fertility

turkish girl

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View attachment 53667Hello everyone,
I know reading full chart is a very complicated thing and we must calculate everything.But I have a chronic gyno disease and just wonder about my future children.My moon is in 12th house.And it has an opposite aspect to saturn.Infact they are in t square with pluto.Pluto i in 27 scorpio and it is the apex of that t square.Saturn conjucnt decendant and pluto conjunct IC.
5th house is capricorn.And its ruler also saturn in that t square.I have read capricorn is a fertile sign but its ruler has some hard aspects on my chart.
And there is one issue.If i take my 8th house as pisces that means its ruler i 3th house.But if i take it aries then 8th house ruler will be in 5th house.so that will not be a good aspect.
In 5th house there is mars,uranus and neptun.Actually they have not bad aspects to other planets.But they are not also beneficial planets for fertility.
The real problem is the moon i guess.
How must i deal with that issuse.Any suggestion for me?
Thanks.
 

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urano

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Hello,
You seem to have a realistic overview of your natal chart from the point of view of fertility.
I see two things to recommend to you:
-First it's to use the transits of the benefics Jupiter and Venus, when these planets are in good enough aspects with your natal chart to allow something.
-Then it's the medical assistance you could benefit. You have many planets in your 6th house so some help on this side seems a possibility of course.
Do you have some personal connections in the medical field, directly or indirectly, or might this professional sector interest you? Out of pure curiosity :smile:
 

turkish girl

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Hello,
You seem to have a realistic overview of your natal chart from the point of view of fertility.
I see two things to recommend to you:
-First it's to use the transits of the benefics Jupiter and Venus, when these planets are in good enough aspects with your natal chart to allow something.
-Then it's the medical assistance you could benefit. You have many planets in your 6th house so some help on this side seems a possibility of course.
Do you have some personal connections in the medical field, directly or indirectly, or might this professional sector interest you? Out of pure curiosity :smile:

Lol its ok i can share that.I m a medicine student will be doc:)
 

turkish girl

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Thanks for sharing this Turkish Girl, we must recognize that indications of this orientation no lack in your chart! ;)

Hello Urano,

I have seen your post in my mail box but i can not see it here.I read your comments.Yes homeopathy can be used but i am a bit afraid of these kinda things.May be because of my teacher at college,i am a bit aganist them.

Infact i'm using some teas for that which my mom suggested me.But a happy new a few days ago i went to my teacher for examination and he said i can get pregnant but if everything is ok.For that i have to use a medicine in a long run,Just that makes me unhappy because no one does not know how much i use it(maybe during my whole life).

I also could not see the post which you have said written by a person who is experienced.

But i dont think my opininon change and my real life also shows me how weak moon i have.
 

urano

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Hello,
The reason is because I made a mistake yesterday: instead of reply to JessieBaby’s horary question in her thread I first replied in yours because I read it again, so I deleted it to post it in the right thread, I am sorry Turkish Girl. http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=617124#post617124

As you are a medical student (and a woman) I am sure your are much better informed than me on this matter.

I mentioned Dr Jonas’ work. I heard about his astrologic work about fertility (I think he recommends specific times according to the moon’s position in the lunar month but I don’t know more than that from my part. I remember JUPITERASC mentioned him recently and maybe there is a specific tread on the forum but I don't know.
 
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turkish girl

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Hello,
The reason is because I made a mistake yesterday: instead of reply to JessieBaby’s horary question in her thread I first replied in yours because I read it again, so I deleted it to post it in the right thread, I am sorry Turkish Girl. http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=617124#post617124

As you are a medical student (and a woman) I am sure your are much better informed than me on this matter.

I mentioned Dr Jonas’ work. I heard about his astrologic work about fertility (I think he recommends specific times according to the moon’s position in the lunar month but I don’t know more than that from my part. I remember JUPITERASC mentioned him recently and maybe there is a specific tread on the forum but I don't know.

It's ok.I will look for Dr.Jonas's work at the forum.Thanks
 

urano

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Out of curiosity I took the time to look for in a book I have here about what Dr Jonas said more specifically on this matter.

