@Sundance Kid
Post #45 was a great Post. All that you said was humbley and respectfully stated. Mercury is retrograde and that coupled with negative ego and personal feelings, is probably what is getting you misunderstood by some. However, I understand you and appreciate your honesty.
@EJ53 I apreaciate your position in post #47
Now, I wish to try my best to make some things very clear as I am sure it most likely will not work. I keep hearing people saying that the entire natal chart of an individual should be taken into consideration when researching so called indicators. In the thread I started "The chart of a gay man" The full chart of that individual was taken into consideration. His child hood was talked about as well as his mother, siblings and so forth. However, people who wish to take things personally and wish to muscle other Astrologers into believing that looking at a gay mans chart for gay indicators is a waste of time, they wish to harass Astrologers for doing such. I don't think those individuals will ever be objective about looking at a chart to study such a case because they are to busy feeling subjective.
I do not believe that anyone is born gay, as I have said many times in this thread and in other threads...
I believe that gay, homosexual and bisexual is a subconscious choice based on the Natal chart indicating possible leanings towards, coupled with enviromental issues. I do agree that two people can be born at the same time in the same place and one can be gay, yet the other is not gay. This woud be due to that fact that they each have different enviromental backgrounds.
I have twin cousins for example, one is a boy and the other is a girl. The now woman is gay and the man is not gay. However the girl didn't start practicing the gay lifestyle until after several dissapointments from men. I know for a fact she will never date a guy again because she is still with the woman she came out with over 7 years ago and she is very much so in love with the woman. I wrote about this somewhere in this site but I will write it again, my cousin felt neglected and rejected by her mother who showed more attention towards her older sister. Funny thing now is, the woman who my cousin has been with for the past 7 years, has the same birthday as my cousins mother, that is not a coincidene to me. Although my cousins are twins, they are biological twins, not identical nor same sex. The female twin must have experienced her Moon sign differently from her male twin.
Slightly off topic but still pertaining to:
I used to be a preschool teacher working at a non profit agency. I had access to birth certificates and I observed the children for a while, then I would go a do their charts. I did the charts of twins, one a boy and the other a girl. I will post those charts for you all to see at a later date. In the charts, the children have some slight differences which I will wait to show you all. However, I will say this one part now, the girl is agressive passive and the boy is passive agressive. This is also why I said somewhere, maybe in this thread, that some leaning gay indicators are general but some are different in comparison to boy and girl.