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JUPITERASC

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The secret beliefs of the top level of religion is very different to the grass rootes, most are Coptic in origin, as new year is 11th September in our era, link below wrote by myself under the avatar of Astronomer62.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1250054/pg1
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1250054/pg2
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1250054/pg3
I am not surprised that you and your Faith are afraid, with your interpretation you should be very afraid.


  1. Christianity (2.1 billion)
  2. Islam (1.3 billion)
  3. Nonreligious (Secular/Agnostic/Atheist) (1.1 billion)
  4. Hinduism (900 million)
  5. Chinese traditional religion (394 million)
  6. Buddhism 376 million
  7. Primal-indigenous (300 million)
  8. African traditional and Diasporic (100 million)
  9. Sikhism (23 million)
  10. Juche (19 million)
  11. Spiritism (15 million)
  12. Judaism (14 million)
  13. Bahai (7 million)
  14. Jainism (4.2 million)
  15. Shinto (4 million)
  16. Cao Dai (4 million)
  17. Zoroastrianism (2.6 million)
  18. Tenrikyo (2 million)
  19. Neo-Paganism (1 million)
  20. Unitarian-Universalism (800,000)
As you can see from the above list, there is a lot of other religions, you claim to be Number 1 - Christian and also, you have said that you are Number 20. Unitarian.

The rest of us Numbers 2 - 19 and the unlisted 21 - ? I and they thank you for your soul searching concern for our damnation, but, we would all prefer our own version of theology.

I am sorry, that you feel so needy of making others conform to your beliefs. Maybe you should start with 2. and work your way through to 19.

Cosmos bless!:joyful:
Hi Opal,
You missed Hermeticism, that effected a lot of the other religions on your list, it effects a lot of religions at a top level, which is why i didn't reply to your question to if i thought "The Saviour" existed?
It only leaves a circle of debate that goes nowhere, but research in these area's that are not faith related can give us some idea.
So can astrology give us some answers to what is electional and what may be unconscious?.....perhaps!
I will continue this in another thread section soon, but for dates 25th December and 6th January are dubious regarding Egyptian religions trying to take charge of a new religion.
You have heard of "The Lost Symbol" by Dan Brown, being his other book, you can't square the circle, by Freemasonry, of constant thread sections by your debate, religious research by astrology and astronomy will be the answer!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lost_Symbol
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petosiris

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Documentary evidence besides the writings of the apostles exists in what the prophets said in advance about the Messiah.

Only secondary is the account of the disciples of the apostles such as Clement and Polycarp. Josephus indisputably wrote of the martyrdom of James the brother of the Lord shortly before the fall of Jerusalem. I don't consider the passage about Christ reliable in any reconstructed way.

Tacitus, Suetonius, Pliny and the Talmud mention facts about Jesus of Nazareth and his early disciples in a blasphemous or murderous way.
 

JUPITERASC

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Hi Opal,
It is an astrological forum, my problem is there are no Paran experts here, i'm the only one that post's paran charts on fixed stars and as a general member my picture space that i can use is nearly gone for charts.
Obviously it doesn't matter when members join, and Jup joined after me but has many more thread sections, a lot of which are social to forum writing's however he has written a lot regarding research and has indeed helped me in my own research!
This is a premier research astrology forum, research is done on many subjects, but parans are the oldest of all astrology, why am i on my own?
Not only that, parans are the same as astronomy, when projected fixed star measure is wildly inaccurate.
With Blood Line, there isn't enough information to get any clear information:-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Da_Vinci_Code


But by looking at dates with electional astrology with the "Lost Symbol" we can get some idea of belief systems, please read all Vatican related parans and Masonic, Security related parans regarding the pages below with pictures from page 52 to 58, it is a heated debate that covers the Vatican to masonic behaviour in the United States, my name and avatar on forum is Astronomer 62:-
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1253575/pg52
I may be on your side Opal, but i could hardly state it on thread, we don't need to be on a never ending circle regarding FAITH, we need evidence, sadly there are few paran experts here!
Hi Monk :smile:

I use Rumen Kolevs software which calculates parans

as you are aware Paranatellonta are stars or star groups

that fall upon angles

at the same time that a significant constellation or planet is also upon the angles.

They are viewed as attendants.

