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I think you will find that the general consenus of astrologers who are experienced agree that the ascendant ruler is the chart ruler. The sun is always the strongest planet or influence if you are going to argue that. We filter everything through the ascendant and any planets in the first. The ruler and its placement and aspects are absolutely crucial and will influence the life greatly, always.

You dont want your particular ascendant ruler to be the ruler of your chart and you are like a lot of people who will try to find aspects etc to offset or negate what they dont like about their charts e.g. fixed stars, aspects and other placements. This is perfectly normal and human.

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Hi Claire.

It may be the case that most astrologers today consider the Ascendant ruler to be the ruler of the horoscope itself, but that does not mean that it is necessarily the best or only way to see things. I simply argue that the Ascendant ruler is just that - the Ascendant ruler. If we are to talk of the planet with the greatest presidency over the horoscope at large, then I simply intended to refresh the discussion with an alternative opinion, which is that the planet having the greatest dignity has the greatest power at it's disposal and so is the front runner of our astrological make-up, as we usually lead with our strengths. I'm not trying to down-play the importance of the Ascendant ruler, not at all, I'm simply trying to distinguish it from the ruler of the chart as a whole if we are to discuss what that actually is.

I'm fine with the ruler of my own Ascendant, and I'm not trying to negate anything I don't like about my chart. I don't like or dislike anything about my chart to be honest, I don't make value judgements about a horoscope. It is what it is.

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I am not offended at all. I am passionate about astrology and have strong feelings and beliefs perhaps come across as pedantic.

THere is so much misinformation abounding that it frustrates me as an astrologer for so many years when I see advice given that can be dangerous through ignorance and inexperience. I am not referring to you at all and feel that what you say is valid and logical and very well put. I guess really it is a matter of personal experience and perception. In my case the ascendant or chart ruler as I see it, is very significant because it is heavily aspected and part of a stellium and indeed rules my chart so to speak. So that is why I am perhaps biased.

I find this website most interesting and so professional and am learning a lot even at my stage in life.

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Mercury retrograde plus challenging Moon Mercury aspects in my chart is causing problems. First of all my mother who is aged is not eating and this causes concern. Also she is Gemini. We are finding problems with getting contracts signed and there is confusion and delay and also getting lost whilst travelling locally. All this belongs to Mercury retrograde....

Thankfully it doesnt last forever and we can make allowances for delay in everyday communications, such as mail, phone, fax, short distance travel, everything under the 3rd house umbrella as well as where our Mercury is.

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The manifestation of our destiny is strongly influenced by our north node and its aspects as the true most meaningful path for this lifetime. The house which holds the most planets or is the heaviest aspected will also show the areas of greater importance in this life. Always remembering that the Sun is the driving force always. Even an empty house has a ruler and that planets has aspects. However will not be of paramount importance or greatest effect felt. Perhaps there is no one planet that rules our chart. Everyone is different of course and some of us have stronger placements than others and we lead a very much different life than an average person leading a mundane existence where nothing out of the ordinary happens. They may have chosen this as a respite from heavy experiences in the past. Also many people have horrendous experiences and triumph over them and become stronger and make their mark in the world where others can fold at the least little obstacle. I guess it depends on the soul level of evolvement which is not so easy to discern by looking just at a chart.

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There are those that say that some are blessed with an "easy" chart and others are not. There is in my opinion no such thing as luck, good or otherwise. In my belief we are sowing and reaping our karma always. Also we choose the time to reincarnate and where and to whom. I always felt unlucky and not worthy of any of the goods of life and a victim of fate and felt that life was unfair but as I matured and began to study astrology and other doctrines I realised there was a rhyme and reason and an order in the Universe. All debts will be paid and all credits received. Also so called tragedies are often opportunities to grow and at the least a karmic debt may be paid. That "bad things happen to good people" is a judgement made by others on the basis of this lifetime only.... There are still many things that perplex, worry and appal me I have to say and I have a long way to go to true enlightenment but I am on the path as so many of you are.

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I agree with almost all of what has been mentioned in Draco's post. The way I go about it is looking at which planet has natural strength (e.g. Sun in Leo or in another fire sign) and/or making maximum aspects (so energies are actively participating in the chart/native's life) to other planets. To me too, simply going by the set rule that the planet ruling the point (Asc), which marks off the first house in the chart, and therefore being crowned as the ruler of the chart does not logically appeal to my Mercury (Aquarian mind).

