piercethevale
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Greetings.
I was musing over the chart i have proposed is that of Jesus/Yeshu'a, a couple of days ago. I was thinking about the procession of the Zodiac and that it moves a degree apprx. every 72 years and the fact that it is apparent [and was confirmed through a reading with my clairvoyant friend, Clarisse Conner] that the influences of the Sabian Symbols are not moving.
If they did move, then a person living to be 84 years old, which is the basic life span unit of time, would in fact not be making the transition of from the Asc., "WHO", 180* across to the Desc., "WHERE-TO", but rather a transition of 181* as the desired target will have proceeded one degree. This is by following the Zodiac in a 'Spiritually Evolutionarial" manner, i.e. 'clock-wise', through the degrees of the Zodiac.
Of course I can't produce a birth chart per se, but I can give a description of the chart axis and explain why I think this was His. Those of you not familiar with chart axis interpretation via the Sabian Symbols, I urge you to read the chapter, "The Cross and the Star", in Dane Rudhyar's book, "An Astrological Mandala" or at this link: http://mindfire.ca/The Sabian Symbols/An Astrological Mandala - The Cross and the Star.htm
As it dawned on me that there is a possibility at times for someone to be born with a chart axis in a perfect 'cross' of 90* angles, all around, as to the last degree, i.e. the 30th, of the Mutable Signs.
Thus a chart axis that incorporates the 30th degrees of Gemini, Virgo, Sagittarius and Pisces.
This is how I see Adam's chart axis [or Ish, to those of you of the Jewish faith.]
The Asc., the "WHO", is Sagittarius 30* [ibid.]
"THE POPE, BLESSING THE FAITHFUL.
KEYNOTE: The need to pay homage to traditional values upon which the Invisible Community of the spirit is built.
The concrete integration of myriads of human individuals within a great religious institution with a long tradition reflects, as well as having produced century after century, an invisible spiritual Community. The 'flag bearer' has now become the 'Pope,' who assumes the role of God's representative on earth. It is a role, but culture is based on embodying great Images and deeply moving symbols in physical reality. The symbol asks of the individual: 'Are you willing to live a transpersonal life as a symbol?' This is the final and supreme statement of that section of the cycle of the year represented by Sagittarius.
This concludes Scene Eighteen. A collectivity of human beings is seen having 'transferred' their sense of spiritual value to a man who has become an incarnation of their common ideal. Keywords: PERSONALIZED WORSHIP. It can be a blessing or in some cases, a curse."
The Desc., the "WHERE-TO", is Gemini 30* [ibid.]
"A PARADE OF BATHING BEAUTIES BEFORE LARGE BEACH CROWDS.
KEYNOTE: The setting of social standards through personal excellence and competition.
In this very American scene we see a very ancient and basic process which can operate at several levels. Society sets certain collectively acceptable cultural standards, and recompenses by prestige and fame the persons who embody them, physically or mentally. This generates emulation and the desire to bring the social images to their most perfect and concrete manifestation. The archetypal image or canon of proportion is thus incarnated for all to behold and be fascinated by. The process of exteriorization is completed.
This is the last phase of the sixth scene. In the zodiac the spring season has come to a close. It is summer solstice. Fulfillment leads to new demands upon the individual human consciousness. The SHOW is over. Now comes the hour of decision."
The M.C., the "HOW", of a life lived in pursuit of spiritual evolution, is Virgo 30* [ibid.]
"TOTALLY INTENT UPON COMPLETING AN IMMEDIATE TASK, A MAN IS DEAF TO ANY ALLUREMENT.
KEYNOTE: The total concentration required for reaching any spiritual goal.
This is the final symbol of the first half of the cycle. In the year cycle the fall equinox is now at hand; autumn begins. Through spring and summer many ways and byways have been experienced. The last message of this hemicycle of 'Individualization' is that on all decisive occasions what must be done has to be done so intently that no outer voices can penetrate the mind, still less the soul. The neophyte stands at the gates of the sacred Pyramid. There is only one step he can take — ahead, or he is lost.