In ancient astrology the term was also applied to the constellations that ascended
with the zodiacal decans.
In modern astrology the term Paran (short for Paranatellonta)
is generally used to describe
stars or planets that are angular as a planet hits the ascendant, MC, Descendant or IC.
For example, the parans of Mercury would be those stars or planets
that were rising, culminating, descending of located upon the IC
at the same time that Mercury is in any or those positions.
Thus if the fixed star Regulus culminates on the Midheaven as Mercury rises on the ascendant
it is referred to as a paran of Mercury
and considered to have an influence upon its meaning.https://www.skyscript.co.uk/gl/paran.html
 

JUPITERASC

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Hi Jup,
I think seeing is believing, i test my pictures regarding the Rising, Setting, culminating and Nadir stars regarding Starlight and Brady with astronomy software regarding the Sun's three ways to align the day, i haven't found fault yet, however i have found fault on any other paran software that doesn't give an actual picture but only throws out written data, i'm not sure now as i don't now own an up to date Solar Fire program, but a few years ago, i had to laugh how inaccurate it was regarding written parans!
So beware if you can't get a picture of the stars at location, don't just follow written jargon on software, if you can't see it, don't believe it!
I'm interested in Rumen Kolev's software, lets see if it is accurate, find any country and tell me on what day Sirius rises with the Sun by Cosmic means, being within a degree of the horizon, does it give pictures, if so please supply us with one, thanks!
Choose any country but use the Capitol, in the end it makes things easier, as some towns especially in Arab countries can have numerous spellings!
Hi Monk :smile:
Solar Fire also has a useless so-called rectification option
I switched to DELPHIC ORACLE http://www.astrology-x-files.com/delphicoracle-download.html
as well as
PORPHYRIUS MAGUS http://www.babylonianastrology.com/...facturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=54
ALSO
kaktuzz, one of our members, is working on FREE PARANS software
and already has multiple excellent generously FREE online software options at https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1025092&postcount=135

So beware if you can't get a picture of the stars at location, don't just follow written jargon on software, if you can't see it, don't believe it!
I'm interested in Rumen Kolev's software, lets see if it is accurate,
find any country and tell me on what day Sirius rises with the Sun by Cosmic means, being within a degree of the horizon, does it give pictures, if so please supply us with one, thanks!
Choose any country but use the Capitol, in the end it makes things easier, as some towns especially in Arab countries can have numerous spellings!
rumen kolevs software charts are over-sized for posting on our forum
a description is on website at http://www.babylonianastrology.com/...category_id=1&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=54
Hi David,
I have to say i'm not certain of my ground after looking at the Births and Deaths of all the Presidents of the United States, i need to go through all the leaders of other countries, which will take a long time before i form a thesis, however until then, i think of my finding as electional.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1256070/pg1
Several pages under my avatar Astronomer62.
Obviously to see if something is electional astrology, you cluster events, since the birth of the modern Olympics in 1896, they all have been aligned by different methods to Alnilam, Belt of Orion and Osiris Star or Sirius being the Isis star, if this is unconscious action, what does it say about religion?
Several pages below:-
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1246908/pg1


What does this mean for the First and Second World Wars, if unconscious?
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1220581/pg1


Generally it is thought in esoteric doctrines that souls go to Sirius or Alnilam, if that is true, it is dynamite for modern religions that sprung up in the last 2,000 years.
If unconscious alignments then religion has an ancient Egyptian flavour, if elected, then the top layer of religion thinks it does, i don't feel there is a middle way, either way it is highly controversial evidence.
Hi Opal,
I have no idea if the Magi existed, my comment were, i could have followed Sirius from Persia to Bethlehem, but i would have needed to know date of birth before i set out on my journey.


The Carol we know only was written in 1857, "We Three Kings".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_Three_Kings


At that lattitude the Belt of Orion doesn't rise or set together, for other alignments, i have worked out below for the time frame of Jesus Christ.
11th December, Sun sets as Alnilam is rising.
21st November, Sun rises as Sirius is setting.
11th November, Sun rises as Alnilam is setting.


