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Who here considers Uranus a difficult/malefic planet?

Unpredictability, instability, 'far out there' are all things that Uranus brings. Sure it brings intuition and what not, but overall, the effects seem to not be pleasant. More like the 'tower' tarot card. I have Uranus tightly conjunct my moon+venus and my moods are extremely unstable and I can sometimes be a little 'crazy' except I always bounce back. I attribute this to the uranian influence.

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Re: Who here considers Uranus a difficult/malefic planet?

i agree with the craziness venus/uranus forms a tight talent triangle with mars/moon in my chart. very unpredictable, not very pleasant. seems to cause more trouble than good at times..
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Re: Who here considers Uranus a difficult/malefic planet?

I consider Uranus of the nature of Mercury combined with Mars, and capable (like all planets) of both malefic and benefic qualities.
With my Mercury/Mars model, I regard Uranus dignfied in the domiciles of those 2 planets (Aries, Gemin, Virgo and Scorpio), and detrimented in the same signs as they are detrimented in (Taurus, Libra, Sagittarius, Pisces); however, I do not go so far as attempting to assign exaltation of Fall to Uranus (nor to the other outer planets)

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Re: Who here considers Uranus a difficult/malefic planet?

the thing to do is to find an expression for it(uranus) it is futuristic, highly creative and out there 'man'.
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how it is in a chart does depend on the whole chart. I see moon sq uranus as a difficult aspect in a chart particularly for women. however if you learn how to channel that energy into uranian type pursuits maybe you can be more at peace with it. from the people I know with this moon sq uranus those who are using it to expand their knowledge or doing something different even if that is training to be a plumber (which was the case)- then it is a good use of this energy.

I have opp to uranus (not quite opp my merc but enough to cause issues in the past and still now!) its in 10th h. this has made me be perceived as a bit of rebel in a conservative work environment. ie where they did not want change I was constantly changing things. to the point my boss wrote ; your ideas are a bit ahead of time! he hated me!
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Re: Who here considers Uranus a difficult/malefic planet?

Uranus instinctively rebels against the desires of other people's egos and seeks to thwart any outward manipulation, whether it comes from Saturn, Pluto or even charming Venus. Uranus sees through them all! He won't be coerced.

He also finds it hard to see that other people have their own way of dealing with things that are not his way. He needs to learn tolerance and 'allowing'.

He's just as self-centred but not as controlling as Pluto. He would rather just not "play the game" that other people would like to pull him into.

Although the uranian archetype is based on group good, he will only participate in groups on his terms and if he is fully in tune with the group mindset. He doesn't do compromise. As soon as the group mindset takes a turn that he doesn't like, he's off!

Instinctively, he'll cause trouble in all saturnian structures, be they social, familial or religious....perhaps especially religious. He's not a guru-follower nor can he unquestioningly accept dogma without proof.
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Re: Who here considers Uranus a difficult/malefic planet?

I don't know if I would regard Uranus as Malefic in and of itself... I think you would need to take into consideration its placement in the chart and any aspects it is making. I think there is positive and negative...

I have Uranus Saturn, and personally for me this has created some issues! I feel like Uranus wants to break free and rebel and innovate, but my Saturn is wanting to hold me back, keep me stabilised and responsible! Ah! Constant conflict!
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Re: Who here considers Uranus a difficult/malefic planet?

i have sun in 5th (cancer) square uranus in 7th (libra). it's a blessing and a curse. a great need to be different, to express myself, to be independent is not in sync with a harmonious relationship (for me). and the more i feel the other person is 'controlling' me, the more i lash out.

it's tiring, as i sometimes feel the need to rebel for the sake of just rebelling. always restless, stubborn, and i don't take advice from others easily, even if it's good advice. yes, mistakes were made

on the upside, i'll never be a sheep, following the masses. i will never have anybody tell me what to do. i march to the beat of my own drum. for better, or for worse.

it's a mixed bag, but when it comes down to it, i love uranus. it shakes things up, and you never know what comes out of it.
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Uranus instinctively rebels against the desires of other people's egos and seeks to thwart any outward manipulation, whether it comes from Saturn, Pluto or even charming Venus. Uranus sees through them all! He won't be coerced.

He also finds it hard to see that other people have their own way of dealing with things that are not his way. He needs to learn tolerance and 'allowing'.

He's just as self-centred but not as controlling as Pluto. He would rather just not "play the game" that other people would like to pull him into.

Although the uranian archetype is based on group good, he will only participate in groups on his terms and if he is fully in tune with the group mindset. He doesn't do compromise. As soon as the group mindset takes a turn that he doesn't like, he's off!

Instinctively, he'll cause trouble in all saturnian structures, be they social, familial or religious....perhaps especially religious. He's not a guru-follower nor can he unquestioningly accept dogma without proof.

Yes! I agree!

I think we were writing at the same time...but what you said relates to how I feel my Uranus Square Saturn!

