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Unread 09-20-2019, 04:35 PM
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The Mental Map

I had a new dog, a husky a year or two old I picked up at the pound. We went for a walk among the old lava flows south of Pocatello. At one point I left the trail and climbed a vertical lava face (class 5 climb) about 20 feet high; I wanted to see what the dog would do. I saw a silver streak flash upward and the dog was waiting for me when I topped out. We walked on for a mile or so, then headed back by a different route. Soon we picked up the trail, and as we neared the place where we had climbed up the lava the dog broke from my side and beelined for the exact spot where we had gone up. He wanted to do it again.

My question is about the astrology of the mental map in the dog's mind, and in mine and yours.

Neither the dog nor I had been in that country before; it was a totally new landscape. We approached the spot of the climb, when the dog asked to do it again, from the northwest; our first approach had been from southwest, a different perspective.

All animals, even bacteria, carry within them a mental map of their territory. It is a matter of survival. The map contains the pinpoint location of everything within its compass, as well as the lay of the land here and there, ease of travel....memories associate with place....there is a sense of time as well. I have seen it in Blue Crabs in the Gulf of Mexico.

I think we can call this "an acute sense of spacetime". Because it exists and is well-developed even in the most primitive sorts of life, it must be hard-wired. The mental map moves easily into a drawn map, between the actual situation on the ground and the paper map in your hand. The mental map is closely tied to what I call the intuitive mind; I have watched them cooperate within me. The map seems to be stored in a region of the mind that is below consciousness, but readily available to it.

I have a hunch that the same processes involved in the mental map also conspire to guide us in our daily lives, leading us to be in the right place at the right time so that we can meet our fate. Maybe we could think of this mental power as "the power of orientation".


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Unread 09-20-2019, 07:44 PM
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Re: The Mental Map

"The map seems to be stored in a region of the mind that is below consciousness, but readily available to it."


I've wondered if that area is also the 'collective unconscious' holding area.

Is it connected to the outer planets and to the water houses maybe?
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ESP is ruled by Neptune. Animals and other natural born earth creatures are more in tune and observant than humanity. By using all of their senses they are more capable than humankind of finding their way to where they want to be.

I would use Neptune, Uranus and Mercury astrologically.
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And Sirius part of the Canus Major constellation. As well as the othe Canus stars. For canines.
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ESP is ruled by Neptune. Animals and other natural born earth creatures are more in tune and observant than humanity. By using all of their senses they are more capable than humankind of finding their way to where they want to be.

I would use Neptune, Uranus and Mercury astrologically.
Neptune because it is second sight and intuitive knowledge.
Mercury because it is communication on all levels.
Uranus because it is on a level that is not usually considered.

And....any aspects betwixt them.....
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Unread 09-21-2019, 04:23 AM
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Re: The Mental Map

Well, it is clearly inherited, innate...hard wired. That is the Moon's turf.

And I share this power equally with dog and bee. The Monarch butterfly migrates thousands of miles...over several generations...between Michoacan and Ontario. Racial memory, Katydid, the collective unconscious. Moon.

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Well, it is clearly inherited, innate...hard wired. That is the Moon's turf.

And I share this power equally with dog and bee.
Maybe you do.....but for the many humans that are rescued from the wilderness every year because they are lost, they do not have this innate power that you inherited......for humans it is mostly taught and learned and passed down by word of mouth and writings.......most humans would not learn to live off the land if stranded and alone in an environment, especially if it was a harsh environment.....they are taught........bees are instinctive......ruled by Venus, myth says that they and their honey are from Venus.......a dog domesticated, may or may not survive, if stranded and left alone......much would depend on the breed of dog and the environment it was stranded in...... some are taken in by a clan of wild dogs or wild canines.......and taught.......and accepted.....others would just die of exposure to whatever elements it was stranded in.......a wild dog is taught, the pups don't come out knowing all, they are protected, and taught by their parents and pack......
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Well, it is clearly inherited, innate...hard wired. That is the Moon's turf.

And I share this power equally with dog and bee. The Monarch butterfly migrates thousands of miles...over several generations...between Michoacan and Ontario. Racial memory, Katydid, the collective unconscious. Moon.