The only alignment for Bethlehem that fits is Epiphany, 6th January which is sunset on the 5th, being the jewish start of the day, with Sirius rising in the East.
Even that date could have been elected purely for the alignment, i have no idea what date that Jesus was born.
Hi David,
I'm just thinking of "Unconscious action" being non-deliberate astrology, i wonder what your thoughts are on the Illuminati, they too are aligned to Sirius, info on first page below:-
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1222591/pg1
 

JUPITERASC

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from AstroBob: Feb. 28, 2017 Photos of the heavens with Spica, Bootes & Arcturus:

https://astrobob.areavoices.com/2017/02/28/welcome-arcturus/

Opal:

I just glanced at this chart and date, and it could be the closest I've seen yet- i.e. 6BC

https://www.astrologyweekly.com/astrology-articles/jesus-christ.php

I tried 4 BC so far: which gave me -

I'm interested in the 8th January 0006 BC chart that you posted, it is near to 6th January and Epiphany however i wouldn't use midnight, water clocks during that time were not accurate therefore it was hard to calcalate the middle of the night.
To follow a star 2,000 years ago, it would have been by latitude not longitude, and a star can't sit over Bethlehem to follow, as the poles are tilted and stars move thoughout the night from east to west.
The exception being Polaris that is in approx. position for all locations during our era, so you can't follow that.
The 8th January chart still shows Sirius slightly higher as the Sun set on 7th January, being Jewish day start. This could have been followed to Bethlehem.
We might surmise, if the Three Kings were "Real", then coming from Persia, they have followed the Zoroastrian religion that had "Savour" myths about the God Tishtrya that was associated with Sirius, so could account for using that star:-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tishtrya
As far as being a very powerful god, then in myths, Sirius has the most myths about it, especially in secret societies:-
https://vigilantcitizen.com/hidden-knowledge/connection-between-sirius-and-human-history/
Even today we can wonder if Iran is still following Sirius, it was 31st March 1925 that Iran adopted the Iranian Civil Calendar:-
https://en.key2persia.com/Iran-calendar
Why use this date?
A lot of muslim's use sunset previous to date making it sunset on 30th March 1925, when Sirius was culminating at true South in the Capital Tehran.



https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1045452&postcount=270
 

JUPITERASC

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Hi Leomoon,
Around 2000 years ago Arcturus by projected on the Ecliptic measure was at 26:19 Virgo, but the only time visual astrology and projected measure agree is when a star actually sits on the ecliptic, like Regulus.
As the picture you posted seems to have Arcturus near M.C., i thought i would tell you as Arcturus doesn't really sit there as is off-set from the Ecliptic.
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Hi Monk - re PARANS :smile:

Hellenistic Parans and Rotated Parans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9yXcoBMDyE




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JUPITERASC

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Hi Jup,
Thanks for the info, all parans start at sunrise, sunset or modern midnight, which is why i factor in the Sun.
All info about the alleged Magi following a star really needs them to know date of birth before setting out on their journey, say they thought that Jesus was to be born as the Sun set as Sirius rises on 31st December, then it would have led them to Thebes!
I have an interesting article that i wrote about this regarding 0045 BC below:-
https://wintertriangle.wordpress.com/the-paran-paranatellona-and-sun-calanders/


Hi Opal,
We will never agree to the date of Crucifixion as the passover is mentioned, however it is like the Ecclesiastical way of marking Easter, by 21 March being the Vernal Equinox, then they wait for the first full Moon, when Easter will be the next Sunday after that, however as we are not sure of the year and Easter isn't a fixed date, guessing could be wildly inaccurate, so i can't post any parans.


If the three wise men came from the area of Persia that i imagine, there is an alignment that is fairly recent for Iran, being 1st April 1979, when they become an Islamic State, midnight day marker, with the three stars of the Belt of Orion setting in the West, in location of Tehran:-

https://www.wbez.org/stories/islami...l-1-1979/0f06e864-4023-4913-941c-57e241c6757f
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1045624&postcount=299
The constitution of Iraq comes from 15th October 2005, i have aligned it from the Capital, Baghdad, using midnight day marker when Sirius is rising along horizon in the East.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Iraqi_constitutional_referendum
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1045625&postcount=300


The debate regarding Chronology of Jesus can be seen below:-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_Jesus#Year_of_Jesus'_birth


I have to say i'm very dubious of 25th December, that did fall in the Julian calendar on the Winter Solstice during Jesus's time.
There are other reason's, for the feast of the annunciation is held on 25th March being the Vernal Equinox in Jesus's time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feast_of_the_Annunciation
During this time in Israel, it was believed that "real" prophets died on a later date of birth or conception, please note nine months difference!

The 25 March to 25 December thing is just too neat for me regarding myths,
legends, Equinox's and Solstice's!
There is no doubt that fiction writers look for legends to inspire them to write and when done well, they sell million's of books, the Da Vinci Code is one of these books, that keep us looking into codes and legends.
However the mystery is never solved, we don't have enough evidence!
Who would remember Jack the Ripper, if he had been caught and we knew who he was?

