Adolf Hitler?

tikana

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templeton said:
I actually don't think you can pinpoint someone's ascendant based on their deeds. I was basing my theory on his facial features and expressions which seem to fit the descriptions of Scorpio, at least the ones I've read. Being able to dazzle an audience does not solely fall under Libra's domain, there are many gifted public speakers with different rising signs.

There were a lot of rumours that spread after Hitler's death, with regards to his sexual orientation and psychological makeup. A lot of the rumours were published and taken as fact, but very few of them can actually be corroborated. It is easier for people to try and paint him as a monster or a sexual deviant, anything less than human.

With that being said, he may very well have contracted syphilis during his youth but we simply cannot verify this. He had numerous romantic liaisons and casual affairs with women during his time in power. That seems to directly contradict the notion that he was gay or had homosexual tendencies. Can you point me to your source? I mean, something beyond speculative rumor. Because I haven't read anything that conclusively proves that he was.
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??? what? direct statements from the witnesses who actually knew hitler are not enough? try googling .. no one argues about hitler's birth time it is pretty much accurate... no one knows if he was bi, straight, asexual, one thing is known Eva Braun and Adolf were always sleeping in separate beds.

speaking of looks, i have a leo rising.. i have lunar face, when my chart was rectified, 2 astrologers thought i was cancer rising because of my face, rounded eyes and lunar type of lips. I had to contradict that cause
facial features are genetical. finally my chart was rectified properly and i am late leo rising. not a single event in my life matched cancer rising.

yeah he had women in his life.... look at what happeend to them... 1 direct relative,
btw.. adolf hitler's sexuality was discussed on " the history channell's Hitler's women"
adolf hitler's personal secretary said that hitler was sleeping in different beds

try this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_of_Adolf_Hitler

or read "Young Hitler I knew" by August Kubizek *he knew Hitler personally"

i havent attempted to seduce hitler so i dont know what his sexual life was like if anything

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blacksun?

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gimzo23 said:
Yeah I saw that one, but thought there must have been something else adding to such an extreme case of luck in staying alive? Maybe there's some fixed stars or certain planetary degrees or something, I don't know.
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To explain the enromous magical powers of his personality look at his Pluto Neptune conjunction biquintile his ascendant, and Neptune quintiling Saturn, dragging along Pluto:

Saturn quintile Neptune:

You are gifted at creating glamour and illusion, or at grounding your ideals and dreams into practical reality. You could be an excellent movie producer, magician or politician. You can ignite people�s imagination and use imagery and emotion to sway them to your way of thinking. You might also be a spiritual advisor and guide, as your ideals are deeply grounded in the real world, and your faith and insight are based on solid foundations. You give expression to your awareness within the context of day to day challenges and problems. Your imagination and insights are creatively dramatic, playful and exciting, giving great impact to your expressions.

Saturn quintile Pluto:

You are masterful at wielding power and holding positions of authority. It is very likely that you will gravitate to executive positions and/or amass great wealth. You have an uncanny business instinct. You are highly sensitive and perceptive, and you penetrate to the essence of whatever or whomever you direct your attention to. Despite being of a rather serious and intense temperament, you can utilize surprise, play and creativity to great effect, which makes you an excellent leader or teacher. You may be gifted in the physical sciences.

http://members.wizzards.net/~magyan/Saturn_Aspects.html
 
CapAquaPis

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We try to explain the causes of evil and tyranny of infamous leaders in astrology and Hitler was an example of the abuses of power, he unleashed the hatred of humanity by scapegoating of ethnic or religious minorities (esp. against Jews in Germany and later Nazi occupied Europe) and used bigotry/prejudice to justified his hatred towards them (i.e. the first step of the Holocaust was the Nuremberg "race" Laws) to isolated half a million German Jews and millions of more partially Jewish-German people from their liberties and public Life. The Nazi regime's diabolical unspeakable horrors should never happen again and our times recognized the powerful lesson of prevention of genocide and officialized racism or religious persecution, as well Hitler stomped democracy and started a war.
 