Insects and arachnids are not taught.....for them it is as you say with the moon......their parents do not raise and nurture them
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Unread 09-21-2019, 05:21 AM
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Re: The Mental Map

A human raised in the barrio knows how to move through the barrio. Yes, the barrio is "taught", learned. But it is the underlying substrate of mind that is capable of organizing all this information of which I speak. And all creatures capable of movement have it, certainly including humans, all humans.
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Greybeard......I wish that we all had a mental map.......intuitive, is not something that I consider to be learned.......some people are intuitive, others aren't......I watch nature, always have, and they watch me......the crows, ravens, hawks and eagles are my personal favorites, yes they are intuitive, and some of them follow a migration......my crow friends will be heading south with their new babes, that they have taught.....they use me to teach their babes......first they use me to teach them to squawk at danger......because the adults know I am safe.......then they use me to teach them to start to eat on their own, to gather their own food.......the others don't migrate, but they do teach their young where to go seasonally.......and what to eat in the different seasons, and where to shelter from the storm.......

The Mental Map, I would say it is a combination......I feel that Uranus has to be there, for the electrical impulses/magnetic field......Neptune and the Moon for the intuition.....and Mercury for the communication of them to us and theirs.........

I do not see just one entity in action.......
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Unread 09-22-2019, 05:17 AM
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I don't see one entity in action either. I just chew my food slowly.

Moon is the primitive brain. The mental map must be located here, because all animals seem to have this ability...perhaps, in some shellfish and other sedentary forms of life, it is weakly developed; I don't know.

The Monarch challenges your theory of teaching (which in some species is an important component of the mental map, agreed) because the one-way trip requires several generations of butterfly to complete.

It is the ability to compose this map that is so striking.
And as I said earlier, I have hunch that these same processes are at work in our social relations; we "map" them too.

Probably all of the planets are involved. But I don't even know if this question has any astrological importance.
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Unread 09-22-2019, 06:26 AM
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I don't see one entity in action either. I just chew my food slowly.

I do too......

Moon is the primitive brain. The mental map must be located here, because all animals seem to have this ability...perhaps, in some shellfish and other sedentary forms of life, it is weakly developed; I don't know.

I agree, mammals, birds, insects, reptiles and arachnids are all affected by the moon instinctively.

The Monarch challenges your theory of teaching (which in some species is an important component of the mental map, agreed) because the one-way trip requires several generations of butterfly to complete.

I have witnessed the monarch migration. It is beautiful. As is in the same area the migration of the Canadian Goose and the other migratory birds. It is divine.

I put insects, reptiles and arachnids in a different category as they do not nurture their young. I see them as ruled by instinct. Yes, the moon is a large part of their being. But also, the electro-magnetic field....Uranus.......just in a different way......

I do think that all earth creatures have the capacity to communicate on a telepathic level, I feel that all the creatures that visit me communicate with each other with their differences. Most of the community works together. All of them that nurture hate cats. They tolerate dogs. The larger birds and squirrels warn the smaller creatures, they hide.....The crows and magpies chase away and work together to protect their community.......

It is the ability to compose this map that is so striking.
And as I said earlier, I have hunch that these same processes are at work in our social relations; we "map" them too.

I agree, it is just that we are not very adept anymore at recognizing it. We have exchanged our senses for our electric, modern world of TV's, stereo's, cars, heated homes.....electricity used as we do is not as Tesla meant it to be......it was not meant to be like this......we are losing our "map" we will find it again eventually......

Probably all of the planets are involved. But I don't even know if this question has any astrological importance.
I also agree with the above statement. It is all of the planets. If it is all of the planets, or one of the planets, and we are discussing it, then does the cosmos not think that it is of astrological importance......? Or why would it create the thought in your and my mind, to discuss it in an astrological way........
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Arachnids care for their young, spiders and scorpions among them. So do the reptilian crocodiles.

Humans are mammals, in the family of apes, attested by vast plantations of bananas in Honduras. Everyone knows apes love bananas. And we grow and eat more bananas than any other species on Earth, de facto proof we are apes.

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Arachnids care for their young, spiders and scorpions among them. So do the reptilian crocodiles.

Humans are mammals, in the family of apes, attested by vast plantations of bananas in Honduras. Everyone knows apes love bananas. And we grow and eat more bananas than any other species on Earth, de facto proof we are apes.
Okay, okay...... I will give you the reptiles and such.....Funny I defend your stance to my husband ......and then follow his talking to you.....

