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'....It is of course much easier to do rectification
if the person is known to the astrologer really well over a long period of time,
but to just see a list of life occurrences without knowing the person
is mind numbing....'

For those interested in using Jyotish Rectification methods
http://shyamasundaradasa.com/jyotish...ification.html

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THE LIFE SPAN REVOLUTION
an example by KEN GILMAN
http://web.archive.org/web/200708071...dolfHitler.pdf
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Two excellent books that explain much about rectification in intense detail are:

http://www.worldastrology.net/ebooks

http://www.worldastrology.net/wp-con.../12/CA-III.pdf



And Henry Coley wrote:

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/clavis.html

http://skyscript.co.uk/pdf/Coley_clavis_astrologiae_elimata.pdf



Very in depth for the studious!
Thanks. I have read few pages and i liked them. I love traditional views of astrology
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Thanks. I have read few pages and i liked them.
I love traditional views of astrology
Detailed discussion William Lilly CHRISTIAN ASTROLOGY rectification methods http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=822
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hi. MY birthtime is not certain but it may approximately true..however I should be objective as much as I can when thinking my chart.

in 31 Dec 2011 at local time around 1:00pm grandfather was passed away..

(Can I use this for myself? more like he who was involved with this event..) however Indirectly We the whole family are so involved with his death.

Also Can I count on my sister or brother's birth time as an event? (I really wonder this for Ages!)


Are these possible ? (If yes, with my other personal events (with exact local time)..
They will hit Number of 4 or 5)

long before I got Jigsaw an extension software of Solar Fire by Astrolabe..
Which is include rectifying algorithm..


I couldn't handle how to use it correctly.
I'm not completely sure what I did with it..

That's why I rather prefer a human touch..

(Anyways I need your opinions for 2 question)

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hi. MY birthtime is not certain but it may approximately true..

however I should be objective as much as I can when thinking my chart.

in 31 Dec 2011 at local time around 1:00pm grandfather was passed away..

(Can I use this for myself? more like he who was involved with this event..)
however Indirectly We the whole family are so involved with his death.

Also Can I count on my sister or brother's birth time as an event? (I really wonder this for Ages!)


Are these possible ? (If yes, with my other personal events (with exact local time)..
They will hit Number of 4 or 5)

long before I got Jigsaw an extension software of Solar Fire by Astrolabe..
Which is include rectifying algorithm..


I couldn't handle how to use it correctly.
I'm not completely sure what I did with it..

That's why I rather prefer a human touch..

(Anyways I need your opinions for 2 question)
For rectification list major life events to study

for example

academic rewards, degree, diplomas, exams passed
operations, hospital admissions of any kind, accidents
relocation to new home, relocation abroad
marriages, divorces
births of own children as well as births of siblings
deaths
starting first job, leaving old job, starting new job
legal issues involving court appearances
anything important

at least ten of these major events are required

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An example of an ancient/traditional rectification technique is the “Animodar” method of rectification which is explained at this link
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/gl/animodar.html

Animodar is just one rectification technique of which there are many... These are just the basics... Good idea to assess/experiment with each method before drawing any firm conclusions.

Each astrologer has their own ideas as to which method is preferable and IMO fwiw then examine/experiment with all methods to find the method you prefer
I tried but I have a question.
How Mc or Asc are always be alongside with that Almuten planet of Lunation?

Do you think it makes sense?

Closest Lunation was a new moon that happened in 9th degree of Cancer..So Jupiter is Almuten planet if I'm not mistaken..Exaltion + Term rulership = 6 pts..Moon is still 5 with only Sign Rulership..

Jupiter the planet also Conjuncts My Moon
In Virgo

I guess I'm Leo Rising for Ages

I think it's not necessity Angles to be alongside with that Almuten planet..
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I tried but I have a question.
How Mc or Asc are always be alongside with that Almuten planet of Lunation?

Do you think it makes sense?

Closest Lunation was a new moon that happened in 9th degree of Cancer..So Jupiter is Almuten planet if I'm not mistaken..Exaltion + Term rulership = 6 pts..Moon is still 5 with only Sign Rulership..