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This is my first reply in this community, so I would like to say hi to everyone!

I have read different ideas on chart rulership, and I am still not convinced that I have an overall chart ruler. I have Pluto 11 deg 12' Libra conjunct the ASC at 12 deg 39' Libra, Venus is at 9 deg 15' Aquarius, and Uranus is at 7 deg 01' Scorpio. Alan Oken, in his book "Rulers of the Horoscope" (106), would say that since Pluto is within 3 degrees of the ASC from the 12th house, that it is my chart ruler. Most astrologers, as I have seen on this thread, say that Venus is my ruler, because it is the ruler of my ASC. Draco, however, says that the planet with the best overall strenth is the ruler of my chart. Astro.com puts Uranus as my most powerful planet.

So, after doing a dispositor tree, I figured out that Venus in Aquarius disposits Pluto in Libra, Pluto in Libra disposits Uranus in Scorpio, and Uranus in Scorpio disposits Venus in Aquarius. Then, all of the other planets answer to Uranus. This is assuming that we are using Modern Rulerships. In traditional astrology, Saturn in Cancer and the Moon in Aquarius disposit each other. Then, all of the other planets answer to Saturn.

Here is my chart in case anyone wants to reference my information.
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As far as aspects go, all four of these planets have negative aspects with other planets or important angles. Pluto with the ASC and MC; Uranus with the Moon, Mercury and Venus; Saturn with the Moon and Jupiter/Chiron; and Venus with Uranus. Saturn is accidentally dignified in the 10th house, if you acknowledge that, but it has no positive aspects, unless you consider mutual reception a positive aspect. Also, Uranus is exalted in Scorpio, if you acknowledge Modern rulerships/exaltations.

Kevin Burk, in his book "Understanding The Birth Chart" (190), says that a committee runs the chart while interpreting Sylvester Stallone's chart. This, I would agree with more, than saying that a single planet rules my chart.

So, I am unconvinced of having a single planet ruling over my chart. This does not mean that I am right, and will listen to others opinions on this matter. It just means that I do not see one planet ruling over my chart. Once again, I am happy to be here, and hello to everyone!

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I keep reading different things and I'm getting confused. Is the natal chart ruler the ruler of the sun sign, the ruler of the rising sign or the ruler of the sign with the most planets?
THe planet that rules the chart is the ascendant sign planet. That we may have other strong placements just means we have emphasis there. The aspects to the ascendant and its ruler are extremely important and is the filter through which we see our environment, our survival tactics and our mask or image that is presented to the world and forms the first impression which may or may not be true to our real basic character.
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I agree with almost all of what has been mentioned in Draco's post. The way I go about it is looking at which planet has natural strength (e.g. Sun in Leo or in another fire sign) and/or making maximum aspects (so energies are actively participating in the chart/native's life) to other planets. To me too, simply going by the set rule that the planet ruling the point (Asc), which marks off the first house in the chart, and therefore being crowned as the ruler of the chart does not logically appeal to my Mercury (Aquarian mind).

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I have Sun in Leo and Venus in Libra and take due note of their strong position. It does not change my conviction that with Pisces rising Neptune is the ruler of my chart and the aspects that it makes are predominant influences in my life, the way I look and the mask I present to the world. Also body weaknesses or strengths. Also our ascendant is often the same as the sun sign of predominant family members and this is true for me as well as other close relatives.
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I keep reading different things and I'm getting confused. Is the natal chart ruler the ruler of the sun sign, the ruler of the rising sign or the ruler of the sign with the most planets?
Chart ruler is the planet ruling your ascendant sign. However the Sun is always very important especially if it aspects your ascendant. It will influence the way you present yourself, your persona and your body image.
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I don't like or dislike anything about my chart to be honest, I don't make value judgements about a horoscope. It is what it is.
Fascinating point of view, Draco. I think I'll try adopting that for a while and play with it.
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The planet rules the chart is the strongest planet in the chart, which is quite different from the ruler of the ascendant.

There are traditional delicate methods to calculate your chart ruler(Almutem Figuris)as below:

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Judge which planet has the highest marks in accidental and esstiall diginities in different sign, exal, triplicity, term , face.

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Calculate the essential dignity of 7 stars(sun, moon etc) in 5 points(Ascendant, Sun, Moon, POF, The Szygy (Full Moon before birth)).