According to this Czech doctor’s works, woman is fertile when it exists in the sky the same angular distance between the Sun and Moon as in her natal chart. It is necessary to take into account a margin of 2 days before and after the moment when this angle between the Sun and Moon reforms in the sky.
He said that it is a useful indication for couples who have some difficulties to conceive a child.
I suppose he had a lot of convincing statistics to support his theory, I don’t really know…
 

JUPITERASC

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View attachment 53667

Hello everyone,
I know reading full chart is a very complicated thing and we must calculate everything.But I have a chronic gyno disease and just wonder about my future children.My moon is in 12th house.And it has an opposite aspect to saturn.Infact they are in t square with pluto.Pluto i in 27 scorpio and it is the apex of that t square.Saturn conjucnt decendant and pluto conjunct IC.
5th house is capricorn.And its ruler also saturn in that t square.I have read capricorn is a fertile sign but its ruler has some hard aspects on my chart.
And there is one issue.If i take my 8th house as pisces that means its ruler i 3th house.But if i take it aries then 8th house ruler will be in 5th house.so that will not be a good aspect.
In 5th house there is mars,uranus and neptun.Actually they have not bad aspects to other planets.But they are not also beneficial planets for fertility.
The real problem is the moon i guess.
How must i deal with that issuse.Any suggestion for me?
Thanks.
hello turkish girl :smile:
there's a comprehensive on THE ASTROLOGY OF FERTILITY AND CHILDREN thread
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28962
and it is very detailed, includes two example charts - here's the OP
I thought i'd post a thread on this, as queries on this arise time and time again. WHOLE SIGN HOUSES and TRADITIONAL RULERS are used.
The most important considerations for fertility and children are:

1. The Lot of Children. If the Sun is above the horizon (above the Asc/Desc axis), then calculate the lot by taking the distance from Jupiter to Saturn (counterclockiwise, as always) and add this distance to the Ascendant. If the Sun is below the horizon, take the distance from Saturn to Jupiter and add this to the Ascendant. The sign the Lot falls in is now a significator for fertility. It is better to have the Lot and the ruler of the lot in effective houses (1, 4, 5, 7, 10, 11 or same sign as MC or IC). But as the Lot becomes its own first house for the matter at hand (fertility), this should also be considered (e.g if the Lot is in Capricorn/8th and Venus is in Capricorn, this is favourable because Venus rules the 10th and 5th houses from the Lot and is an essential benefic).
The sign of the lot is very important. The signs in order of fertility are: Pisces, Cancer, Scorpio, Sagittarius, Taurus, Capricorn, Libra, Aquarius, Aries, Gemini, Leo, Virgo. There is general agreement that Pisces and Cancer are highly fertile and the Leo, Virgo and Gemini are signs of low fertilty (described as barren by some astrologers). I ranked the others according to my own experience.
The ancient astrologer Dorotheus had the following to say about the Lot of Children: Wherever it happens to be, look at its lord. Then count from the lot to its lord how many signs there are, or from its lord which follows it; whatever there is of signs between these two, that is the number of children. If you find a malefic between these two, it indicates the death of the children. If the Sun or Moon is in quartile or opposition with the lot, then the Sun will increase the male children, the Moon the female. If you find that there is no [planet] in the lot or aspecting it, then the first child will not be benefited by it because he will be miscarried or will die horribly. If you find the lot in a cardine or a good place, then it is a good indication in the matter of children. If it happens to be in the 6th or 12th place, then neither a male nor a female will be born to him, and he will suffer distress and grief from this; but if he should have children, they will not stay with him, so that they be apart from him in the cities. If the lot happens to be where none of the planets is in quartile or opposition to it, then these [natives] have a need for children. But if there are planets in opposition or quartile to the lot, then it indicates he will have a multitude of children. If the lot happens to be in a sign of few children, then it indicates a small number of children. If Saturn is with it, then it indicates he will be sterile or will have few children or will be grieved with an intense grief on account of children." (Carmen Astrologicum, II.10)

2. The 5th house. Planets in 5th? Good: Jupiter, Venus, Moon, Mercury. Not so good: Saturn, Mars, Sun. Is the 5th a fertile sign? Is the ruler in an effective house (see point 1 above)? How about tight aspects the ruler may be making? (e.g conjunct Jupiter - great!).

3. When will a child be conceived or born? When the Lot of Children is activated in a solar return by Jupiter or Venus. By "activated" I mean a very tight aspect, preferably a conjunction, square or opposition. Although ancient texts only mention Jupiter and Venus, I have also observed the other planets and the nodes to "activate" the Lot if the native is very fertile. If the natal indications are of very high fertility, then it may not show up in every solar return preceding birth or conception. I have found that the Lot tends to be activated for conception more so than the actual birth (Where conception and birth occured under different solar returns). Some Astrologers also observe that children are more likely when the profected Ascendant reaches the sign of Jupiter or Venus. (for those unfamiliar with 'profections', say someone was born with Aries rising. After their 1st birthday, the profected Ascendant is Taurus, at age 2 its Gemini and so on. The planet ruling the profected Ascendant is very important in the solar return, so in the above example we would look at the condition of Mercury in the solar return for the native's 3rd year). A more general indicator of timing is given by Ali Al-Khayyat Abu Ali Al-Khayyat in 'The Judgement of nativities' as translated by James Holden: For the time of children, look at the planet which is most dignified in the significations of children. If it is oriental (lesser degrees than the Sun e.g Sun in Capricorn, Venus in Sagittarius) it signifies children in youth; (I take this to mean before age 30) if it is occidental, in his old age; if it is in the MC or 11th sign, it promises children in youth; if in the 3rd, 9th or 4th, in mid-life. Also if the part of children (same as 'lot of children') is in the ASC, it signifies children in youth. If the part of children is in the 7th or 4th house, it will give children at the end of life.