Yes humans are mammals, but our base instincts are being disturbed or disrupted by man made disturbances......electricity......petrochemicals. .....

All creatures in my humble estimation are affected by the moment they take their first breath.
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Okay, okay...... I will give you the reptiles and such.....Funny I defend your stance to my husband ......and then follow his talking to you.....

Yes humans are mammals, but our base instincts are being disturbed or disrupted by man made disturbances......electricity......petrochemicals. .....

All creatures in my humble estimation are affected by the moment they take their first breath.
And another huge disruption to our finer senses......Refined Sugar
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Well, it is clearly inherited, innate...hard wired. That is the Moon's turf.

And I share this power equally with dog and bee. The Monarch butterfly migrates thousands of miles...over several generations...between Michoacan and Ontario. Racial memory, Katydid, the collective unconscious. Moon.
Yes, the Moon, That's why I said the 'water houses.'
4th/8th/12h=Moon/Pluto/Neptune
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Re: The Mental Map

You said well.

Moon.

All abstraction lies in the lap of Mercury. He rules all manner of charts. Mercury, along with Moon, holds dominion over our perceptive faculties; he controls how we gather information about our surroundings. What goes into the map as well as its form belong to Mercury.
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I just saw the end part of documentary on Octopi. I was surprised to see that after their birth they are on their own. I have in the past read that they are one of the most intelligent creatures on earth. I presumed wrong that they would be nurturers.
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Fascinating creatures!
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I see everything about them as instinctual. The moon would be strong, affected by the tides. But, as they are instinctual with hunting as well, Mars.
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And how instinctual is the human animal? The answer might be shocking to some folks.
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I believe we have the capacity to be very instinctual.

Most humans don't follow their instincts.

We are socialized and trained to be what "they" want us to be.

I have read, that fluoride in the water is a good thing. I have read that fluoride in the water, inhibits us from seeing with our third eye.

Maybe in a less petrochemical world, our instincts would be sharper.
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Greybeard, dogs co-evolved with humans; and in the process became more attuned to us and increasingly useful. Throughout history and prehistory, most dogs (like your husky) would have been working dogs. (This you know: just getting us on the same page.)

For some breeds, part of that usefulness would have been way-finding. Huskies who became used to pulling a sled along a given route would be more useful if they could somewhat memorize it, as to where the turns were, where the terrain was more difficult, and so on. Some of this probably goes by smell.

I once lived in a state neighboring yours, where I lived in a mountain subdivision. I had a border collie with a working dad. I would sometimes wander off solo into the hills by our home. When I let her take the lead off-leash, our dog was really good at finding her way back-- provided she didn't get distracted by a small animal. Then I had to get her back. But as you know, border collies are still used as working dogs throughout the West, where they have to range over enormous areas. I'm not sure a miniature lap dog would have this kind of ability.

Dogs have such a sense of play. Usually we restrict this to tossing a stick, but one of our dogs once, on a hike, slid down a late spring mountain snow patch. I feared she was hurt, but no-- darned if she didn't run to the top and slide down again.

Dog horoscopes are fun to look at. Thanks to veterinary records, I have two birth dates for our previous and current dog, both shelter dogs. They had/have the sun in Cancer, which I think accounts for their affectionate nature. The one had her sun-Venus in Cancer, and she was a total love sponge.
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I'm glad to know we are both dog lovers.
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VERY interesting thread! I have often wanted to draw a map of my dreams because all the locations are connected - slum, parkade, subway, ravine, river, bridge, train, work yards, orchids, swamp, alligator & danger.....dark forest.


Once I dreamed....
Machine built in space needed pilot, took me to our furthest reaches of space, so desolate and silent - SO FAMILIAR! multiple places it took me all of which I had felt as though I had been there before. But the machine malfunctioned, it took me to a place that was too far away; just like in water if you go too deep, then you do not have the breath to return. I drowned in space Never had I felt true pain in my dreams before but my molecules were being pulled apart in every direction. I was just about to give up when two beings intervened. The male was uninterested in my situation and looked down onto me as an insect, it was the lady who took him aside and convinced him to pick me up and carry me back to earth.


Sincerely, I love you mom and dad.
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