Jupiter the planet also Conjuncts My Moon
In Virgo

I guess I'm Leo Rising for Ages

I think it's not necessity Angles to be alongside with that Almuten planet..

Physical Appearance is obviously a major factor


so keep in mind the Main Rulerships of 1st House

'....Life, vitality and health.
Stature, colour, complexion, form and shape of body.
Older sources note its influence upon the intellect, the way the mind works, and speech.
In general, the first house represents the focal point for the personality and manner of expression.
As well as describing the physical appearance,
the condition of this house and that of its planetary ruler indicates the level of personal vitality and strength
....' http://www.skyscript.co.uk/temples/h1.html
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Physical Appearance is obviously a major factor


so keep in mind the Main Rulerships of 1st House

'....Life, vitality and health.
Stature, colour, complexion, form and shape of body.
Older sources note its influence upon the intellect, the way the mind works, and speech.
In general, the first house represents the focal point for the personality and manner of expression.
As well as describing the physical appearance,
the condition of this house and that of its planetary ruler indicates the level of personal vitality and strength
....' http://www.skyscript.co.uk/temples/h1.html
Yes Right, these informations are.
Thanks for the responses.

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Hi HonourAndDevotion,

I just found that you give a birth time exactly on the half hour. I am suspicious of such times as they are rare.

If you have birth information (date, time, and place) for several events (first marriage, first child, or a serious accident give best results as firsts can only be first once in your life and accidents cannot have the same transits as prior or subsequent ones) I will apply my progressed lunar return technique to them.

I have proven the efficacy of the technique many hundreds of times using data for natural catastrophes with proven data for the event and for birth charts of many people using life events.

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Hi HonourAndDevotion,

I just found that you give a birth time exactly on the half hour. I am suspicious of such times as they are rare.

If you have birth information (date, time, and place) for several events (first marriage, first child, or a serious accident give best results as firsts can only be first once in your life and accidents cannot have the same transits as prior or subsequent ones) I will apply my progressed lunar return technique to them.

I have proven the efficacy of the technique many hundreds of times using data for natural catastrophes with proven data for the event and for birth charts of many people using life events.
Hi. Yes, found in my old posts maybe
it is 8:30am that Mother told me..

5 July 1992, in Istanbul Turkey other informations..

I thought many times before.
Tried to find out events with exact local time.. now I can say 4 event at least

Maybe it will be 6-7 If I start to think again..If you want to help, I will do my best

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Hi. Yes, found in my old posts maybe
it is 8:30am that Mother told me..

5 July 1992, in Istanbul Turkey other informations..

I thought many times before.
Tried to find out events with exact local time.. now I can say 4 event at least

Maybe it will be 6-7 If I start to think again..If you want to help, I will do my best
Keep in mind that rectification is approached differently by different astrologers

some astrologers use Sidereal
other astrologers use Tropical

and so
it is very important to have clarity
and question each astrologer as to whether that astrologer is using
Sidereal or Tropical
to avoid potential misunderstanding
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Hi. Yes, found in my old posts maybe
it is 8:30am that Mother told me..

5 July 1992, in Istanbul Turkey other informations..
Hi HonourAndDevotion

If you were a full term natural birth and conceived in the same place you were born, the pre-natal epoch system says the most likely time is 8.16.30 am.

You can use births and deaths in the family for rectification. I even use parents birthdates.

I am not surprised you are having problems using Jigsaw, to me it is the most difficult rectification program available. You might like to check out Alphee Lavoie's rectification program; http://www.alphee.com/; I haven't used it myself but have heard it is very good.

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Hi HonourAndDevotion

If you were a full term natural birth and conceived in the same place you were born,
the pre-natal epoch system says the most likely time is 8.16.30 am.

You can use births and deaths in the family for rectification. I even use parents birthdates.

I am not surprised you are having problems using Jigsaw, to me it is the most difficult rectification program available. You might like to check out Alphee Lavoie's rectification program; http://www.alphee.com/; I haven't used it myself but have heard it is very good.

