david starling
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E=mc2 is interesting, although the explanation in physics is predictably boring.
E=mc2 is interesting, although the explanation in physics is predictably boring.
Yes I agree he’s no longer what’s needed. It is quite funny the stuff he says and my sense of humour allows me to laugh at the trolling side of Trump, but we can’t have leaders like him anymore, it’s like giving a green ticket to smaller economic countries (like Brazil) to do the same.
(BTW I think earlier when I said ‘I don’t want to get into politics with you’ it came across stern but I actually should have said ‘not that I’m trying to start a debate about politics but...’ that was more the tone in my head at the time).
So Brazil does not have a right to manage their own territory?
"Giving a green ticket", essentially saying south american countries require permission of the great european powers to develop their own economy, or face some form of retribution? Europe destroyed its own forests over their 200 year expansion period, and never bothered to to rebuild them. But Brazil can't do the same. Why?
Moon just ingressing into cancer is interesting , although the explanation in transits is predictably boring.
So Brazil does not have a right to manage their own territory?
"Giving a green ticket", essentially saying south american countries require permission of the great european powers to develop their own economy, or face some form of retribution? Europe destroyed its own forests over their 200 year expansion period, and never bothered to to rebuild them. But Brazil can't do the same. Why?
It’s not about requiring permission but giving a green ticket was about being environmentally friendly in the West, or setting a good example. It’s not about ownership either but moderating all countries who go off into extremism. We interfered in WW1&2 but was that about ownership too?
While I understand the importance of debating sedantics, the call to save animals from humans requires action. We can all stop consuming meat and boycotting products containing palm oil for one.
If it's about money for the Brazilian economy, Brazil should use its possession of the Amazon Rainforest to extort money: Pay us to maintain the Rainforest or we'll continue destroying it.
20% of the Earth's oxygen supply depends on it, so it's an effective threat.
Ok so, in your view they should extort other people for money.
This is the natural consequence of expansion and a rising population, throwing money at them is a short-term solution which wouldn't work. Specially because the fires are not caused by the goverment, but rather the small farmers who are trying to increase their plots of land.
Presumably, the money would come with a proviso attached: Pay the small farmers NOT to destroy the Rainforest.
We have programs in the U.S. paying farmers not to plant certain crops, and those are long-term programs.
Dirius, what's your solution? Are you against all zoning regulations, of any kind?
Hmmm....just saw several articles from different sources claiming it's some big corporations, teaming up with the Government, that's responsible for most of the damage; and, that they're hiding behind a "small farmers are doing it on their own" facade. Looks credible.
So then countries like Brazil have no right to exploit their own resources? and they need to be "moderated" by other countries? Seems a bit authoritarian to me.
It is very easy to call for environmental awareness when you are living in an industrialized country, in essence, a country who has already exploited its natural resources to the last one and cared little for the environment while doing so. Brazil is a developing nation who is trying to escape poverty, but they can't do the same as your country did? Why?
You are condeming the people of Brazil to poverty in the name of the environment, while you live in a society that enjoys every perk of having exploited the environment.
Actually veganism wouldn't help because you would still require large amounts of land to produce enough quantity of vegetables to feed the entire world. It is kind of the same situation, whether it is meat or vegetables. Brazil is a growing country going through the stage of expansionism, so what is happening is rather unavoidable.