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MSO

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I was watching a show about the Nazis just last night, actually. It was about the Nazi's occult practices.

In the show, they mentioned that an astrologer predicted Hitler would die in 1945, surviving a great danger, then falling ill and dying. I'd like to know a little bit more about this, if anyone has any information. Apparently, some upper members of the SS were planning a coup or something.
 
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MSO said:
I was watching a show about the Nazis just last night, actually. It was about the Nazi's occult practices.

In the show, they mentioned that an astrologer predicted Hitler would die in 1945, surviving a great danger, then falling ill and dying. I'd like to know a little bit more about this, if anyone has any information. Apparently, some upper members of the SS were planning a coup or something.
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The post WWII book by Himmler's (forced to be) astrologer, entitled "Zodiac and Swastika", is interesting-its available to be read on the skyscript website...
 
VenusInTaurus

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I have Sun in Taurus and Moon in Capricorn just like him! Ask me me how I feel about that! :sick:

Anyways, his Ascendant is obviously in Scorpio. Just purely based on observations. His Birth time is inaccurate. His birth time was probably 7PM not 6:30Pm, making his Ascendant fall on 1 degree Scorpio.
 
Vagabondgirl

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athan said:
I don't know why but I have always taken him for a Scorpio ascedant guy...and now just looking at the picture...I don't find him as a handsome Libra..more like a decisive nose and jaw Scorpio...His complexion reminds me of a Scorpio cousin of mine....
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Yeah, because we associate him with "dark and evil" which is typically a scorpio trait... Maybe he has something going in in the 8th house, cant remember his chart exactly. My brother has libra rising, and he is not the typical handsome guy. Thats just a stereotype I think.
 
athan

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Vagabondgirl said:
Yeah, because we associate him with "dark and evil" which is typically a scorpio trait... Maybe he has something going in in the 8th house, cant remember his chart exactly. My brother has libra rising, and he is not the typical handsome guy. Thats just a stereotype I think.
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Could be the stereos jumping in...although I don't find Scorpios ''dark and evil''
(silly me..)
 
athan

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tikana said:
here is his natal chart

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Here's his chart posted from Tikana...
 
Vagabondgirl

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Neptune and Pluto in the 8th would probably give him an interest in the occult, like an interest in something "spiritual" but with pluto manipulation might be involved. Some say he was into "black magic" and the occult. Where he got the Nazi cross from, its kind of a spiritual/occult symbole. Neptune/Pluto in gemini, ruled by mercury. Mercury in the 7th, so could indicate this occult symbole from the 8th house used in public (7th house).

Mercury-Uranus opposition at the AC-DC line, Uranus conj. AC and Mercury conj. DC would make his extreme oppinions surface in public, the cardinal houses have to do with the public. He also has saturn in the 10th.

Venus and Mars are also in the 7th, so extreme passion regarding the public or with partners. Saturn is square this Venus/Mars conjunction, both in cardinal houses. Maybe some supressed feelings of love and sexual life, inhibitions, being humiliated earlier somehow and developing some repression from that. Feeling of being inferior regarding love and sex could drive one to this need to feel superior... Punishing himself through this repressed drive somehow, or punishing others.

The mercury-uranus opposition gives a really restless exaggerated mind!

My partner has this, and he is really into politics and needs to be involved in all kind of mind stimulating things. Has strong oppinions and often disagrees in debates. Though he debates alot!!! Not that these two are anything alike!
 
CapAquaPis

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I sense Adolf Hitler and civil rights Martin Luther King Jr. are total polar opposites on the same issues they strongly and differently felt about politics, religion, pacifism vs. war-mongering, the uses of science & philosophy, racialism & ethnicism, legality or the law, morality/ethics, and most concerned on the civil rights of humanity.

