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Unread 06-20-2013, 12:20 AM
Pisces Adonis Pisces Adonis is offline
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Traits of your chart that don't match you but once did altered by life experiences

So far my natal chart has been scarily accurate. Almost every placement has been spot-on to my personality as it is today (esp. my Scorpio and Aquarius placements).

However most of the Pisces placements (esp. the Sun) DO NOT match my current personality, Only Venus in Pisces,the Piscean tendency to be addicted to the Fantasy genre, my love for gaming, and my obsessive fanboyism into my favorite series (namely The Lord of the Rings and Saint Seiya) are the only truly Piscean traits in my personality.

There was a time when I had very strong Pisces traits in my younger years.The most obvious ones were both extreme idealism and living in a fantasy world. My fantasy world goes hand-in-hand with my ******** naive Piscean idealism.

I truly was an dreamer. I dabbled in numerous ideologies so I'll just use the one I was most invested in:Patriotism and love for the Military. I'm not lying when I state (at least in my mind) I was willing to sacrifice my life for America without a single thought. As in I really thought if I was taken into a torture chamber I would endure all the pains without uttering a single word that would lead me to betray my country. I wanted to become a Soldier more than anything and I hated myself when I learned I cannot join the Military because of certain problems.

I worshiped the US Military and soldiers in general as heroes who are the embodiment of virtues and all thats good in mankind and I admitted should the US government call for aid I would have given up my entire savings account to donate money to help the United States military in times of war.

I was in such a fantasy world in my teen and adult years I hated the general populace because they worshiped celebrities such as actors, singers, and athletes and so forte while they ignored the soldiers who were fighting and dying for our country. I honestly wanted the US government to pass lows lowering celebrities pay and instead giving the millions they earn to the "brave Soldiers" (Sarcasm intended) who are earning low wages to fight for our country. My fantasy world was that the US Military was literally my whole world and in my mind at the time it was better to be a grunt than to be a filthy rich billionaire.

Yes the Military and my country meant that much to me. I would have been happy as **** to live in a culture where sacrifice to the country meant everything and Soldiers were worshiped. That the Military was as sacred as the Bible and 100% PERFECT.

My ideology and escapism was to the point my family was suffering as a result. bear you I never developed Naziesque beliefs but my patriotism was less extreme scale as Ashley Wilkes in which my loved ones were suffering as a consequence. I don't want to talk about it because it was that bad so I'll leave it to that.

After learning the realities of U.S. such as how its inferior to other countries in many way and especially of the real nature of the Military-namely all the corruption within it, the majority of military personnel only joining and remaining in the military because they couldn't jobs in the civilian world or because they are criminal thugs with records and the army is the only place they can hope to gain a respectable lifestyle and reform, the multiple scandals and vile acts many soldiers commit in their personal lives, my idealism was completely shattered and I already left that goddamn fantasy world I was living. It really broke my heart especially to learn a shocking number battle-hardened vets committing war crimes such as gang rape of children in Iraq and so forth.

After learning the truth about how flawed the Untied States is and how corrupt of an institution the Military is, I lost my Piscean traits. This was especially true in 2012 where I learned more and more about the real nature of the military and the multiple atrocities the US government has committed.

I've quickly became more and more Scorpionic as I lost the idealism I've held onto for years since High School. I've became more and more pessimistic and more ruggedly individualist as I realized just how dark and grim the world is. With no role models to hold onto, I've realized the Scorpio's need to learn how to fend for oneself. Learning just how crooked of an institute the Military can be, I've become incredibly skeptical and paranoid of people and institutions in general as Scorpios tend to be after being feed lies about how noble the military is for years. I've grown rather spiteful of the Military and while I see the necessity of patriotism, I no longer am willing to throw away my life for my country.

I also realized all the damage I've done to my family because of my idealism and have become an extreme cynic of human nature and ideologies, something unPiscean.

I never hope to become as ******** naive as I was in my teen and early adult years and I vowed to never ever escape into a Fantasy world that Pisces are infamous for nor do I dare ever vest myself into an ideology that Pisces are often known for.

So this is life experience altering what my natal chart states (which really does emphasize Pisces as a strong influence in my personality). With the exception of Pisces Venus (because I really am a ROMANTIC when it comes to love for a woman lol) as I stated earlier I am hardly Piscean in nature today.

This is all because of my life experiences.

To put an even more recent example I've been becoming even more and more Capricorn in nature.

A lot of bitter life events happened very recently (as in for the last week or two) that permanently impacted my personality. I stated the Aquarius placements matched me spot on? Well for the last few weeks those placements' statements match me even less and less.

And if anything my Scorpio placements become even more and more spot-on as my Capricorn side takes over.

And FYI Capricorn is my third dominant sign. At first I thought Capricorn does not suit me at all because my personality is anything but Capricornish and I only have two Capricorn planets along with North Node being in Capricorn.

