Enūma Anu Enlil

[Bunraku]

Is a series of tablets detailing observations of the effects of astral phenomena on the atmosphere. The tablets are grouped by themes. For example, in tablet 44 it lists what the effects of thunders with a particular sounds or appearances on the country/state.

Some excerpts:
Tablet 44
Group I

If Adad thunders like a lion the king will flee

If Adad thunders like a wolf, the kings son will be killed

If aded rumbles like the lowering of a bull, the King’s possessions will be lost

If Adad thunders, and lightning which is like fire flashes towards the south, there will be sick people in Akkad, the children will die at the behest of Lamastu.

If Adad thunders, and sankullu lightning, which is like fire, flashes towards the south, there will be sick people in Akkad, and at the behest of Šamaš men and young women will not survive.

OKAY MY ASTROLOGYWEEKLY TEAM. Let us try to apply this in our current, modern society. Let us pretend to live in Babylon, but not too long, because my weather is more pleasant than this.

Citation because this is an obscure book"
Gehlken, Erlend. Weather Omens of Enama Anu Enlil : Thunderstorms, Wind and Rain (Tablets 44-49), BRILL, 2012

[Bunraku]

When was the last time it thundered?
Did it thunder several times?
What animal did it resemble like the most?
Was it in the clouds, outside of the clouds, or could you not see it?

[ElenaJ]

Hasn't thundered here for quite a while now.
Sunday the forecast is for rain, I'll pay attention if it thunders.

[Bunraku]

Originally Posted by ElenaJ

Hasn't thundered here for quite a while now.
Sunday the forecast is for rain, I'll pay attention if it thunders.

Thank you.

I’ll interpret “King” as the current president or leaders. We shall see what happens

[Thirdteenth]

Originally Posted by Bunraku

Is a series of tablets detailing observations of the effects of astral phenomena on the atmosphere. The tablets are grouped by themes. For example, in tablet 44 it lists what the effects of thunders with a particular sounds or appearances on the country/state.

Some excerpts:
Tablet 44
Group I

If Adad thunders like a lion the king will flee

If Adad thunders like a wolf, the kings son will be killed

If aded rumbles like the lowering of a bull, the King’s possessions will be lost

If Adad thunders, and lightning which is like fire flashes towards the south, there will be sick people in Akkad, the children will die at the behest of Lamastu.

If Adad thunders, and sankullu lightning, which is like fire, flashes towards the south, there will be sick people in Akkad, and at the behest of Šamaš men and young women will not survive.

OKAY MY ASTROLOGYWEEKLY TEAM. Let us try to apply this in our current, modern society. Let us pretend to live in Babylon, but not too long, because my weather is more pleasant than this.

Citation because this is an obscure book"
Gehlken, Erlend. Weather Omens of Enama Anu Enlil : Thunderstorms, Wind and Rain (Tablets 44-49), BRILL, 2012

If we were to see it through the perspective of a Babylonian citizen living in Ancient Babylonian then that deity associated with thunder would need to be considered too. In this case, it will be the deity Adad who is said to be the giver of rain, storms, floods and thunder according to the Babylonians. When thunder would come then it would a very important to these people to maintain notice of these cause based on that excerpt you had sent then it would signify for a very big change to come. That change pertaining to the King and the King often more than not represents a form of rulership, higher authority and power. The King in these Ancient societies were often said to have some sort of divine contact to the Gods, so if one of these Gods are destroying the King then that could mean a big change could come to those in power.

[Thirdteenth]

I would like to add that Kings can also represent an empire, depending on how powerful that King is to the empire itself or how much they’ve accumulated for that empire. These are just my own thoughts though

[Bunraku]

Is Adad same as Ba’al?
Rain and storms denote fertility.

Ba’al is also an honorific/title.
Beelzebub seems to carry on the honorific; Beel-zebub is probably a corruption of Ba’al Zebub or Zebul which means lord of the heavenly dwellings (aka the sky back in the day).

These are probably syncretized to Zeus due to the transmission of religion in ancient cultures.

[Bunraku]

Originally Posted by Thirdteenth

n Ancient Babylonian then that deity associated with thunder would need to be considered too. In this case, it will be the deity Adad who is said to be the giver of rain, storms, floods

The Steele of Hammurabi shows the God Marduk giving him a set of laws for him to rule, thus glorifying him and Marduk as the supreme leaders of his empire.

[Bunraku]

May Ba’al bless you with fruitful endeavors, merriment, and joy

[ElenaJ]

"Rain and storms denote fertility. "

Of course relating this to astrology, this would probably be a moon/jupiter contact, which is also why they say it is a lucky bride who weds on a rainy day!