Alice
to check the pre-natal epoch method
detailed instructions
on how to calculate the pre-natal Epoch Rectification Method
may be viewed FOR FREE at
http://www.rosicrucian.com/zineen/pamen034.htm

all rectification techniques have the purpose of determining/establishing the Ascendant


and clearly

The Ascendant demarcates the time of birth

also, a book titled: THE PRENATAL EPOCH by E H Bailey
is available on amazon
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Keep in mind that rectification is approached differently by different astrologers

some astrologers use Sidereal
other astrologers use Tropical

and so
it is very important to have clarity
and question each astrologer as to whether that astrologer is using
Sidereal or Tropical
to avoid potential misunderstanding
I always thought Sidereal for only Vedic system. Anyways I can be attentive
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Hi HonourAndDevotion

If you were a full term natural birth and conceived in the same place you were born, the pre-natal epoch system says the most likely time is 8.16.30 am.

You can use births and deaths in the family for rectification. I even use parents birthdates.

I am not surprised you are having problems using Jigsaw, to me it is the most difficult rectification program available. You might like to check out Alphee Lavoie's rectification program; http://www.alphee.com/; I haven't used it myself but have heard it is very good.

Alice
Yes, I was born naturally.
Epoch system? I learned a new thing
Law 3: (When the Moon at birth is increasing in light and below the horizon,the period of gestation is longer than the norm)

Probably I was born 3 or 4 days lately
It was a hard an painful birth and
at least 4.5 kg was my birth weight..The way I remember by she say.

Let's assume 14 degree is true, distance from the Moon is 34 degrees..
Order 3 says divide it by 13..
34/13=2...

Hmm perhaps I should ask to her again for This was how many days.
Maybe I remember wrong.


Thank you for giving me a different sight Alice.

I knew it must be something like that.
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Well if you were born in the us, Canada or other highly intrusive birthing countries "natural" is not the same as vaginal and 80% of hospital births in north America include pitocin and similar interventions with effect length of labour and so time of birth. And medically speaking, the length of a woman's cycle is what determines length of pregnancy, along with height and maternal & natal health. I'd use a different method.
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I always thought Sidereal for only Vedic system.
Anyways I can be attentive
Interestingly, a minority of Vedic astrologers use Tropical
and
a minority of western astrologers use Sidereal
for example our member unique_astrology is a sidereal western astrologer

other western sidereal astrologers include:
KENNETH BOWSER
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shnP...MMnyz0o97Ljxo7


Sidereal Western astrological interpretation may be found at
SOLUNARS http://www.solunars.com/interp/

and
SOLUNARS has a Western Sidereal Astrology Forum
http://www.solunars.net/

very few western astrologers offer a rectification service
Traditional Western Astrologer MARTIN GANSTEN offers rectification
http://www.martingansten.com/btr.php
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For what it's worth, the Hellenistic astrologers did not make a distinction between increasing and decreasing Moon. Let say Cancer is the Ascendant.

Cancer - 273
Leo - 275 1/2
Virgo - 278
Libra - 280 1/2
Scorpio - 283
Sagittarius - 285 1/2
Capricorn below the horizon - 288
Capricorn above the horizon - 258
Aquarius - 260 1/2
Pisces - 263
Aries - 265 1/2
Taurus - 268
Gemini - 270 1/2

Method on determining seven and eight month births are various, one (by Valens) is taking the Moon at the previous year and the following year and comparing their aspects to the natal Moon, the other (Hephaistio) uses the conception and natal sygyzys. Neither of their methods satisfy me. I think the placement and configurations of the Moon could indicate premature birth
- https://www.astro.com/astro-databank...th_:_Premature