Then we have to think about whether it is DIAE, HORA,then we calculate the marks of houses. The planet with the highest marks will be the ruler of the chart. We need to notice that, the chart ruler may not be the strongest, it may be even afflicted due to its heavy burden. This planet will have great influence on the nativity's destiny, for better or worse.


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Download ZET 8(free astrology software which can calculate all sorts of system and arabic points and firdia with every triplicity, term and face etc.), it can show our chart ruler(Almutem Figuris).
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I keep reading different things and I'm getting confused. Is the natal chart ruler the ruler of the sun sign, the ruler of the rising sign or the ruler of the sign with the most planets?
The ruler is the planet ruling the ascendant sign and if any planet right on the ascendant within 2 degrees then it takes precedence. The aspects from the chart ruler i.e. ruler of the ascendant, are of paramount importance.
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Up until the early 1900s the planet that ruled your chart (and I still use it) was the almuten figuris, or Lord/Lady of the Geniture - the planet with the most dignity in the five hylegiacal places - Sun, Moon, Ascendant, Fortuna, and the pre-natal syzygy (the new or full moon immediately preceding birth).

It still works, and better than the ascendant ruler in my experience. But bear in mind that the astrology created pre-1700 (then it fell asleep for a couple hundred years) and the astrology created circa 1880 onwards are not focussed on the same things, nor does modern astrology use most of the older techniques - and classical astrology doesn't use the outer planets as they cast no light. So it makes sense that each system would have its own form of chart rulership.
Astrology is ruled by Uranus the planet of the future, the modern and the new trends so I guess it is always evolving as a science.
I think the chart ruler which is the ascendant ruler in my view will give great clues to the way we filter the world around us, how we present and even to the extent of health issues at times. How we learn survival tactics and although a planet may be strong with its own sign, dignity or heavily aspected or whatever it plays a huge part but is not the chart ruler.
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Very, very interesting thread. Thank you Summer Joy for the original post.

The question you asked is a question i have often thought about. And. the answers were interesting, informative and comprehensive. Thank you everyone.
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Here's an interesting notion. I can guess a person's MAs ercury sign with say 90% accuracy 8)

When I first started doing astrology, I was focused on Sun signs (so novice, huh? :roll: ). I figured a good way to learn was to try to guess the Sun sign of the person after a few conversations. My guess was wrong about the Sun sign a lot of the time, but I noticed that what I thought was the Sun sign was almost always the Mercury sign. So I started playing with that. After a few conversations with a person I'd start to guess the sign they strike me as the most then check the placement Mercury. I am almost always right :!:

Now, I don't know if Mercury has this much effect on a person or I just find easy to feel the Mercury vibe since it is the ruling planet in my chart. Does the same thing happen to you?
As Mercury is the planet of conversation then I can see how you may pick that one. I find that often the Sun sign is the same anyway as they are so close. It is interesting to see how a Leo Mercury will use words like "shine" "good as gold" "hearty".

Mercury in Capricorn will say "how is it going, son?" "top that one.", Gets on my goat."

Taurus Mercury can use words like "bulldust" "steady as she goes" "rooted."

Pisces will say "go with the flow". "Feeling like I am drowning" "Good Lord!" . "Out of my depth."
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I keep reading different things and I'm getting confused. Is the natal chart ruler the ruler of the sun sign, the ruler of the rising sign or the ruler of the sign with the most planets?
I used to see the final dispositors the areas of life where all the energy is expressed through. If the Moon was the final dispositor of everything, I would say that every other planet in the chain expresses itself through the emotions. Astrolog gives you the dispositor graphs if you want to look at them,

As for the chart ruler discussion, the ruler of the ASC flavors the chart in favor of your rising sign. My ASC ruler is Jupiter, so everything in the chart gets an expansive nature. I may be wrong, but when interpreting charts, I would always add that bit in. (I do it for friends sometimes, just basic readings)
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In your case, Chris, your ascendant ruler and almuten are one in the same, which is why you see everything in a kind of Jupiterian way. In most charts, that isn't the case, though.
So, is the 'chart ruler' the almuten or the ruler of the ascendant? I have noticed that the ascendant ruler colors the rest of the chart. If Venus is the ascendant ruler, they see beauty in everything. If the ascendant ruler is Saturn, then they have a pessimistic view on life. I have Jupiter on the ascendant, so I have an expansive view on everything (There is always more than whats really there)

I have always considered the chart ruler to be the ascendant ruler because of the effect on how they view life.
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I've also been wondering about what the chart ruler really is the last few days and now this thread has come up. I've been doing a bit of googling and there is a wide variety of ideas. Sometimes I think the internet is a misinformation station.