[Thirdteenth]

Yes! Ba’al would have been the Canaanite equivalent to the Babylonian deity Adad. However, Ba’al is a deity that fertile the land, his association to rain, lightening, storm and dew and that in turn would have him be in the category for a sky deity as well. Zeus, Ba’al and Adad, but known as Hadad (for his connection to Ba’al) would have a tie to each other in their association to the sky. I believe Ba’al would be the first incarnation of this sort of deity then Adad and Zeus followed afterwards into different adaptations (but similar basis) in different Ancient lands.

Zeus and Hades have a connection as well. There is a title that Hades has that’s called Zeus Khthonios, which means Zeus of the underworld. Another, Profundus Jupiter, and Rusor, “because all things return eventually to the earth” (kindly from Wikipedia). Now, there’s a point to all of this and why I bring him (Hades) up too. Zeus having control of the sky, rain comes down and gets absorbed by the earth (fertilized) and return onto the earth (death). That is a transformation, and a cycle taking place. If we were to tie Zeus, onto deities such as Ba’al and Adad then consider that excerpt once again then that signifies if a change were to come then something new will take its place.

[JUPITERASC]

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[ElenaJ]

It's raining and thundering here!
What should I be looking for??

[JUPITERASC]

Originally Posted by ElenaJ

It's raining and thundering here!
What should I be looking for??

Quote:
"....Aries is by nature watery, with thunder and hail.
From its first degree to the equinox, it is stormy, full of hail,
windy, destructive.
The middle degrees up to 15 degrees are mild and fruitful...."
Professor Mark Riley CSU FREE online pdf https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt...s%20entire.pdf


"...Aries is watery in nature, full of thunder, hail.
More particularly, the first parts up to the equipartite [place]
are full of thunderstorms, hail wind and destruction;
the middle parts up to the 15th degree are temperate..."
Schmidt includes this note:
"....Obviously here we are not dealing with a tropical zodiac
in which zero Aries is assigned to the vernal point...."
(Rob Hand follows with more extensive notes on that point.)
Robert Schmidt PROJECT HINDSIGHT http://www.projecthindsight.com/


But, Andrea Gehrz translation from the Ancient Greek is as follows:
"...In regards to the nature of the weather,
the constellation of Aries is watery.
It produces thunder and can at times produce granular like hail.
If we divide the constellation of Aries in half, then
the first half would indicate a more windy and thundery rain,
the kind that can be destructive and deadly.
The middle degree through the last fifteen degrees
are more temperate..."



Gehrz does not mention the equinox
a curious omission and a critical point in the translation.
HOWEVER
Schmidt and Riley leave no doubt
that at least in this part of the text,
a zodiac is indicated that doesn't begin at the spring equinox.



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[ElenaJ]

At the moment only mars is in Aries.

[ElenaJ]

"If aded rumbles like the lowering of a bull, the King’s possessions will be lost "

This sounds most like what is happening.

[JUPITERASC]

Originally Posted by ElenaJ

At the moment only mars is in Aries


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currently SIDEREAL MARS is retrograde PISCES
Sidereal location of Moon may be confirmed BY VISUAL observation
of local skies

there is a minimum difference of 20° up to a maximum of approximately 24°
between TROPICAL AND SIDEREAL MEASUREMENT


ANY planet at 0° OF any TROPICAL SIGN
is SIDEREALLY between approximately 6° - 10°
to a maximum 24° of the PREVIOUS SIGN
dependent on the ayanamsha


MOON travels each SIGN once a month aka "moonth"

IS NOT ALWAYS IN SAME SIGN BOTH TROPICALLY AND SIDEREALLY
because
although Astrologers
– whether Tropical or Sidereal
– are commenting on and making predictions
regarding THE IDENTICAL MOON in the skies

computer generated Tropical Chart differs by DEGREE OCCUPIED BY THE MOON
from Sidereal DEGREE OCCUPIED BY MOON

Sidereal location of Moon is easiily confirmed BY VISUAL observation of local skies



Quote:
Originally Posted by petosiris

1. The gods send signs to all nations, but they are not interpret the same for the different lands,
for one they signify hot weather, for another they signify cold weather,
and for third they signify temperate weather.

2. In the same way, the like-principles of rising times and daylight
become less discernible and causative in the equatorial zones.

3. Therefore another celestial influence is causative for nativities,
rather than the terrestrial effect of weather.
Otherwise, there would be no domicile, no exaltation
and no depression for the equatorial lands.

4. The rationale of the sidereal zodiac is compatible with this hypothesis, the rationale of the tropical zodiac is not.


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[ElenaJ]

Sorry, this becomes very confusing for me.

[JUPITERASC]

Originally Posted by ElenaJ

Sorry, this becomes very confusing for me


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we learn and understand by reading, re-reading, studying the information
and then also by practising

[Bunraku]

Elena, all JupiterASC is saying:

Mars is in Aries. But if you use the sidereal Zodiac (popular in Indian astrology), it’s actually in Pisces.

And then he quotes someone who just says that planets have different effects in different countries.


People are really wordy when it comes to astrology for some reason