This is the culminating step, the decision that results from a myriad of small choices. Still a shadow of hesitation can remain. Attention may be distracted from the Now by a voice from the past, glamorizing some old memory. The outer doors of perception and thought must be closed, so the soul can complete its CONQUEST OF ILLUSION."
...and remember, if you will, that Dane Rudhyar wrote; "All true paths of discipleship begin in Virgo."
The I.C., the "WHY", is Pisces 30*. [ibid.]
"A MAJESTIC ROCK FORMATION RESEMBLING A FACE IS IDEALIZED BY A BOY WHO TAKES IT AS HIS IDEAL OF GREATNESS, AND AS HE GROWS UP, BEGINS TO LOOK LIKE IT.
KEYNOTE: The power of clearly visualized ideals to mold the life of the visualizer.
Nathaniel Hawthorne's story 'The Great Stone Face' is used here in an allegorical sense to show the capacity for self-transformation latent in man. This power can be developed through visualization, when the emotions and the will are poured into the visualized mental image. At the highest spiritual-cosmic level this is the power used by the God-like Beings at the close of a cosmic cycle in projecting the basic Formula (the Word) which will start a new universe. In a biological sense, it is the power latent in all seeds — the power to produce and guide the growth of the future plant. A most fitting symbol for the last phase of the cyclic process. Within the end of the cycle the seed of a new beginning exists in potency — unless the entire cycle has proven to be a failure.
This is the last stage of the last scene of the great ritual play of cyclic transformations. It brings to us a realization of the power of archetypes as factors conditioning life processes. Thus we could use as a final Keyword: ARCHETYPALIZATION."
Lilith, the ***** that preceded Eve [or Isha, to those of you of the Jewish faith] tried to seduce and lure Adam into a materialistic life of desire. Thus Lilith would have had to be associated with the first degree in the opposite direction of a life lead in a spiritually evolutionary manner, that is counter clockwise [the, so called, "Traditional" astrological direction of procession through the 360 degrees of the Zodiac.] That is, the 1st degree of Capricorn.
...this is my theory, at present.
ptv
I was musing over the chart i have proposed is that of Jesus/Yeshu'a, a couple of days ago. I was thinking about the procession of the Zodiac and that it moves a degree apprx. every 72 years and the fact that it is apparent [and was confirmed through a reading with my clairvoyant friend, Clarisse Conner] that the influences of the Sabian Symbols are not moving.
If they did move, then a person living to be 84 years old, which is the basic life span unit of time, would in fact not be making the transition of from the Asc., "WHO", 180* across to the Desc., "WHERE-TO", but rather a transition of 181* as the desired target will have proceeded one degree. This is by following the Zodiac in a 'Spiritually Evolutionarial" manner, i.e. 'clock-wise', through the degrees of the Zodiac.
Of course I can't produce a birth chart per se, but I can give a description of the chart axis and explain why I think this was His. Those of you not familiar with chart axis interpretation via the Sabian Symbols, I urge you to read the chapter, "The Cross and the Star", in Dane Rudhyar's book, "An Astrological Mandala" or at this link: http://mindfire.ca/The Sabian Symbols/An Astrological Mandala - The Cross and the Star.htm
As it dawned on me that there is a possibility at times for someone to be born with a chart axis in a perfect 'cross' of 90* angles, all around, as to the last degree, i.e. the 30th, of the Mutable Signs.
Thus a chart axis that incorporates the 30th degrees of Gemini, Virgo, Sagittarius and Pisces.
This is how I see Adam's chart axis [or Ish, to those of you of the Jewish faith.]
The Asc., the "WHO", is Sagittarius 30* [ibid.]
"THE POPE, BLESSING THE FAITHFUL.
KEYNOTE: The need to pay homage to traditional values upon which the Invisible Community of the spirit is built.
The concrete integration of myriads of human individuals within a great religious institution with a long tradition reflects, as well as having produced century after century, an invisible spiritual Community. The 'flag bearer' has now become the 'Pope,' who assumes the role of God's representative on earth. It is a role, but culture is based on embodying great Images and deeply moving symbols in physical reality. The symbol asks of the individual: 'Are you willing to live a transpersonal life as a symbol?' This is the final and supreme statement of that section of the cycle of the year represented by Sagittarius.
