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Why a career in music?
Another musical genius, Neil Young, has Pluto in Leo Sq. Asc in Scorpio.


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Why a career in music?
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When I learned astrology, I went the usual contemporary astrology route. I followed the rules even if the rules changed from one astrologer to the next. I continued to have just enough astrological epiphanies that I stayed interested and motivated, but I was not happy with the astrological advice that I was getting. I could see that many of the standard methods weren't working nearly well enough for me. The dispositor method was particularly unreliable.

I found a book (I was buying many books) called "Synthesis" by Tracy Marks. That book kicked me in the butt, and my accuracy and skill jumped up a half dozen notches. It opened my eyes, and I began to explore further. Now, I don't use her method today because I have refined my own, but her method helped me in my path.

Most people declare the chart ruler by the planet ruling the Ascendant unless there is something conjunct the Ascendant, then it becomes the ruler. What I say is, there is a better way, and you will find NOT just one ruler but a pecking order of rulers that leads you through synthesis.

What planets are closest to the four angles, As, Mc, Ds, Ic? Those are the rulers. Often the closest is the chief. You may find aspects this way, and it is great if you discover that there is a ruling aspect rather than a ruling planet because an aspect is more focused and specific.

For Buckingham, It is Mars/Pluto/Venus. Rock (Mars) Music (Venus). The Mars/Venus square is the ruler of his chart. It is more reliable than the sign on the Mc or most of the other guides that you are given.

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Re: Mars-Pluto: A potentially dangerous aspect in someone's natal chart

Moon is also a ruler, but it doesn't contradict the music career tilt.
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Neil Young has a tight Mars/Venus Sq. in Fire and Water (0 degrees / 0 degrees ), and a Grand Trine in Air, including in Gemini.

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Why a career in music?
Another musical genius, Neil Young, has Pluto in Leo Sq. Asc in Scorpio.
Well theres not much confidence in data, and finding rulers relies on reliable data. But he does have Venus-square-Mars.
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How many musicians have you checked? It's such an expressive group. What about Bob Dylan?
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Well theres not much confidence in data, and finding rulers relies on reliable data. But he does have Venus-square-Mars.
Yeah, a Ridden rating of 3. A lot could change.
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How many musicians have you checked? It's such an expressive group. What about Bob Dylan?
Do you know your planetary pairs? Do you have Ebertin's guide, Seymour-Smith's guide, Martin Freedman's guide, Rob Hand's guide? Mercury/Venus is one of the guides to music and art. Venus/Neptune is. Venus/Mars is. Of course there is Venus.

Bob Dylan's chart has Mercury/Venus as the closest factors to his angles. Furthermore, Venus trines his MC. Mercury squares his Neptune. "Boy, that guy is hard to understand. What does he mean, 'the vandals took the handles'"?
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Song (Venus) writer (Mercury)

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Let's say Lindsey Buckingham comes to you for a natal chart reading. You see that Pluto, Mars, Venus, and Moon rule his chart, and Mars squares Venus.

See here, young man, your life will be dominated significantly by a passionate relationship with a lover (Mars/Pluto/Venus), but it is a very difficult relationship, your lover may become frightened of your intensity. She may grow weary of the strife. Your reaction of intense emotionalism is tiring.

But you might take a path in art or music. Maybe Rock (Mars) Music (Venus). You may find fame (Pluto/Ascendant).

This is what you do with rulers.

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Do you know your planetary pairs? Do you have Ebertin's guide, Seymour-Smith's guide, Martin Freedman's guide, Rob Hand's guide? Mercury/Venus is one of the guides to music and art. Venus/Neptune is. Venus/Mars is. Of course there is Venus.