4. Other Lots pertaining to children
Lot of Sons: Number of degrees from Moon to Jupiter added to Asc.
Lot of Daughters: Number of degrees from Moon to Venus added to Asc.
Lot of time of children: Number of degrees from Mars to Jupiter added to Asc.

None of these lots have their formula reversed for when the Sun is below the Asc/Desc axis. The first two function like the Lot of Children and can be activated in a solar return. In some instances, the Lot of Sons/Daughters may be activated instead of the Lot of Children when the native conceives or gives birth to the relevant sex.
The Lot of Time of children is different and is not activated by solar returns. Instead, aphorisms state that when Jupiter transits the degree of this Lot, sexual intercourse is more likely to lead to conception.

Warning: As this is a sensitive topic, the above information should be used cautiously and not in an indiscreet or casual manner. In the era of modern medicine and advances in fertility treatments, there is hope for almost any woman looking to have a child. It goes without saying that those who find it difficult to conceive should consult a gynecologist.

Examples:

1. Ethel Kennedy, wife of Robert F. Kennedy had 11 children. Her natal chart is shown here: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Kennedy,_Ethel (Although the natal chart is shown with Placidus houses, I will be doing the delineation with Whole sign houses).

Natal delineation of many children: The Lot of Children is found in the 5th house at 1 Cancer. The Lot is in the natural house of children in a highly fertile (prolific) sign and the ruler is the Moon in Sagittarius/10th - this indicates many children.
Timing: First child Kathleen was born on 4/July/1951 and therefore was conceived under the 1950 solar return. In the 1950 solar return, Jupiter (29.16 Aquarius) aspects (by trine) the Lot within 2 degrees.
Second child Joseph Patrick was born on 24/September/1952. The 1951 return (birth of Kathleen and conception of Joseph Patrick) shows Mars at 1 Taurus sextile the lot within a degree. The 1952 return shows Venus at 2 Aries square the lot.
Third child Robert Francis jr was born on 17/January/1954, thus conceived under the 1953 solar return. The Lot does not appear to be activated in this return.
Fourth child David Anthony was born on 15/6/1955. The 1954 solar return shows Mars at 29.30 Sagittarius opposite the Lot within 2 degrees. The 1955 return shows the South Node at 0.08 Cancer conjunct the Lot, which is also when Mary Courtney (9/September/1956), her fifth child was conceived. I'll stop at this point, interested readers can check the remaining solar returns for the rest of the children.

2. Client A is a 34 year old male whose wife gave birth in July 2010. The child was conceived under the 2009 solar return.
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Natal potential: The Lot of children falls at 25 Libra in the 10th house. The ruler is Venus/Taurus/5th with Jupiter and the Sun. This is positive for children. South Node in Taurus/5th conjunct Jupiter somewhat decreases fertility (34 is relatively late to start). The natal potential for children exists.

2009 Solar return:
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Notice that Jupiter (25.45 Aquarius) tightly aspects the Lot by trine aspect.

I will not have the time nor do I intend to answer every query that may arise from this post so I strongly advise readers to make full use of the of the thousands of natal charts available freely on Astrodatabank (http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Main_Page) to do their own research on this matter.
Members may also use this thread to post their own experiences (e.g maybe the lot of children was or was not aspected in a solar return when your child was conceived or born).
 

turkish girl

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Out of curiosity I took the time to look for in a book I have here about what Dr Jonas said more specifically on this matter.

According to this Czech doctor’s works, woman is fertile when it exists in the sky the same angular distance between the Sun and Moon as in her natal chart. It is necessary to take into account a margin of 2 days before and after the moment when this angle between the Sun and Moon reforms in the sky.
He said that it is a useful indication for couples who have some difficulties to conceive a child.
I suppose he had a lot of convincing statistics to support his theory, I don’t really know…

Thanks urano:)
 
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