Especially this "...he'll cause trouble in all Saturnian structures..."
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it's tiring, as i sometimes feel the need to rebel for the sake of just rebelling. always restless, stubborn, and i don't take advice from others easily, even if it's good advice. yes, mistakes were made
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Absolutely...it keeps things interesting, for better or for worse!
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Re: Who here considers Uranus a difficult/malefic planet?

I have Uranus (in Cancer) in my 11th natal house, and it is the most elevated planet in my natal chart; Uranus has been a very important factor in the rather unusual life I have led (60 years), and looking back I cannot say that the Uranian influence has been malefic, but unusual, yes, out of the ordinary, definitely so, innovative, quite true...
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Re: Who here considers Uranus a difficult/malefic planet?

Uranus can help to move things when and where we are stuck, i.e by transit, it can bring about necessary changes, I think all with the intention to shift us to a place of higher consciousness. Perhaps only when we resist this needed change, will it's influence become disruptive..
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Re: Who here considers Uranus a difficult/malefic planet?

I agree with Bina. Uranus is also about personal liberation, serendipity, the charm of the unexpected, and not buying into the old trope that "we've always done it this way."

The cure for viewing Uranus unfavourably is to deliberately incorporate more personal liberation and out-of-character events into your life. These might be little things, like just taking different routes home from work, trying foods you've never tasted before, putting yourself in unfamiliar situations.

retinoid, with your Uranus-moon-Venus conjunction, I suggest you think about empowering combinations that draw upon these planets' energies. It might be something like listening to futuristic music or creating computer-generated abstract art. Also, did you experience your mother as highly unpredictable? Perhaps even mentally unstable? This could get scary for a little kid, and carry over into your adult life as the conviction that Uranian unpredictability is bad.
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Re: Who here considers Uranus a difficult/malefic planet?

I tend to think of all planets having pro and con sides
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I tend to think of all planets having pro and con sides
I tend to think alike. Planets (aside from what they represent) are just that, planets. They are neither "good" or "bad". What may be regarded as "beneficial" "malefic" is the way people handle/use their energy.
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Re: Who here considers Uranus a difficult/malefic planet?

For me I have strong Uranus contacts to Moon (Sex) & Venus (opp) But frankly I am madly in love with this planet. I really wish it would've touch the sun too. I love being eccentric (maybe because it's in my 9th so I'm at peace with it). I am an original thinker, freedom lover & the first word people associate me with is 'eccentric'.

I like being different in fact I it! I literally live for Uranian pursuits- humanitarian, individualistic, truthful, original & even unconventional.

It can cause alot of emotional upsets with the changes but for me I love changes so it's never caused distress rather always been a huge relief. I literally thank the heavens for bringing Uranus into Aries, it's been the most wonderful (yet shocking) beginning of a new life!
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Re: Who here considers Uranus a difficult/malefic planet?

I think we need to remember that the energies can be helped to change over time, depending on the age of the person...in youth I think Uranus can be highly disruptive while in later maturity we can use it's energy to advantage...Uranus conjunct mercury in my chart...I always had communicational difficults and upsets with my siblings in the past...and was led to believe that I did not belong in this world, because of my personal differences...In the end however I realize how much original thought I have now, in thinking outside of the box, which often just astounds people...in the 9th it has also helped me to master the art of astrology, while still knowing that there is always more to learn....
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Re: Who here considers Uranus a difficult/malefic planet?

Uranus is in general MALEFIC. It favors otherworldly, eccentric and unusual activities.

Acting +vely (rarely), it can make genius. Look for good aspect from Jupiter or Venus. Makes good Astrologer, Inventor, Professor, Teacher, etc.

In general, it does not give material success. Most of the people under influence of this planet don't make money they deserve. Strong Uranians probably make 10-20% of their talent. With the same talent, a Jupiterian will be making 200-500% easily.

On health matters, medicines may not work. Mostly, they have to struggle to find their way to survive. They find their own way of life, meditation, yoga, herb, exercise, vitamins, and so on.

In interpersonal relationship, it is difficult to connect to other people (that's why eccentricity). When two people talk face to face, magnetic aura connect them. Uranians are in general not recipient to others aura. And others don't feel comfortable. However, with many people, they can be of good/great success - making public speaker.

In numerology, Uranus is associated with number 4. In general failures in life, if success, great success, but after several attempts and failures.

Uranus is considered energy behind discoveries and inventions. But how many - one Uranion out of hundreds or thousands of Uranions.

Saffron color increases strength of Uranus. Most of Indian Yogis and Sadhus wear Saffron cloths, which increases tendency of being otherworldly.
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Re: Who here considers Uranus a difficult/malefic planet?

I consider that Dhundhun has made several very accurate and valid observations regarding the qualities of Uranus, in the above post!!
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Re: Who here considers Uranus a difficult/malefic planet?

Maybe this works in Vedic astrology, but it sure hasn't been my personal experience.