This calls for a whole different topic thread and need the astrological natal star charts (I'm sure are widely available) of Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. A cosmic duality of "good" vs. "evil" in the 20th century/ the final chapter of the 2nd millennia AD is heightened when Hitler and MLK are compared including natal star charts, and notice the lesson of world history: "Good always truimphes over Evil."
 
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Darth MI

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Cultural Environment VS Natal Chart

As you seen Sworm and I stated repeatedly hundreds of times about Adolf Hitler, despite how the astrologers constantly try to spin his chart into a sadistic murderer. back during the 1930s and 40s there was nothing wrong with his racist worldview.

In fact Adolf Hitler was actually quite mellow during his time period. He personally never got a pistol and shot down Jews randomly and even helped Jews who he considered friends escape from Nazi Germany. Long before his rise in power, he had lots of Jewish friends in Vienna.

The fact is despite how people try to point out placements in his chart to explain how racist and bloodthirsty he is (I even seen one self-proclaimed veteran of astrology point out to Saturn in his 10th house to explain his "hatred of foreigners"), the average Westerner (NOTE:Westerner, not just German) actually applauded his vocal hatred of Jews and nonwhites. During Hitler's youth in Vienna, riots against Jews were already occurring and the local newspaper was putting slanders against the Jewish community. Even nations who suffered tremendously as a result of Nazi genocidal policy such as Poland and Ukraine had its citizens (who were being sent to camps and starving to death or being experimented in labs,etc) who supported the Nazis simply to kill Jews for the hell of it. The Nazis didn't even approach them, many soldiers in Ukraine happily volunteered to shootdown Jews using Ukrainian resources for a targetting gallery.

If its saying something, Claus Von Stauffenberg, the man who attempted the most famous assassination operation against Hitler, believed Poles were so subhuman they deserved to be enslaved and despised Jews as not being "real Germans". Stauffenberg was actually more left-leaning than most in the Nazi party at the time and he made such statements before he even got affiliated with the Nazis personally.

So this is one thing I am interested in discussing about. I seen so many astrologers pull stuff out of nowhere to spin a natal chart so they match the schoolbook images of celebrity.

A most irritating example is Alexander of Macedonia who many astrologers rectify as having Aries Ascendant. We don't even know his birthday yet already astrologers had done rectification with a sure opinion, pointing out to his warmongering nature and aggressive personality that is prone to starting fights among his comrades and creating accidents like a fire that burned down a palace.

Thing is Alexander was the heir to the throne of a nation already known for its warlike tendencies. His father, Philip (who is praised as being a far more restrained man than Alexander was) spent his whole life fighting to unite Greece and even expected Alexander to increase his empire's territory. He would have been proud of all what Alexander accomplished in his life.

This is not even adding that Macedonia was situated in a rocky region where one had to be hardened merely to survive the environment and to add to the hassle intrusion from random warlike nomadic tribes were common. Every noble was expected to be hardened in war by the time they reach their late 20s and the nation was known for its citizenry who were among the finest citizen armies in Greece.

Even Greece as a whole was a warlike civilization. For Christ's sake, one of their most sacred religious celebration was the Olympics, an athletic contest often featuring sports heavily entwined with fighting such as javelin throwing. Ancient Athens, the most scholarly of the Greek cities, had a citizenship fit enough to march for miles in full armor and sports was considered an essential thing in a young Athenian man's education. Even the famous philosophers like Socrates were known to wrestle in the gyms and had fought in several battles in their life time.

When we take it all into account, Alexander's warmongering nature was a standard trait in the culture he was raised in so to automatically go with Aries ascendant is a slap in the face against that reality.

I really think astrologers are doing a terrible job by studying a chart in its isolation. When one studies celebrities like Hitler and George Washington, we must look at the standards of the time period and culture they were raised in.

Just like Hitler shows, despite his portrayal as a sadistic heartless psychopath in modern media, there was nothing wrong with his racist dogmas and most Germans would have eagerly accepted his views of killing Jews even if it were espoused by some random nobody. The fact Hitler used resources to save Jews is enough to contradict giving Scorpio as his Ascendant.
 
