I got that from Walter Pullen's calculations to determine the chart ruler. I am pretty sure it isn't a traditional method but I figured when I said it there might be some parallels.
Uh, okay. I have no idea who that is, but I get the parallel thing.
Traditional Astrology is very hierarchical.
Just as there is an hierarchy of charts (I listed them on another thread starting with the Grand Conjunction -- your Natal Chart would be ~7th in the pecking order), there are hierarchies for the Planets in your chart and all relevant topics, starting with:
Chart Ruler
Sect Ruler
Ascendant Ruler
Ascending Sign Ruler
Each Topical House/Sign
The Chart Ruler is the Planet that has the greatest amount of Dignity in certain select Chart Points, plus strengths based on House location and locational Dignity.
The certain select Points are the Ascendant, Sun, Moon, Lunar Ascendant (Lot of Fortune) and pre-Natal Moon (by position).
Most people use either ibn Ezra's method, or Omar's method, you can, too. I use a variation of ibn Ezra's method, because I have some issues.
He gives 2 points to Planets in the 12th House and 1 to the 6th House; I reverse that, giving a Planet in the 6th House 2 points and one in the 12th House 1 point.
I should mention these are actually Signs, meaning the 6th Sign and not the 6th House in the chart.
Ibn Ezra also gives 5 points to the Sign Ruler, 4 points to the Exaltation Ruler and 3 points for a Planet in its Triplicity. I give 5 points for Exaltation Ruler, 4 for the Sign Ruler, 3 for Triplicity if the Planet is in-Sect, 2 points for the participating Triplicity Ruler, and 1 point if the Planet is not in-Sect.
8 times out of 10, we both pick the same Planet as Chart Ruler.
Then I started using Abu-Ali's method -- Bonatti uses a variation of his--- which I find to be more comprehensive and logical.
Once you've identified the Chart Ruler, examine it's condition, and you can bet the farm that at the end of the day, on average, that's how your life will turn out.
Naturally, that judgment is made within the scheme of other hierarchies, namely Socio-Economic Class, Culture & Environment.
So....a mediocre Chart Ruler would mean that within your SECC&R your life is mediocre, but compared to another person in a different SECC&R your life could be better.....or worse.
Sect Ruler doctrines are FUBAR due to poor misunderstanding and bad text translations. Most people understand the Sect Ruler to be either the Sun in a Day Chart, or Moon in a Night Chart.
It don't work that way.
The Sect Ruler is the most powerful Planet in the Sect.....how do you determine that? I have no idea, but common sense and logic dictates that an Out-of-Sect Planet cannot be Sect Ruler. "
What if they're all Out-of-Sect?" Well, gosh, golly, by darn, I guess they're all equally debilitated and so you'll have to look at something else, like Dignity.
The Sect Ruler governs your health and vitality as it relates to your physical/mental constitution.
A powerful Sect Ruler is less likely to become ill/diseased, or injured, and if they do, the illness/disease or injury isn't as damaging, and they recover much faster than the average person would.
Take someone with Type I Diabetes. If the Sect Ruler is strong, no big deal; but if it is weak, then they'll end up having limbs (extremities) amputated because of it. If Sect Ruler happens to be also be the Light of the Sect -- Sun or Moon -- and in an Azieme Degree, then they'll eventually lose their eyesight.
The Ascendant Ruler is the Planet that has the greatest Dignity in the Ascendant Point. Most people use a weighted scoring system, which I think is silly and contrary to the entire purpose.
On the Natal Forum they pull their hair over stupid stuff like, "
S/he has a Cancer Ascendant, but they're nothing like a Cancer."
Doh! No kidding. Why don't you look at the Bound Ruler, see what condition it's in and whether or not it aspects the Ascending Sign, and then figure out the Ascendant Ruler -- which could be Mars.
Anyway, that's your basic hierarchical structure.
Ah so I do have a day chart. I thought my PM birth made it a night chart, huge mistake.
It's based on the Sun's location in the sky. So long as the Sun falls Above Earth in the 7th through 12th Houses it's a day chart.
Note that in a Day Chart, Sun is in-Sect if and only if Sun is in a Masculine Quadrant and Sign or House.... or both Sign and House (if in Quadrant II).
In other words, if Sun is in the 10th, 11th or 12th Signs, then Sun is in a Masculine Quadrant and in-Sect, and then if Sun is in the 11th, or in a Masculine Sign in the 10th or 12th, then Sun is in Hayz.
The 7th, 8th and 9th Houses comprise the Feminine Quadrant (Quad II)
Sun in a Masculine Sign in the 8th is in-Sect, but nothing more.