Hephaistio says that Antigonus rejects all such methods, which is quite curious.
thankyou for this useful information - I add it now to our ongoing discussion
for anyone interested the above comment is originally posted
at
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=877545&posted=1#post877545
during a discussion of an experimental rectification using prenatal epoch
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In my opinion, rectification is invariably a "SWAG" ("Scientific Wild-*** Guess," a phrase I first saw used by nuclear engineers to describe their design methodology). That said, I used what was basically the method described in the original post to attempt rectification of my parents' birth charts, coming up with something that was "within the realm of reason." I won't go into the details, but in my mother's case, transiting Saturn sitting almost exactly on her Ascendant at the time of her death, and in my father's case, transiting Sun and Venus directly on his Midheaven at the time of his second marriage (both times accurately recorded) looked like signature events. Not enough by itself to take to the bank, but a good start.
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In my opinion, rectification is invariably a "SWAG" ("Scientific Wild-*** Guess," a phrase I first saw used by nuclear engineers to describe their design methodology). That said, I used what was basically the method described in the original post to attempt rectification of my parents' birth charts, coming up with something that was "within the realm of reason." I won't go into the details, but in my mother's case, transiting Saturn sitting almost exactly on her Ascendant at the time of her death, and in my father's case, transiting Sun and Venus directly on his Midheaven at the time of his second marriage (both times accurately recorded) looked like signature events. Not enough by itself to take to the bank, but a good start.
Interesting example of rectification using PRE-NATAL EPOCH
aka TRUTINE OF HERMES
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https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...d=1#post877545
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Chris Brennan with useful comments on reliability of times of birth

THE ASTROLOGY PODCAST
LIVE STREAMING TEST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7NPihS6xjU
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how checking using basic rectification is procedure he continually researches
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With many thanks to petosiris
for the following example rectification using THRASYLLUS method

https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...&postcount=343


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Another example, with the newly elected Mexican President - https://www.astro.com/astro-databank..._Andres_Manuel

According to the AA source, the birth occurred at 2:00, quite unlikely, like most rounded off births. Let's use Thrasyllus' method again.

1) We determine the ascensional degrees from the Sun to the Moon. We mark 81 as the solar gnomon.
2) We determine the ascensional degrees from the degree opposite the Sun - this is 23.
3) We multiply 23 by 12 and again by the hour of the nativity, with the fractions. Since the birth occurred at the beginning of the ninth hour - 23 x 12 x 8 - 360 x 6 = 48 which is less than the solar gnomon.
4) We add 7 minutes to the time of birth and with 23 x 12 x 8.12 - 360 x 6 = 81 and we get the ''real'' Ascendant.

Jupiter is Lord of the Year and in the place of Good Daimon with Fortune. The Lightbringer also profects to its exaltation. Note that he was not elected with the same profections 12 years ago. Since the Ruler of the Peak was in the place of the Bad Daimon in the 2005 solar revolution, in this Revolution she is with Jupiter to the degree making a phase.

Since the rising time of Libra is 32.5, doubled it makes the stellium operative. And since the rising time of Gemini is 33 and of Virgo is 31.25, it makes the Jupiter square Mars productive of rank, politics and authority (as are the rising times of Virgo and Capricorn for that partile trine). And since half of the rising time of Gemini is 16.5 and 4 times the years of Jupiter = 64.5, it makes it even more operative.

And since the year is multiple of 5, which is the special interval point of Venus (inferior trine), it makes the profection of Jupiter and Fortune even stronger than the last one, and according to Valens ''The configurations of the stars and their aspects with each other (especially the aspects with the Lot of Fortune) are effective in the chronocratorships which are in harmony. (The whole is seen and arises from the aspects of the Lot of Fortune and from its ruler'' - https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt...s%20entire.pdf
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hello there.
i will appreciate it someone can help me with this.
I was almost certain that birth time was 7:10-12 p.m however was qtold by someone
that its actually 6:30 p.m. I have attached both charts.
I am a doctor by profession.
Attained higher qualification as well.
Currently working in a job that i no longer want to
but do not have any other opportunity at this moment so cannot leave.
I am currently residing in my motherland
(different from my birth country).
If any further information is required i’d happily
Plenty of information on this thread for you regarding natal chart rectification
if you read over the many examples
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In Ptolemy,
masculine planets make male babies, feminine planets make female babies.

But as sexist as trad goes, masculine planets are also taken as generally better, more active,
and generating their good or bad effects earlier in life.

Morning planets can indicate first-born siblings
compared to evening planets indicating younger siblings,
because of this.

It is also used by Ptolemy to judge sexuality
(if Sun, Moon, Mars and Venus are predominantly masculine in a female chart in most of these ways, they make lesbians,
in a male chart, an ''adulterous male'', and vice versa with feminine planets,
homosexual in a male chart, an ''adulterous female'' in a female chart).

He also says that Venus under the rays (or combust)
makes the woman play ''the part of mistress'', though I haven't checked that out.
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