Donald Trump will be impeached.

piercethevale

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It's simple: The Electoral College was a demand by the Confederacy to prevent an Anti-Slavery President, in exchange for them joining the Union. Justify it philosophically anyway you like, but at the time, that's what it was about. And, it worked, up until the election of LIncoln.

With the Electoral College, each State elects its own President. Trump LOST the Popular Vote, no question about it.

That is such a tired old explanation ... used as an excuse to try to get rid of it....and btw, there was no "Confederacy" when the Constitution was drafted, but I understand what you meant.

It's partially the truth as to why it was created... and regardless of whether slavery had been in existence at the time would have likely still been included in the Constitution. There were a great many other differences between the States that gave cause for such considerations.

Primarily it was of consideration for the differences between those of agrarian inclinations as to those with industrial aspirations... which the Civil War mostly eliminated anyways... that war was begun more for the fact the South's cotton was being taxed with most of the taxes going to support Northern industrialization. Slavery was considered by most to be a doomed institution in another generations time. Was it worth the nearly 2 million lives that were lost to free about 4 million slaves that would have been free in another 20 years or so? ...not to mention a centuries worth of resentment for the vindictive manner by which the U.S. treated the South afterwards for the following 30 or 40 years? As my mother would say a few times to me during her years, "That war decimated the gene pool of the United states, it took the lives of most of the best young men we had."

Knowing the differences in the makeup of the populations, by ancestry, political ideology, and spiritual beliefs I'm convinced had the South won the war, they would have told the North "to now go about their own business" and that would have been the last of it...and very likely abolished slavery themselves before 1890.

The racial bigotry that existed in the South thereafter was far more a product of the North's attempt at humiliation of the South by putting unqualified former slaves in positions of gov't and judicial authority... it caused extreme resentment, partially due to as how those former slaves wielded that new found power. [payback's a b****, isn't it?]

What do you think Germany would be like presently if Truman and, or, Eisenhower put all Jews in positions of gov't and judicial authority in Germany after W.W. II? ...and the Jews were highly educated people... [by that I mean no slight to the level of intelligence, intellectual capacity and potential of the Black race in general...it's only an issue of formal education at the time of these historic periods that I'm talking about here.]

Black Americans, from what I have witnessed in my 67 years on Earth, are subjected to far more vehement prejudice in the States that were a part of the Union than in the States that were a part of the Confederacy. Granted, there weren't the "Jim-Crow" laws in the North as there were in the South but the North had some pretty repressive and prejudicial laws all the same... and some "un-written" ones that are downright despicable. While I've never been to Louisiana,, Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, Florida or South Carolina, I've been to every other State that was a part of the Confederacy, including Missouri and Tennessee. I got to spend sometime in a few of them, particularly Texas, and what I witnessed on a "neighborly level"...that is in those communities I spent some time in... was, far more for the greater part, amicable relations and unpretentious friendship between the races.

I witnessed far more prejudice and bigotry among my "White" neighbors and school mates growing up in Los Angeles than I ever witnessed in those Southern States I spent time in... and far more again from people I met in New England, the Rust Belt, and some mid Western States.

I've seen a great noticable reduction in such the last 30 years...the present lot that is under 35 being the most racially tolerant ever... both ways... and I hope that each succeeding generation reduces it by as much.
The most oppressive example of which I can think of at this moment being the city of Boston.... they even looked down their noses at anyone from any State in the South, period... unless they had some high mucky muck English pedigree of an ancestry but even then still considered to be something inferior to themselves.
 

david starling

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AND, Hillary is Donald Trump's Popular Vote President!. :biggrin:
 

piercethevale

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Keep in mind that this is a UNION of States and it is the States that elect a person to preside over that union...not a president of a nation elected by a singular populace. To start allowing a popular vote to elect a president essentially abolishes all State rights forever.

I, for one, will refuse to obtain a "national i.d. card" this year. ...and the only reason I will ever do so is if I intend to obtain a passport by which I will use it to leave this nation forever more.
It's all a part of the NWO's agenda to eliminate States rights and a lot of the Bill of Rights as well. There is no need for the institution of Homeland Security... to insist on such intrusions into your privacy when you wish to fly domestically and yet leave the borders wide open should be obvious to all what that dept. is really all about.

..and another award of the Congressional Medal of Cowardice to all that voted in approval of the so called Patriot Act...