Sun in 7th or 9th is in-Sect, and if in a Masculine Sign, then also in Hayz.
Question; would that mean the calculation of my Part of Fortune must use the Day formula?
Yes.
Depending on whether I use the day or night formula it ends up at 10 degrees Sagittarius or 18 degrees Aquarius respectively. The astrodienst calculator places it in Sagittarius but I thought it might be incorrect based on something I read about AM/PM birth times.
I don't know about Astrodienst. Maybe they calculate it correctly. Someone else can answer that.
I see. So Mars will disrupt Saturn's influence. I had no idea, superficially they look like they're in harmony.
Mars has separated from the trine with Saturn.
So again I have planets that are just not in tune with Saturn, though not necessarily working against it it like the Moon and Mars, or would they be actively opposed the way the Moon and Mars are?
Saturn in your chart is a positive thing, but it would be more helpful to have Venus in a nice aspect with Saturn. Because Capricorn is Jupiter's Fall, Jupiter cannot really help, and in fact would hurt, unless Jupiter were in Pisces moving to a sextile of Capricorn Saturn.
I can certainly see where this conflict manifests in my life, purely as a constant underlying emotional current where my Martian side grates against my emotional nature. I had a lot of conflict with my mother in my adolescence, that sounds like a manifestation of this aspect, at least one way it could've gone. She was always very supportive but far too overprotective. I was always very angry with her and had difficulty showing appreciation. It felt like my willfulness was in conflict with her emotional state and the dynamic always ended on a negative note for both of us. My father was absent for the second half of my adolescence; my mother divorced him on allegations of sexually abusing my siblings and I, the divorce took a very long time and the dynamic that played out at home was always harsh. I had a hard time controlling my temper and would end up going from very calm to smashing up the house or getting into really explosive arguments, usually in response to my mother having an emotional breakdown which happened frequently. She put me on psychiatric medication when I was 12 and once had me arrested to be sent to the psychiatric ward, which is kind of comical in a dark way considering the Moon's lunar loony side. Very very irrational behavior looking back at it all.
In every chart, Natal, Solar Return, Mundane, Horary and Electional a separating aspect indicates something in the past.
"But it's a Natal Chart, I don't have a past."
Yes, you do.
The time from Conception to Birth, and even before that. Your parents already had problems and issues before you were born, so you're not the cause or the problem.
I'd be very interested in any opinion you have on how that Moon/Mars dynamic could be expressed in a more positive way. I don't want to carry anything like that dynamic into my adult life.
I think you're doing it. Mercury in Virgo is pushing management on Mars. I use Egyptian Terms and not Ptolemy's Pterms or Lily's Terms. Mercury is in the Bound of Mars, so Mars receives Mercury and is granting Mercury permission to act.
Uh, you are rational, right? That's a good thing. The 9th is Cadent, and so kind of weak, but a trine outranks a sextile -- where Moon is Angular (especially here since it's a right sextile and a right trine).
That is interesting about the grand trine not applying, I've never had anyone say that or determined with my own research but it makes sense with Saturn's contrary movement. It's good that square doesn't apply either as it would probably be a pretty harsh aspect.
Once Planets separate from an aspect, they're done.
Some of the texts suggest that so long as they are still in Moiety Orb, there's a lasting effect. I dispute that, because I don't see it, and because half the words in Romanian are Latin and the connotation or message those particular Latin words convey is of an imprint or impression.
I don't know squat about Greek, Arabic or Farsi, so I can't speak to those texts.
It's a "
lasting impression," and not a "
lasting effect." Is that splitting hairs? I don't know. I'd settle for "
lingering effect" (less permanence).
The imperfect Mars/Jupiter sextile I've seen manifest in my relationships with significant others. Mars always chasing an ideal expansive and philosophically grounded love which never quite happens. Funnily enough it's something about Mars that always seems to turn them off. Either I'm too angry, too slow, too stubborn, too twisted, too damaged, it always seems to be something about my Mars. I get plenty of the lunar attention from significant others but Mars hates it and doesn't appreciate it at all.
Retrograde Saturn in your 1st House would make you "too slow and "too stubborn" (but not because Saturn is in the 1st House, rather because Saturn participates with Moon, Mercury and the Ascendant Point Ruler in determining your mannerisms and characteristics).
With Virgo Mercury in the 9th, you're not "too slow" rather you're reserved and try to avoid making hasty decisions.
The Mars thing, well, the first applying aspect Moon makes is to Mars, so that's the kind of woman that you'd idealize, at least initially.