I like Uranus a lot. It is the great liberator. It gives variety to life. Variety is the spice of life. A Uranian life is never boring. It gets us out of self-defeating ruts. It facilitates sudden flashes of insight. It can confer a lot of energy, and optimism for the future.

I guess if people don't want these things, they might see Uranus as malefic.

I am a pretty Uranian person. I think my life turned out a lot better than I had any right to expect.

I look terrible in yellow. Bright, electric blue is a Uranian colour. Our time period is the future.
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...and I'll add that Waybread has made several accurate and valid observations about this unique planet as well!

As I mentioned earlier, I am very much of a "Uranian" (like Waybread) It has been both difficult and liberating, but for it all, I would not trade the Uranian influence (even if I could)!
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Would anyone agree that Uranus is connected to the crown chakra? And when your energies are lifted up into that chakra, you're more connected to the universe, but pretty much disconnected from everyday, mundane life.
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Uranus is in general MALEFIC. It favors otherworldly, eccentric and unusual activities.

Acting +vely (rarely), it can make genius. Look for good aspect from Jupiter or Venus. Makes good Astrologer, Inventor, Professor, Teacher, etc.

In general, it does not give material success. Most of the people under influence of this planet don't make money they deserve. Strong Uranians probably make 10-20% of their talent. With the same talent, a Jupiterian will be making 200-500% easily.
Very interesting point of view. I have uranus, venus and moon all conjunct though I wouldn't consider myself 'uranian' though it definitely has a huge influence on me and has both made and broken me. I also am extremely sexual with uranus in the 8th but Saturn being very strong in the 8th with it has made me extremely functional and sort of suppresses a lot of my 'uranian' things from getting expressed. probably a good thing but makes me frustrated at the same time. There must be a balance in all things.

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retinoid, with your Uranus-moon-Venus conjunction, I suggest you think about empowering combinations that draw upon these planets' energies. It might be something like listening to futuristic music or creating computer-generated abstract art. Also, did you experience your mother as highly unpredictable? Perhaps even mentally unstable? This could get scary for a little kid, and carry over into your adult life as the conviction that Uranian unpredictability is bad.
This conjunction has made me see things very abstractly. And I love trance music. Everything about life is different. I don't like the influence.

My mother was not extremely unpredictable but she was very selfish (cared a lot about what was going on in her life), she changed how she acted towards who she was dating (venus+moon are in the end of the 7th though uranus is in the 8th) and she was very accepting towards whatever I wanted to do (which were very strange things through my life). She bought me alcohol when I was 14 and drugs. And as I said, she was very accepting when I was a vegan, said I might be 'bisexual' and used to take me to the ocean for me to give offerings. How many moms would do that? But again, her selfishness and her emotional absence has caused friction! Oh and there we NEVER any boundaries. I could stay home from school, stay out late, etc. She also never had money. My dad always had a lot of money which is why I was never in any want (and his mother as well). But if I had to depend on my mom we would have been on welfare. This was with my dad giving her 40K a year she still managed to get into insurmountable debt.

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I tend to think alike. Planets (aside from what they represent) are just that, planets. They are neither "good" or "bad". What may be regarded as "beneficial" "malefic" is the way people handle/use their energy.

The fact is planets in general are good and bad like everything. Jupiter is the great benefic, but it can make you have no plan for the future and you can be far behind someone who has a strong saturn and may have planned for the future and was responsible.

The aspects and placements of the sign color the planet in how it will act. Mars can give drive and energy but also cause destruction, violence and mayhem. Venus can cause love and luxury but also self indulgence and health problems.

Neptune, Uranus and Pluto are all planets that I don't think we understand a whole lot of yet. They have good and bad, but also aren't very 'functional' on the mundane plane. Neptune causes inspiration and imagination, but also delusion and detachment. Uranus is intuitive and far thinking but can also cause eccentricity and madness. Pluto can cause transformation but also painful crises. The newer planets are less 'worldly' so therefore I think their influences are harder to incorporate.
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retinoid, thanks for sharing about your mom. Since the moon symbolizes one's mother and planets conjunct it can modify how you experience her, perhaps your mother exhibited more of Uranus's unconventional side than its disruptive proclivities.

I also agree that Jupiter can have a down side. I think it creates "softer" squares or oppositions than Uranus does. But it can be the energy, in a square, of "if a little is good, a lot is better;" which ain't necessarily so. Also, I think Jupiter retrograde in the 2nd house can indicate money troubles (optimistic over-spending) unless other factors compensate for it.

Some Uranian aphorisms:

"You shall know the truth and and truth shall set you free." (John 8:32) "But before it does that, it's gonna p*** you off." [anonymous]

"Live free or die." (State motto of New Hampshire)

"Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course other may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death."
[Patrick Henry, one of the founding founders of the US republic. Ironically, as a Virginian, Henry was a slave-owner. Oh, well. Nobody said Uranus was consistent.]

"I did it my way." ["My Way" song popularized by Frank Sinatra]

"Better dead than a slave." [Friesian motto]

"Heads up!"
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