It's because so much of American soil and businesses have been sold to foreign investment [that's what the NWO is really all about, folks. One world gov't under the control of the uber wealthy] being the reason they want to eliminate the Second amendment and want to keep constant tabs on your whereabouts, you affiliations, what your money is spent on, what you contribute to... Free thinking, freedom born, bred, and loving Americans with arms scares the begeesus out of wealthy foreign investors...

They're presently buying up all the rental property in Calif. they can lay heir hands on, and then immediately increasing rents. That rent freeze initiative that was on the ballot here in Calif. last year should have passed...overwhelmingly at that...but it didn't... just as Bernie Sanders was figured to overwhelmingly defeat Hilary here in Calif... but didn't.
Do you honestly believe that your vote actually counts for anything anymore?

At least here in Calif. we got to see our neighbors vote at the local polling place at every election. We're neighbors and among us we all know how our precinct voted as for witnessing just who did show up to vote... Yeah, sometimes we might be surprised to learn that the friendly and helpful neighbor next door voted Communist or Socialist, or Green Cheese Party, but as a whole we know who we are as a community...at least we did, until they recently have made it practically impossible to vote at a polling place anymore, eliminating as many of them as possible and now offering vote by mail and making it so convenient to do so...especially by making it so inconvenient to not do so.

I don't know a single person here in California, personally, that says they voted for Hilary in the primary...and I know far more Democrats than I know Republicans.

That goes for the presidential election as well. those that say they still voted Democrat all say they wrote in someone elses name. I voted Libertarian myself...after supporting Sanders and contributing over $600 to his campaign...for which I received receipts for less than half that amount ... meaning the most of it was absconded by the DNC and given to Hilary's campaign.

... How assured are you of any final count of votes anymore?

When it appears to be overwhelming, "they" will most likely not mess with it...such as will happen this November...all these reports of Biden leading in the polls is pure manufactured hocum...but they will persist to see if they can get away with it... but it's going to be too many for Trump to far too little for Biden to pull it off.

That leaves 2024 in question...and you all had best get busy on getting an overwhelming consensus in time for that election now.
At the end of this years election the Democrat Party should be abandoned by all... it has become corrupted beyond redemption. A new Party should be founded...one based more on Populist ideology seems to be the more appealing at this time...at least in my humble opinion.. but that's probably more due to my own hope than reality at present [...or maybe then again...?]

My point being, a new party free from long established ties and deceptive infiltration is needed immediately and one that can withstand the media assault that will surely come immediately afterward.
It will have to have a very well known and very morally assured candidate, that all can immediately embrace, and remain loyal to, protect if even necessary and it likely will be.. Someone as like Tulsi Gabbard at present...

And come November 2024 when we all know that at least 60% or more [ideally 70% to 80%] of the nation is behind her, or him... despite the media and "polls" saying it will be a "close election" or that the "other candidate is the projected winner...then we've got a chance of saving this nation. After that it will be too late.

The most important move is to dump the Democratic Party, the Republican too for that matter...but that is unlikely to happen... some will say the same about that of the Democratic Party but once the populace starts leaving in droves it's end will be swift... and leave they will... just a matter of have fast and how much... the Democratic Party has to be rendered inert in plenty of time before 2024 rolls around. I'm figuring that this November's results will give it a big push towards that happening.

Do it right and keep the Carvelle's, the Clinton's, and the Pelosi's and their likes out of it...at least not in any positions of power or influence beyond their own singular vote...and I'll be among the first to sign up as a member.

I haven't found out whom the Libertarians are running this year...or if they ever are... I very well might end up voting for Trump... for the sole reason that he's going to win it anyways and the more votes he does get the less likely there will be any attempts at defrauding and less chance of there being any whining about the "popular vote" the next four years.
 
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piercethevale

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It's simple: The Electoral College was a demand by the Confederacy to prevent an Anti-Slavery President, in exchange for them joining the Union. Justify it philosophically anyway you like, but at the time, that's what it was about. And, it worked, up until the election of LIncoln.

With the Electoral College, each State elects its own President. Trump LOST the Popular Vote, no question about it.

The difference being that had a few precincts in Los Angeles County gone the other way, the popular vote would have been Trump's...
That's why the Electoral College was instituted.
 

CapAquaPis

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Nixon was a Liberal Democrat by current standards, and Clinton was a moderate Republican.

The Trumpublicans consider the Moderates like Mitt to be "RINOS".