This concludes Scene Eighteen. A collectivity of human beings is seen having 'transferred' their sense of spiritual value to a man who has become an incarnation of their common ideal. Keywords: PERSONALIZED WORSHIP. It can be a blessing or in some cases, a curse."
The Desc., the "WHERE-TO", is Gemini 30* [ibid.]
"A PARADE OF BATHING BEAUTIES BEFORE LARGE BEACH CROWDS.
KEYNOTE: The setting of social standards through personal excellence and competition.
In this very American scene we see a very ancient and basic process which can operate at several levels. Society sets certain collectively acceptable cultural standards, and recompenses by prestige and fame the persons who embody them, physically or mentally. This generates emulation and the desire to bring the social images to their most perfect and concrete manifestation. The archetypal image or canon of proportion is thus incarnated for all to behold and be fascinated by. The process of exteriorization is completed.
This is the last phase of the sixth scene. In the zodiac the spring season has come to a close. It is summer solstice. Fulfillment leads to new demands upon the individual human consciousness. The SHOW is over. Now comes the hour of decision."
The M.C., the "HOW", of a life lived in pursuit of spiritual evolution, is Virgo 30* [ibid.]
"TOTALLY INTENT UPON COMPLETING AN IMMEDIATE TASK, A MAN IS DEAF TO ANY ALLUREMENT.
KEYNOTE: The total concentration required for reaching any spiritual goal.
This is the final symbol of the first half of the cycle. In the year cycle the fall equinox is now at hand; autumn begins. Through spring and summer many ways and byways have been experienced. The last message of this hemicycle of 'Individualization' is that on all decisive occasions what must be done has to be done so intently that no outer voices can penetrate the mind, still less the soul. The neophyte stands at the gates of the sacred Pyramid. There is only one step he can take — ahead, or he is lost.
This is the culminating step, the decision that results from a myriad of small choices. Still a shadow of hesitation can remain. Attention may be distracted from the Now by a voice from the past, glamorizing some old memory. The outer doors of perception and thought must be closed, so the soul can complete its CONQUEST OF ILLUSION."
...and remember, if you will, that Dane Rudhyar wrote; "All true paths of discipleship begin in Virgo."
The I.C., the "WHY", is Pisces 30*. [ibid.]
"A MAJESTIC ROCK FORMATION RESEMBLING A FACE IS IDEALIZED BY A BOY WHO TAKES IT AS HIS IDEAL OF GREATNESS, AND AS HE GROWS UP, BEGINS TO LOOK LIKE IT.
KEYNOTE: The power of clearly visualized ideals to mold the life of the visualizer.
Nathaniel Hawthorne's story 'The Great Stone Face' is used here in an allegorical sense to show the capacity for self-transformation latent in man. This power can be developed through visualization, when the emotions and the will are poured into the visualized mental image. At the highest spiritual-cosmic level this is the power used by the God-like Beings at the close of a cosmic cycle in projecting the basic Formula (the Word) which will start a new universe. In a biological sense, it is the power latent in all seeds — the power to produce and guide the growth of the future plant. A most fitting symbol for the last phase of the cyclic process. Within the end of the cycle the seed of a new beginning exists in potency — unless the entire cycle has proven to be a failure.
This is the last stage of the last scene of the great ritual play of cyclic transformations. It brings to us a realization of the power of archetypes as factors conditioning life processes. Thus we could use as a final Keyword: ARCHETYPALIZATION."
Lilith, the ***** that preceded Eve [or Isha, to those of you of the Jewish faith] tried to seduce and lure Adam into a materialistic life of desire. Thus Lilith would have had to be associated with the first degree in the opposite direction of a life lead in a spiritually evolutionary manner, that is counter clockwise [the, so called, "Traditional" astrological direction of procession through the 360 degrees of the Zodiac.] That is, the 1st degree of Capricorn.
...this is my theory, at present.
ptv
etween Lilith and Eve... Do you think?