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Re: Cultural Environment VS Natal Chart

Darth MI said:
As you seen Sworm and I stated repeatedly hundreds of times about Adolf Hitler, despite how the astrologers constantly try to spin his chart into a sadistic murderer. back during the 1930s and 40s there was nothing wrong with his racist worldview....

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...Just like Hitler shows, despite his portrayal as a sadistic heartless psychopath in modern media, there was nothing wrong with his racist dogmas and most Germans would have eagerly accepted his views of killing Jews even if it were espoused by some random nobody. The fact Hitler used resources to save Jews is enough to contradict giving Scorpio as his Ascendant.
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Good interpretation of Hitler's chart:

Kaiousei no Senshi said:
Traditional interpretation of Hitler's chart a la John Frawley and the rules handed down via Ptolemy.

In Hitler's chart there is no strong planet...Jupiter is in its fall, Luna and Mars in their detriment, Mercury and Sol are peregrine. This is a strong indication of degeneracy of the nature. Even Venus, which has strength by virtue of falling in her own Sign, Taurus, is grievously handicapped by being retrograde and by its immediate contact with the two malefics, Mars and Saturn. This contact is all the more serious because both the malefics are weak, and the weaker the malefics are, the worse their effects. Occuring in fixed Signs, this gives an unshakeable malaise. With most of the planets above the horizon and in angular houses, this will find its outlet in the world: were the planets hidden below the horizon, Hitler would have spent his life thinking dreadful thoughts rather than acting them out...but with all these planets severly afflicted, the outcome is not so favorable. Ptolemy suggests that in these cases, it "makes his subjects robbers, pirates, adultereres, submissive to disgraceful treatement (we might recall Hitler's sexcual predilections), takers of base profits, godless, without affection, insulting, crafty, thieves, perjerers, murderers, poisoners, impious, robbers of temples and of tombs, and utterly depraved." All this would manifest through the degerately choleric temperament. The fixed-star lore of Ptolemaic tradition then fills the portrait out. Sol, Luna, and the Midheaven of Hitler's chart were all conjoined to malevolent fixed stars. These, by turns, were associated with "piled-up corpses", "destruction by fire or war", "unscrupulous defeat", and a "violent death".

No modern moonspeak necessary.
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http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8566
 
socrates

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loverofthestars said:
I always took him for a Scorpio Rising. He was manipulative, cruel, harsh, and exhibited the worse traits of that sign. Also, his features are sharper and angrier than a Libra Rising's would be. Compare Libra Ascendants like Halle Berry, Jennifer Lopez, and Elizabeth Taylor's soft features with his. It doesn't add up to being a Libra Rising to me.
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Dont forget his ruler Venus was conj Mars(loved war and was a WWI hero)
Of course Scorpio rising would place Saturn in 10th in WShouse.The current chart Mars-Venus are in 8th WSH

And he was an artist-not lucky in his native Austria.And dont Forget the culture-Austria is extremely masculine in its values
www.geert-hofstede.com
Check Austria http://geert-hofstede.com/austria.html in countries.Only Japan,Hungary and Slovakia have harseher masculine values
 
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HoldOrFold

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People... the sign of someone's ascendant is not going to dictate how good or evil they are.

It's pretty funny seeing people trying to make his ascendant Scorpio. As if having a Scorpio ascendant is going to make anyone more like Hitler, haha. Hitler wasn't anything like a Scorpio anyway.

Look towards his ruling planet, Venus conjunct Mars in Taurus square Saturn in Leo... that dynamic is what funnels through his ascendant.

Jupiter/Moon in Capricorn... Venus/Mars in earth signs square Saturn... it's going to make someone generally stern, methodical and calculating.

But anyone could have the same chart as Hitler and used it differently. We all have conscious choice in the end.
 
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