The Clintons are socially liberals, Nixon was a fiscally conservative one. But hold on, is Trump friends with Caitlyn Jenner, a transwoman who is a huge Republican supporter? How would Mike Pence, an Evangelical with a poor record on LGBT rights feel about that??? Are Democrats more likely to stand up for Caitlyn Jenner? I understand Jenner can form her own political opinions and beliefs, she once said "if I can accept the GOP, will many of them accept me?".
 

piercethevale

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The Clintons are socially liberals, Nixon was a fiscally conservative one. But hold on, is Trump friends with Caitlyn Jenner, a transwoman who is a huge Republican supporter? How would Mike Pence, an Evangelical with a poor record on LGBT rights feel about that??? Are Democrats more likely to stand up for Caitlyn Jenner? I understand Jenner can form her own political opinions and beliefs, she once said "if I can accept the GOP, will many of them accept me?".

Personally, I wouldn't give a rats' behind to know what Caitlyn Jenner's political leanings are... nor do I care less.... oH..wait a min, I do wonder why they no longer make red M & M's... hmmmm.... well, is it a toss up? ...hmmm...?
No, sorry, the red M & M's won that one.
 

david starling

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The difference being that had a few precincts in Los Angeles County gone the other way, the popular vote would have been Trump's...
That's why the Electoral College was instituted.

Nope. It was instituted to prevent an Anti-Slavery President, pure and simple.

And, a few popular votes can greatly impact the Electoral College as well, as evidenced by what happened in Florida in the year 2000.

In 2016, Trump won several States by a very close margin regarding the Popular-vote, but that enabled him to receive ALL of the Electoral-votes from those States.
 
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piercethevale

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Nope. It was instituted to prevent an Anti-Slavery President, pure and simple.

And, a few popular votes can greatly impact the Electoral College as well, as evidenced by what happened in Florida in the year 2000.

In 2016, Trump won several States by a very close margin regarding the Popular-vote, but that enabled him to receive ALL of the Electoral-votes from those States.

Yet even though if Trump had gained the difference in the popular vote, nationally, by winning those few precincts in California, Hilary still would have won the popular vote in that State and still would have received all 55 of its Electoral votes. ...and Trump would have had the majority of votes in the election, nationally, and there would be absolutely no difference in the outcome of the Electoral vote.

Oh my, that Hilary, she really wooed them across the nation now didn't she?

Like I keep writing here...it's clearly evident why the Electoral College was created.
 
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david starling

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Yet even though if Trump had gained the difference in the popular vote, nationally, by winning those few precincts in California, Hilary still would have won the popular vote in that State and still would have received all 55 of its Electoral votes. ...and Trump would have won the election by the popular vote, nationally, and there would be absolutely no difference in the outcome of the Electoral vote.

Oh my, that Hilary, she really wooed them across the nation now didn't she?

Like I keep writing here...it's clearly evident why the Electoral College was created.

Sure--it's Affirmative Action for the less populated States. It's amazing how few times the Electoral College winner has lost the Popular-vote. In fact, according to the "sorry, it's too late to matter" final recount in Florida in 2000, Al Gore actually ended up narrowly ahead in both categories. That was one case where the Electoral College system actually gave the wrong candidate the Presidency.
 
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david starling

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PTV, do you really think that Sanders could have won in the Swing-States after being constantly portrayed as a "Communist", evoking the memories of the Cold War?
Isn't it ironic that the more anti-Communist States during the "better dead than Red" Cold War era are now called Red States? :biggrin:
 

JUPITERASC

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It's simple: The Electoral College was a demand by the Confederacy to prevent an Anti-Slavery President, in exchange for them joining the Union. Justify it philosophically anyway you like, but at the time, that's what it was about. And, it worked, up until the election of LIncoln.

With the Electoral College, each State elects its own President. Trump LOST the Popular Vote, no question about it.
That is such a tired old explanation ... used as an excuse to try to get rid of it....and btw, there was no "Confederacy" when the Constitution was drafted, but I understand what you meant.

It's partially the truth as to why it was created... and regardless of whether slavery had been in existence at the time would have likely still been included in the Constitution. There were a great many other differences between the States that gave cause for such considerations.

Primarily it was of consideration for the differences between those of agrarian inclinations as to those with industrial aspirations... which the Civil War mostly eliminated anyways... that war was begun more for the fact the South's cotton was being taxed with most of the taxes going to support Northern industrialization. Slavery was considered by most to be a doomed institution in another generations time. Was it worth the nearly 2 million lives that were lost to free about 4 million slaves that would have been free in another 20 years or so? ...not to mention a centuries worth of resentment for the vindictive manner by which the U.S. treated the South afterwards for the following 30 or 40 years? As my mother would say a few times to me during her years, "That war decimated the gene pool of the United states, it took the lives of most of the best young men we had."

