed a deep one, and an ancient one as well-Ptolemy devoted a couple chapters of the "Tetrabiblos" specifically to this subject (back in the early 2nd century AD)...
We need to look at the chart of a mentally challenged person rather than looking just for the aspects at random and in general. However:What on a chart indicates mental issues for sure?
Yes transits and progressions trigger what is innate in the birth chart.ASC indicates body ,MOON indicates mind and MER indicates intelect . If they are under heavy affliction then inauspicious transit and period ( DASHA ) can creat a mental issue .
I'd agree with that. Mercury sq or opposite Uranus can bring some erratic behavior and thoughts. Mercury in bad aspect to Neptune would show mental issues due to abuse of drugs or alcohol, esp if either is retrograde.Uranus with Mercury madness, eccentricity and often genius
Neptune with Mercury confusion, addiction causes, delusional
I know two persons who are clinically diagnosed as bipolar. Both have Mercury (bad aspect) Moon, and one has moon opposition mars square mercury, and the other moon conjunct pluto opposition mercury.
Maybe is a coincidence.
I think anyone who can honestly say that they have this understanding, even to the smallest degree, must also say that interpretations such as an angry, violent Mars or a confused, junkie Neptune are just plain wrong. All of the planets are more noble by nature than we have here recognised.
Every planet, everything in the universe that has more than 2 dimensions has 2 or more sides. No one is saying Mars, or Neptune or any planet is bad. We are talking about aspects between planets which may or may not point to difficulties with mental issues. It's a sincere question, and people are trying to give sincere answers.Originally Posted by Mark
I think anyone who can honestly say that they have this understanding, even to the smallest degree, must also say that interpretations such as an angry, violent Mars or a confused, junkie Neptune are just plain wrong. All of the planets are more noble by nature than we have here recognised.
I say I totally agree. Neptune is the most picked on planet besides Saturn, and Saturn isn't even in that bad of a state currently. My favorite planets are still the "malefic" ones.
IMO divine g you have misunderstood Mark on this particular point.Every planet, everything in the universe that has more than 2 dimensions has 2 or more sides. No one is saying Mars, or Neptune or any planet is bad. We are talking about aspects between planets which may or may not point to difficulties with mental issues. It's a sincere question, and people are trying to give sincere answers.
No one said the heavens are broken. People are broken, turn on the News. I dont know why someone on an astrology board, keeps repeatedly claiming that the planets have nothing to do with people's behaviors, it's really just outrageous, and a smack in the face to any passionate astrologer. And Im talking to Mark here. Stop arguing just to argue, it's childish, and getting old. Astrology is a Science, and Science is based on observation. All you have to do is check natal charts of real life people and see the patterns, and know without a doubt that the positions of planets affect human beings, many times in predictable ways, whether you philosophically agree with it or not.
If you want to add on to this thread, maybe give a helpful answer to the actual question, before going on some meaningless, better than thou rant. And if u dont believe in the basic premise of astrology, that the planets affect human psychology, then stay out of astrological discussions on astrological forums.
Furthermore, because RebelUranian clearly agrees with Mark and RebelUranian began this thread so obviously, since Mark's answer is one with which RebelUranian is in accord, for you divine g to suggest that Mark 'stays out of astrological discussions on astrological forums' is IMO an inappropriate judgement on your part in this caseAs an astrologer, I can't say that planets rule emotions or mental difficulties. That seems to be a cognitive shortcut caused by needing to work with material without having all the answers (i.e. newbie mistake). These are just the questions to which we seek answers, so we are projecting ourselves onto the heavens. We've all done it, but it's still not right. The planets represent facets of personality, facets of existence, and extant forces, but not "anger" and "illusions." Their true values and associations can only be known by those who are extensively familiar with them. If you've only experienced one side of a "planet," then you can't truly understand it. When one allows these forces to be what they are and examines them for such, instead of telling them what they should be, then one can develop an understanding. I think anyone who can honestly say that they have this understanding, even to the smallest degree, must also say that interpretations such as an angry, violent Mars or a confused, junkie Neptune are just plain wrong. All of the planets are more noble by nature than we have here recognised. It's not the heavens that are broken.
I say I totally agree. Neptune is the most picked on planet besides Saturn, and Saturn isn't even in that bad of a state currently. My favorite planets are still the "malefic" ones.
By the way, emotions are problems! JK. We need to stop letting out cultural standards determine our perceptions and start breaking out and thinking for ourselves. That's my "sensitivity, rationality, skepticism" process inspiration. There's probably a better version.
First of all why do you put "planet" in quotation marks, as if planets don't exist? You see, this is what I'm talking about, there is a subtle anti-astrology slant to his views, and it doesn't help anyone looking to astrology for sincere answers! His whole premise here is off, and totally against the THE VERY PRINCIPLE that astrology is based on. Whether or not Rebel Uranian agrees with him or not is irrelevant, because it doesn't mean that he's right. It is the MOST BASIC LANGUAGE of astrology to say planets have RULERSHIP over certain facets of human life. So for Mark to suggest that planets don't rule anything is ABSURD! Then to condescendingly call people "newbies" is absolutely offensive, and a smack in the face to yes, even to the most elementary astrologer.As an astrologer, I can't say that planets rule emotions or mental difficulties. That seems to be a cognitive shortcut caused by needing to work with material without having all the answers (i.e. newbie mistake). These are just the questions to which we seek answers, so we are projecting ourselves onto the heavens. If you've only experienced one side of a "planet," then you can't truly understand it.
I agree with Caprising and Doc' Farr,there are no for sure placements.
May I suggest Stephen Fry's chart,born 24 August 1957,Hampstead,time?
He is also President of the UK charity Mind.
J.R.R.
..can't forget Mars which rules anger could have a role to play in emotional issues, as the classic term for that was going "mad". Mars and his anger can be a real gateway to bad places..
Any personal planet conjunct Pluto or opposite Pluto is going to have a hell of a battle on their hands. And a badly aspected Mars to an outer planet, as we see with Manson's Mars conjunct Neptune, can present big, long-term, very hard to control problems. It is very hard to come back from Neptune once you get caught in its undercurrents..
No one is saying any planet is all "good" or "bad" here. In that respect, one could be considered a "newbie" if they thought that way. We are simply denoting bad aspects here. And each planet, as I said before has its polarity. Let's remember these are actual PLANETS, shaped like spheres with North and South Poles.
Uranus with Mercury madness, eccentricity and often genius
Neptune with Mercury confusion, addiction causes, delusional
And as for RebelUranian, I believe he started a thread questioning the existence of God, so I wont even bother responding to him, as he apparently cant tell his behind from his elbow..smh.