Bob Dylan's chart has Mercury/Venus as the closest factors to his angles. Furthermore, Venus trines his MC. Mercury squares his Neptune. "Boy, that guy is hard to understand. What does he mean, 'the vandals took the handles'"?
"God knows when, but he's doin' it again!" -{B.D.}.
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Re: Mars-Pluto: A potentially dangerous aspect in someone's natal chart

Hi Cary, I have a question on midpoints. Do you count as significant the converging of many midpoints at one location? Do they constitute a legitimate planetary bend? Say the Mars/Pluto and Moon/Jupiter midpoint both fell on 12 Scorpio, would you count this as a Mars-Pluto-Moon-Jupiter blend to be interpreted as if they were all in aspect? (I don't have this in my chart)
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Hi Cary, I have a question on midpoints. Do you count as significant the converging of many midpoints at one location? Do they constitute a legitimate planetary bend? Say the Mars/Pluto and Moon/Jupiter midpoint both fell on 12 Scorpio, would you count this as a Mars-Pluto-Moon-Jupiter blend to be interpreted as if they were all in aspect? (I don't have this in my chart)

I believe the Cosmobiologists use such techniques as valid, and I believe Martin Seymour-Smith did, but I rarely need to dig that deeply. I think it matters when you want to solve a puzzle about a chart, but I usually don't find myself resorting to it.
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Cary, would mind weighing in on my new thread concerning Parallels in the Aspects and Configurations forum?
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Cary, would mind weighing in on my new thread concerning Parallels in the Aspects and Configurations forum?
I don't use parallels in my work. I have not seen enough evidence that it is worth the trouble.
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The transiting Moon is currently opposition the transiting Saturn close-conjunct Pluto midpoint. If this were in a Natal-chart, how important would the midpoint be, compared to just the two oppositions?

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The transiting Moon is currently opposition the transiting Saturn close-conjunct Pluto midpoint. If this were in a Natal-chart, how important would the midpoint be, compared to just the two oppositions?
"Close conjunct " what X/Pluto midpoint? Pluto and what has a midpoint?
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Saturn 20 degrees /Pluto 23 degrees .
Moon about 22 degrees .

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Saturn 20 degrees /Pluto 23 degrees .
Moon about 22 degrees .
That in a natal chart would indicate a very difficult relationship with the mother. One's background may include cruelty that might also be expressed by the native. There is probably an occult aptitude. One may need therapy but resist the need, or encounter a difficult experience with therapy.

More: A brutal suppression of feelings.

Not all the suggestions need apply. We judge which by conformation with the rest of the chart.

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That in a natal chart would indicate a very difficult relationship with the mother. One's background may include cruelty that might also be expressed by the native. There is probably an occult aptitude. One may need therapy but resist the need, or encounter a difficult experience with therapy.

Not all the suggestions need apply. We judge which by conformation with the rest of the chart.
Do Saturn and Pluto combine their natures at the midpoint?
Both the Moon and Saturn are in Domicle, which ups the stakes.
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You could have expressed that as Moon = Saturn/Pluto or Moon oppose Saturn/Pluto. In your example with signs, the background and parental issues are accentuated.
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Do Saturn and Pluto combine their natures at the midpoint?
Both the Moon and Saturn are in Domicle, which ups the stakes.
I see it that way. It would call attention to the matter most emphatically. I feel that way because I find the signs involved help interpret the connections, not because I follow the elaborate rulership scheme of traditional astrology. I have seen how important Moon is in its own sign and Saturn in his.
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I'm trying (ineptly) to ask if you would consider the Saturn/Pluto midpoint as an important consideration, apart from the two separate oppositions. I'm not well-defined in midpoint astrology.
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Would Saturn represent father-issues?
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I'm trying (ineptly) to ask if you would consider the Saturn/Pluto midpoint as an important consideration, apart from the two separate oppositions. I'm not well-defined in midpoint astrology.
That's a good question but a tough question. If there were merely the aspectual connection but not in orb of a midpoint, it is still the same theme. If there is a midpoint connection and a a dual oppostion, that would be extra emphasis, the kind of extra emphasis that might apply with smaller, more exact orbs.

It is only a difference of emphasis. The three planets in combination retain the same theme due to the blend Moon/Saturn/Pluto.

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