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[color=orange] I've always felt that the ASC or Rising Sign and its ruling Planet has a major influence throughout the whole incarnation...
Second to the Ascendent and its ruling planet, I feel the Sun Sign and its ruling Planet is the next hierarchical power so to speak.
Anyway, another interesting thing that I read somewhere on the net, is that the chart ruler can also be the planet that has the most aspects by looking at the number of lines connected with that planet in the natal chart. I'm sure this may not be the case for everyone but in my case the two planets with the most aspects (5 lines) are Uranus (my Aquarius Asc) and Neptune (my Pisces sun). I find this quite interesting and baffling. My mum and husband's chart isn't quite as clearcut as mine. I suppose there is always going to be a variety of approaches to this. It's confusing.
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I keep reading different things and I'm getting confused. Is the natal chart ruler the ruler of the sun sign, the ruler of the rising sign or the ruler of the sign with the most planets?
Some people say that the chart ruler is sometimes not the ascendant ruler but I disagree. So the chart ruler is designated by your rising sign and the planet that rules it. The filter for the whole chart and uniquely yours as designated by your time of birth. The aspects to that chart ruler planet will be the main focus for your life.
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I've also been wondering about what the chart ruler really is the last few days and now this thread has come up. I've been doing a bit of googling and there is a wide variety of ideas. Sometimes I think the internet is a misinformation station.

If you have Aquarius rising then Uranus aspects are very important.
You can have planets that are heavily aspected and are important but still not the chart ruler.

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Anyway, another interesting thing that I read somewhere on the net, is that the chart ruler can also be the planet that has the most aspects by looking at the number of lines connected with that planet in the natal chart. I'm sure this may not be the case for everyone but in my case the two planets with the most aspects (5 lines) are Uranus (my Aquarius Asc) and Neptune (my Pisces sun). I find this quite interesting and baffling. My mum and husband's chart isn't quite as clearcut as mine. I suppose there is always going to be a variety of approaches to this. It's confusing.
If you have Aquarius rising then Uranus aspects are very important as it is your chart ruler. You can have other planets heavily aspected but they are not the chart ruler....... The net is full of misinformation and the best thing you can do is learn at least the basics of astrology through a reputable site that offers them free. You can then make your own judgements.

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So, is the 'chart ruler' the almuten or the ruler of the ascendant? I have noticed that the ascendant ruler colors the rest of the chart. If Venus is the ascendant ruler, they see beauty in everything. If the ascendant ruler is Saturn, then they have a pessimistic view on life. I have Jupiter on the ascendant, so I have an expansive view on everything (There is always more than whats really there)

I have always considered the chart ruler to be the ascendant ruler because of the effect on how they view life.
THe reason that things are seen in the Jupiteranian way is because Sagittarius is rising. Quite simple....Depending on the aspects to that Jupiter.... This principle applies to everyone regardless of what other planets are heavily aspected or whatever...
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THe reason that things are seen in the Jupiteranian way is because Sagittarius is rising. Quite simple....Depending on the aspects to that Jupiter.... This principle applies to everyone regardless of what other planets are heavily aspected or whatever...
I see the chart ruler as a color for the rest of the chart. Everything else is Jupitarian in nature, no matter where it is. The rising sign is one of the first things I look at in a chart, for sakes of the chart ruler.
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I keep reading different things and I'm getting confused. Is the natal chart ruler the ruler of the sun sign, the ruler of the rising sign or the ruler of the sign with the most planets?
The natal chart ruler is the planet that rules the ascendant. Its aspects give much of the personality's life direction, persona and appearance.

Planets in the 1st house however, are very strong and can eclipse the mere chart ruler.
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So, is the 'chart ruler' the almuten or the ruler of the ascendant? I have noticed that the ascendant ruler colors the rest of the chart. If Venus is the ascendant ruler, they see beauty in everything. If the ascendant ruler is Saturn, then they have a pessimistic view on life. I have Jupiter on the ascendant, so I have an expansive view on everything (There is always more than whats really there)

I have always considered the chart ruler to be the ascendant ruler because of the effect on how they view life.
This can be true in a general way. Sagittarius rising tends to be taller, bigger, louder and more optimistic than say Capricorn rising for instance.
Venus as the ascendant ruler often makes for a most attractive person, pleasant in manner and peaceable.
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