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What is my birth chart ruler? I'm lost

Hello all.

I know I have many questions and posts asking about different things but I had difficulties knowing my birthchart ruler

is it pluto as it conjuct my ascendant?

or is it jupiter because it aspects many planets?
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Re: What is my birth chart ruler? I'm lost

The ruler of ascendant is Mars. Pluto also rules Scorpio. Others say ruler is most dignified in the chart.
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Hello all.

I know I have many questions
and posts asking about different things

but I had difficulties knowing my birthchart ruler

is it pluto as it conjuct my ascendant?

or is it jupiter because it aspects many planets?

Different astrologers have different opinions and therefore use different methodology to find answers

One methodology to find the Ruler of the chart discussed in detail and with examples
is on this thread
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=381593#post381593

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Almutem Figuris

is an old doctrine

where one planet
according to certain calculations applied,
receives the honors to be the Ruler or Lord of the Char
t.



The word Almutes is an Arabian word which means 'Winner'.
Because, the planet is the Winner of all the 'life giving' places.
Or the places which are most important in the natal figure.


The method which we'll use here I call Ezra/Zoller method.
Arabian Astrologer Ibn Ezra (1089 — 1164)
was the first (as far as we at this moment are aware)
to explicitely wrote about calculating the Almutem Figuris.........


Zoller about the Almutem Figuris says that it

is equally as powerful as all the other planets taken together."



The method of calculation

1. Find the Essential Dignities (the 5 dignities, apply 3 points to all 3 triplicity rulers), in the Degree of the:
- Sun
- Moon
- Ascendant
- Part of Fortune
- Syzygy (the prenatal lunation, the one that came last, i.e. after which the birth follows - New or Full Moon).

2. Add 7 points for the Day ruler and 6 points to the Hour ruler.

3. Add accidental dignities scores.

For the planet in 1st house you add 12 points.
10th house = 11 points
7th house = 10
4th house = 9
11th = 8
5th = 7
2nd = 6
9th = 5
8th = 4
3rd = 3
12th = 2
6th = 1

The planet which has most points in the aforesaid places is the Almutem Figuris of the chart!

Don't forget to apply the 5 degrees ruler for the planet near the cusp of the houses.
For example, if Saturn is at 15 Scorpio in 4th,
but the 5th house cusp is at 19 Scorpio, you will calculate that Saturn already in the 5th,
and you will give him 7 points instead of 9 as he would took if he was in 4th house.
This can make big difference........

If you calculate it you will be familiar with the chart more deeply
if you do this calculations with your own hand as the older astrologers did.


Zoller gives short discriptions for every planet being Almutem Figuris:

Sun:
"If the Almuten figuris is the Sun, the native will want to lead, express his creative power and be recognized."

Moon:
"If the Moon, s/he will want to care for, be cared for, eat and make love, dream"

Mercury:
"If it is Mercury, s/he will be diligent in the sciences, business and communications"

Venus:
"Id it is Venus s/he will be a lover of beauty, of music, of men and women etc."

Mars:
"If it is Mars, s/he will fight in order to dominate"

Jupiter:
"If it is Jupiter, s/he will philosophize and teach"

Saturn:
"If it is Saturn he will retire from society, investigate hidden things and suffer adversity.""
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Re: What is my birth chart ruler? I'm lost

Hi,

Your chart ruler is Pluto, and it's conjunct ascendant.
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Re: What is my birth chart ruler? I'm lost

As JupiterASC said there will be some conflicting views on this.

I would say Saturn, for a few reasons. Saturn is in dignity on a (whole sign) angle. Planets on angles are important and in this case it should show through majorly in your personality. I would guess inclining more to isolation, some uneasiness around people and thus preferring nature where possible. An underlying fear around the safety of life in general and concerned about lacking material security etc.

Further, the Lords of planets are important. Venus is in the sign of Jupiter. Jupiter is her "boss." Going further, the boss of Jupiter and the Moon is Mercury. And finally, the boss of Mercury and all the other traditional planets is Saturn. Saturn is in his own sign - he has no boss. He is his own boss and the head honcho of all the other planets ultimately through this hierarchy. You can imagine all the other planets trying to put forward some project, and he can just outright veto it.
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Your chart ruler is Mars. Makes you active and interrogative.
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Thanks a lot but I'm lost again I don't know which is right
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Thanks a lot but I'm lost again

I don't know which is right

that's because to study and learn how to delineate a natal chart takes time
also each individual astrologer has their own opinion
so it is important to learn and decide for oneself
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Thanks a lot but I'm lost again I don't know which is right
Pluto as modern ruler and Mars as a co-ruler. Mars is a personal planet and that's why it's more relevant than any generational planet imo.
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Pluto as modern ruler and Mars as a co-ruler.
Mars is a personal planet and that's why it's more relevant than any generational planet imo.
There is no consensus amongst Modern astrologers regarding dwarf planet pluto
in fact traditionally pluto is not even an astrological planet
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=80531

no modern astrologer has produced a dignities table that includes dwarf planet pluto
whereas Mars is a clear influence
however obviously
all astrologers are entitled to their own opinion on this matter



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There is no consensus amongst Modern astrologers regarding dwarf planet pluto
in fact traditionally pluto is not even an astrological planet
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=80531

no modern astrologer has produced a dignities table that includes dwarf planet pluto
whereas Mars is a clear influence
however obviously
all astrologers are entitled to their own opinion on this matter





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