But as my personality changes from recent life events when i read my chart and the percentages from the Simple Chart Delineation, I am absolutely shocked of how much the Capricorn statements and the percentages match me spot on for my current nature after being changed by life events.

I become even less Piscean and even now a lot of my Aquari traits are being lost and transferred into Capricorn.

So I see a lot of of traits in my chart that don't match me ******* at all but I am surprised looking back in my life how I matched so many of them in my younger years (especially the Pisces placements).

So I realized the chart isn't set in stone like many diehard Astrology fanatics state (and unfortunately I also fell into this when I was very Aquarius) and life experiences truly alter your nature very much (more so than the Astrology chart).

I am curious have any of you experienced the same thing I did?Not matching parts of your charts but realizing you were spot-on to that placement when you were younger?

FYI I am Pisces with Leo Moon and Scorpio Ascendant and I am a Scorpio-Aquarius Dominant. Capricorn is my third Dominant Sign.

My whole chart if anyone is interested in reading it.

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Unread 06-20-2013, 01:11 AM
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Re: Traits of your chart that don't match you but once did altered by life experience

For a person born on the banks of the Pasig scarce 21 years ago, you sure do know a lot about life and astrology. It must be your precocious Moon-Mars opposition. Thank goodness you waited until the Ides had passed.

Take note of the world around you. A water buffalo is born a water buffalo and dies a water buffalo. Leopards do not change their spots. The essential nature of a thing does not change

You are born to a horoscope which remains the same throughout your life.

Those life circumstances that you believe change you so much are shown in the houses of the chart and the aspects of the planets.

It is not that the horoscope changes. It is that your perception/evaluation of yourself is not true-to-life.

Give it some time my friend, and when you have another 50 years under your belt (and perhaps another 50 pounds) you wiill find that your horoscope is true.

I was once a 7-year old boy on a bicycle with no front teeth. Now I'm a 70 year old man in a wheelchair with no teeth at all. But I haven't changed; I'm still me.

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Unread 06-20-2013, 06:59 AM
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Re: Traits of your chart that don't match you but once did altered by life experience

A lot of what you describe is not directly related to Pisces. However, yes, charts are fluid and subject to transits, progressions, and external events. You must know that all Pisceans are not idealistic space cadets. It is a sign of great artists and visionaries. The cynical nature you have described relates to your Scorpio Ascendant and having Pluto in 1st would be even more indicative of someone who has experienced profound internal transformation. Mars and Saturn in Aquarius and Venus in Pisces 4th denotes someone with altruistic tendencies who might certainly be motivated by domestic and humane affairs.

There are a lot of things that shape how we experience our charts. I'm a Taurus born with Sun opposite Pluto. I felt very Taurean earlier in my life in the sense that I was uncomfortable with change and death. Yet, after experiencing quite a few monumental and external events connected to change and trauma and my progressed Sun moving into Gemini, I feel unrecognizable from my younger self, but also empowered and flexible because I feel that I have worked to embrace this component of my chart.

Now I'm a person who embraces change (planning on moving next year!) and sees death as a natural part of life and a transference of energy from one state to the next. It's part of our existence, we are always evolving and our charts are not meant to be viewed statically.
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Re: Traits of your chart that don't match you but once did altered by life experience

The acorn and the majestic oak are one and the same creature. The old mossy oak lies within the acorn. It can be neither more nor less than what is in the acorn.

A person born with the Sun in Taurus does not become a Gemini on progression of the Sun into that sign. They will always be what is portrayed by Sun in Taurus.

The final outcome of everything in the universe is dependent on its beginning. The radix, or natal chart, portrays that beginning and its potential. It is axiomatic in astrology that "nothing can come to pass that is not promised in the birth chart." Progressions, directions, transits (etc) are all referent to the natal chart. They do not act independently and create castles out of thin air.

Do life events change us? Of course they do. But they do not change our essence. That remains the same throughout our life cycle. And the very events which change us are foretold in the birth chart; those very changes are part of our natural development. Even so, the changes are relatively superficial. They are experiential superstructure built on the foundaton of essential character.

I feel unrecognizable from my younger self, but also empowered and flexible because I feel that I have worked to embrace this component of my chart.

Now I'm a person who embraces change (planning on moving next year!) and sees death as a natural part of life and a transference of energy from one state to the next.


I wonder what the difference between learning life's lessons and transformation of essential character might be, and if they could be confused.

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Unread 06-20-2013, 11:46 AM
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Re: Traits of your chart that don't match you but once did altered by life experience

I think that there are parts of a person's chart that the native is either unaware, uninterested, and/or scared to explore and therefore, don't "identify" with that energy readily. Often times, it takes life events to trigger a certain part of the person's chart to draw more attention for closer examination. But just because you don't identify with a part of your chart, it doesn't mean that it's inaccurate or that it doesn't match you, it could very well "match" you better as you mature.

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