Knowing the differences in the makeup of the populations, by ancestry, political ideology, and spiritual beliefs I'm convinced had the South won the war, they would have told the North "to now go about their own business" and that would have been the last of it...and very likely abolished slavery themselves before 1890.

The racial bigotry that existed in the South thereafter was far more a product of the North's attempt at humiliation of the South by putting unqualified former slaves in positions of gov't and judicial authority... it caused extreme resentment, partially due to as how those former slaves wielded that new found power. [payback's a b****, isn't it?]

What do you think Germany would be like presently if Truman and, or, Eisenhower put all Jews in positions of gov't and judicial authority in Germany after W.W. II? ...and the Jews were highly educated people... [by that I mean no slight to the level of intelligence, intellectual capacity and potential of the Black race in general...it's only an issue of formal education at the time of these historic periods that I'm talking about here.]

Black Americans, from what I have witnessed in my 67 years on Earth, are subjected to far more vehement prejudice in the States that were a part of the Union than in the States that were a part of the Confederacy. Granted, there weren't the "Jim-Crow" laws in the North as there were in the South but the North had some pretty repressive and prejudicial laws all the same... and some "un-written" ones that are downright despicable. While I've never been to Louisiana,, Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, Florida or South Carolina, I've been to every other State that was a part of the Confederacy, including Missouri and Tennessee. I got to spend sometime in a few of them, particularly Texas, and what I witnessed on a "neighborly level"...that is in those communities I spent some time in... was, far more for the greater part, amicable relations and unpretentious friendship between the races.

I witnessed far more prejudice and bigotry among my "White" neighbors and school mates growing up in Los Angeles than I ever witnessed in those Southern States I spent time in... and far more again from people I met in New England, the Rust Belt, and some mid Western States.

I've seen a great noticable reduction in such the last 30 years...the present lot that is under 35 being the most racially tolerant ever... both ways... and I hope that each succeeding generation reduces it by as much.
The most oppressive example of which I can think of at this moment being the city of Boston.... they even looked down their noses at anyone from any State in the South, period... unless they had some high mucky muck English pedigree of an ancestry but even then still considered to be something inferior to themselves.
Tired, old, and TRUE explanation. And, there's the after-the-fact philosophical excuse being used to justify it! :sideways:
The difference being that had a few precincts in Los Angeles County gone the other way, the popular vote would have been Trump's...
That's why the Electoral College was instituted.
Nope. It was instituted to prevent an Anti-Slavery President, pure and simple.

And, a few popular votes can greatly impact the Electoral College as well, as evidenced by what happened in Florida in the year 2000.

In 2016, Trump won several States by a very close margin regarding the Popular-vote, but that enabled him to receive ALL of the Electoral-votes from those States.
Yet even though if Trump had gained the difference in the popular vote, nationally, by winning those few precincts in California, Hilary still would have won the popular vote in that State and still would have received all 55 of its Electoral votes. ...and Trump would have had the majority of votes in the election, nationally, and there would be absolutely no difference in the outcome of the Electoral vote.

Oh my, that Hilary, she really wooed them across the nation now didn't she?

Like I keep writing here...it's clearly evident why the Electoral College was created.
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JUPITERASC

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He's already been impeached and got off.
How many times can a person be impeached?

Trump is winning and the best is yet to come! :w00t:

I'm going to sit back, grab some popcorn, and watch it all unfold.



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a long awaited British court ruling

made against disgraced former spy Christopher Steele
ordering the fake dossier creator to pay damages :smile:
to businessmen he smeared in the now infamous Russiagate document.

UK court TRASHES Steele
says former spy clearly worked for Hillary Clinton
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b5IMgf6I3I


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david starling

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He's already been impeached and got off. How many times can a person be impeached?

Trump is winning and the best is yet to come! :w00t:

I'm going to sit back, grab some popcorn, and watch it all unfold.

We really don't know who will win, especially with the Election still so far off, or if Trump will be able to declare martial law and cancel them.

That's where the popcorn comes in.The

To answer your question, if new incriminating evidence becomes available, a President can be impeached again. But, the Supreme Court has delayed possibly incriminating new information under after the Election date.

If the Election goes ahead as scheduled, and Trump manages to squeak out a victory, new evidence could be used to impeach him again, forcing the Senate to once again wrongfully aquit him by excluding evidence and witness testimony from consideration.
 
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