There is some cause to think that somewhere in latin world there could be people now who have the blood of the last Pharaoh Cleopatra, Drusilla of Mauretania had direct lineage to her!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drusilla_of_Mauretania_the_Elder
That would be good inspiration for a book!

Even with astrology it has been allegedly done by placing the legends of astrology into childrens books, like Michael Ward with finding a Narnia Code.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLYpen72bpY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aPQmoyzXx8
Even i did get obsessed with finding codes in the Harry Potter books LOL!
We love codes that are never solved, or the magic is gone!
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1222342/pg1

Hi Opal David and Jup,
I have always been interested in Egyptian philosophy, i was only 13 years old when i bought "The Egyptian Book of the Dead", i have often wondered about the rules of living, i still have the book which i have kept for nearly 50 years.
 

JUPITERASC

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Hi David,
i have always respected your research, as a researcher myself i have an idea how long it took you!
The constellation of Orion was valued as Osiris by Egyptian's, the middle or heart of Orion is the Belt of Orion and the middle star of that is Alnilam.
That is why i think it comes up in so much of my research as well as Sirius.
However, although i feel most of the interpretation of Sirius is correct by astrologers, i think the interpretation of Alnilam is completely wrong and under valued as an important star, i think it is the equal of Sirius.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ATeHR5Cb_0
I think all religions have "borrowed" from each other, therefore perhaps blending of idea's are the right approach to any interpretation of God.
I don't believe that we have "one Life" to reach spiritual perfection, so i do believe we all have souls and reincarnation.
A lot of my life i have investigated spiritual matters, i'm not sure i believe in demons but i have had experiences, that many would!
I tend still to try to stay in the middle of debate that is highly controversial!
Hi Jesusistheway,
You have a right to your beliefs, however please note most Eunuchs were looking for work in an effort to feed themselves and had their sexual organs cut off as it was the only way that an emperor would trust them in guarding a harem, i'm pleased that i don't have to make that choice!
Some Englishmen are scholars, but not most, most countries can and do have many scholars.
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JUPITERASC

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The Antithykera Mechanism
is by far the most advanced piece of ancient technology ever discovered
is older than we thought
and
not quite as Greek as we thought either
.
Researchers think they have identified a particular solar eclipse
predicted by the device's complex cycle of astronomical calculations
which can find the location of the Sun and Moon, the phase of the Moon
and possibly the positions of the planets for any given day.
Christian Carman, a science historian at the National University of Quilmes in Argentina
and James Evans, a physicist at the University of Puget Sound in Washington
reached their conclusions by comparing the mechanism's eclipse predictions
found on the Saros dial
with records from Babylon.
That gave them the cosmological clockwork's start date
12 May 205BC
more than a century earlier than originally thought :smile:
the ANTITHYKERA mechanism was designed according to Babylonian arithmetic principles
rather than Greek trigonometry, which had not been invented in 205BC.
But while the principle used was imported
it remains likely that the mechanism was built in Greece
the lettering on it is Greek
it has a dial that predicts when the Olympic Games will be held
and
bears an inscription mentioning an athletic event on Rhodes.

NEVERTHELESS

The markings on the face of the device
show both Babylonian and Egyptian dates translated into Greek.



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JUPITERASC

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I write this on hostile astronomy sites, i have done this a number of times, look at avatar picture, and post by myself on 1st May, i don't have much of my ability to post now!
Who would like a hostile environment?
I do.
You will know me, by avatar picture. it is obvious, i'm well aware of debate, but faith is important, i wish not to harm others in debate, other than astrology debate, Pssst, i might be an astrologer really,, but deal with many hostile forums.....don't tell astronomers, even if i get banned from most astronomy forums without debate.
https://stargazerslounge.com/topic/310585-must-watch-documentary/
Hi Opal, David and Jup,
I think it is time to study some astrology, a long time ago, on a different thread Jup asked questions about double paran alignments, today i will show four alignments, which is extremely rare to location.
it is topical being a global dialogue of faiths, which needs to be under investigation.
The Parliament of World Religions were inaugurated on 11th September 1893 in Chicago, Illinois, it wasn't perfect as some religions were not invited, but is interesting, it has an ancient Egyptian alignment to day, one alignment being ancient Greek, being sunset of previous day, while Alnilam was on the Nadir, This happened on 9/11 being over a century later in New York by paran.
1) 11th September is the first of Thout or Thoth, the Coptic Calendar, is the last remnant of the ancient Egyptian Calendar and values this as New Year, it is symbolic of Sirius the Isis star rising with the Sun.
By accurate astronomy and paran, i can't find any where now where this happens, but it can happen with the inaccurate projected measure.
Quotes by link:-
Thout (Coptic: Ⲑⲱⲟⲩⲧ, [tʰoːuːt]), also known as Thoth (Greek: Θωθ, Thōth) and Tut[1] (Arabic: توت‎), is the first month of the ancient Egyptian and Coptic calendars. It lies between 11 September and 10 October of the Gregorian calendar. The month of Thout is also the first month of the Season of Akhet (Inundation) in Ancient Egypt, when the Nile floods historically covered the land of Egypt; it has not done so since the construction of the High Dam at Aswan.

