Cosmiccradle
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At what moment after conception if any would you say that the soul entered the body, and how would you define that astrologically in the chart?
And a very interesting post, thankyou. I hadn't heard of that yet.There is a certain esoteric tradition which talks about three "sealings" of the incarnating human spark into the body of matter: according to this tradition:
+the first sealing occurs at the exact conjunction of Sun + Moon, following conception; this sealing is of the bloodline, genetic "animal" elements forming the framework of the incarnating human spark
+the second sealing occurs at the Sun+Moon conjunction three "moons" later; this sealing is of the "higher" elements of the human spark into the prepared physical (actually physico-etheric) framework established under the first sealing;
+the third and final sealing occurs at the Sun+Moon conjunction three "moons" after the second sealing (ie, this would generally be at around 6 to 7 months after conception); this final sealing is of the "mundane" or ordinary consciousness-qualities of the incarnating individual, "set" between the original physical frame and the later higher elements (higher consciousness qualities)
According to this tradition, at the time of birth (actually at the moment the individual first breathes), the susceptability to cosmic influences set up in the "field" of the individual (by the prior 3 "sealings") determines which of the cosmic influences operative at the first-breath (birth time) will imprint, and how deeply they will imprint, and which cosmic influences will be resisted, and thus have a minimal imprinting impact.
...an interesting concept...
-the 3rd sealing "sets" the Water element qualities
-the birth (first breathing) time "sets" the Air element qualities
I was born three months premature (so perhaps before the third sealing) and have absolutely no water in my chart and 7 air elements...
Some additional considerations connected with the esoteric tradition mentioned above:
+relating to celestial pre-natal influences upon the subtle energy matrix of embryonic cells:
-the 1st sealing imprints the endodermic layer (from which stomach and lungs develop)
-the 2nd sealing imprints the mesodermic layer (from which, for example, the heart develops)
-the 3rd sealing imprints the ectodermic layer (from which, for example, nerve and brain cells develop)
+connecting with the modalities (modulations or "circulation") of subtle elemental qualities:
-the 1st sealing = the fixed modality
-the 2nd sealing = the cardinal modality
-the 3rd sealing = the mutable modality
+relating to the "fixing" or "setting" of subtle elemental qualities:
-the 1st sealing "sets" the Earth element qualities
-the 2nd sealing "sets" the Fire element qualities
-the 3rd sealing "sets" the Water element qualities
-the birth (first breathing) time "sets" the Air element qualities
Some additional considerations connected with the esoteric tradition mentioned above:
+relating to celestial pre-natal influences upon the subtle energy matrix of embryonic cells:
-the 1st sealing imprints the endodermic layer (from which stomach and lungs develop)
-the 2nd sealing imprints the mesodermic layer (from which, for example, the heart develops)
-the 3rd sealing imprints the ectodermic layer (from which, for example, nerve and brain cells develop)
+connecting with the modalities (modulations or "circulation") of subtle elemental qualities:
-the 1st sealing = the fixed modality
-the 2nd sealing = the cardinal modality
-the 3rd sealing = the mutable modality
+relating to the "fixing" or "setting" of subtle elemental qualities:
-the 1st sealing "sets" the Earth element qualities
-the 2nd sealing "sets" the Fire element qualities
-the 3rd sealing "sets" the Water element qualities
-the birth (first breathing) time "sets" the Air element qualities
Hello Jerry, would you run that by me in relation to the Epoch chart.All souls come into incarnation in the sign Cancer,which has been recognised down the ages as 'the doorway into life of those who must know death'
The moment that a man becomes aware of his own soul and is endeavouring to control his own 'path in life,' the influence of the planets, per se,definitely weakens and steadily becomes less and less.
Extracts from 'Esoteric Astrology.' by Alice A Bailey (Lucis).
Jerry
Sounds like mythology.What Jerry's source is touching on are the Gates of Men and the Gates of the Gods. They're linked with a hellenistic tradition where the souls of children enter the world through the Gate of Men in Cancer and the souls of the dead leave the world through the Gate of the Gods in Capricorn.
Kai said:What Jerry's source is touching on are the Gates of Men and the Gates of the Gods. They're linked with a hellenistic tradition where the souls of children enter the world through the Gate of Men in Cancer and the souls of the dead leave the world through the Gate of the Gods in Capricorn.
Does this have anything to do with Cancer rising in the Thema Mundi?
Sounds like mythology.
Yes to the Epoch.Hi CC,
I was interested how you would reply to the extracts by A.Bailey.
'Sounds like mythology '
Thank you for you reply.
When you mention epoch chart,do you mean 'Pre-Natal Epoch' also called the 'Trutine of Hermes'
Jerry