Thout means THOTH:-
Name

The name of the month comes from Thoth, the Ancient Egyptian God of Wisdom and Science, inventor of writing, patron of scribes, and "he who designates the seasons, months, and years." Thoth presided over the "House of Life," which were composed and copied all texts necessary for the maintenance and replenishment of life.

Link below, so date is marked being number one:-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thout
Link to the "Parliament of World Religions" is below with date of when it started on 11th September 1893 in Chicago:-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliament_of_the_World's_Religions
On that day by midnight day marker, Sirius was rising by projected measure, Asc was 13* 41' Cancer and Sirius was 12* 37' Cancer, so means the day in Chicago was marked twice!
3) By paran on day and location ancient Greek day marker was used for as the Sun set on 10th September 1893, Alnilam was on the Nadir, graph on private members download.
4) by using midnight day marker at location by paran we find Alnilam, the Osiris star rising in the East, graph on attachment.
Could this be electional astrology by the elite who preach differently to the masses, but believe in Egyptian gods?
It may be unconscious, therefore what is the Creator trying to tell us?
Strangely "The Theosophical Society" was invited to this conference.
Please tell me your thoughts.
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1046037&postcount=409
 

JUPITERASC

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Hi David,
If this is unconscious alignments then we would have to interpret what the Creator is signalling, after all, most monk orders of the Reformation and before regarding the Vatican were all aligned to Sirius or Alnilam (Even Opus Dei featured in the Da Vinci Code).



And even our calendar is aligned to culminating Sirius at New Year at midnight, very odd!

https://earthsky.org/astronomy-essentials/star-sirius-torchbearer-of-the-new-year

It all feels very Egyptian!
Hi Monk :smile:

SYMBOLS are/were incorrectly attributed
thus muddying the waters
e.g.
double headed eagle

American History is Wrong
Time To Put The Record Straight!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLjiXOJ-KnA


Hi Jup,
thanks for the video.
I wonder how cocaine came to be inside Egyptian mummies, only found in South America?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57gaB1VtJiQ


Hi Opal,
I actually have a Tesla machine, it spits static electricity bolts at me, LOL.
I found a bit more regarding the Parliament of Religions, that sat during "The World's Columbian Exposition".
http://people.bu.edu/wwildman/bce/worldparliamentofreligions1893.htm
It was here that "Chicago Day" was introduced on 9th October 1893.
https://chicagology.com/columbiaexpo/fair001/
Ancient Greek day marker, sunset on 8th October with Sirius on the Nadir.
Hi Monk :smile:

Highly Odd Pyramid Texts Reveal
Ancient Origins of Hathor Which Has Rattled the Cage of Egyptology
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOapaImEZGE&feature=youtu.be


Hi Jup,
I thought video below would interest:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19Iea0kn31I
Hi Leomoon,
Thank you for your research, as the Theosophy Society were at the first Parliament of Religions and the leader Annie Besant i thought i would add the thoughts of Helena Blavatsky, regarding Sirius, who died several years before:-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annie_Besant

"SIRIUS The brightest star in the night sky of our Earth, Sirius is said by modern science to be twice the size of our sun and twenty-five times more luminous than it.It is often called the “Dog Star” due to its position of prominence in the constellation that has been named Canis Major, literally “Greater Dog.” Science says that it is moving closer to our solar system, meaning that it will very gradually become brighter to us.HPB wrote and explained very little about Sirius but this does not mean that sheknewvery little about it but rather that she was only permitted or instructed tosayvery little about it by those Eastern Adepts and Initiates who she spoke of as “The Masters.”Her key statements on the subject are this:“Sirius was called thedog-star. It was the star of Mercury or Budha, called the great instructor of mankind, before other Buddhas.”(S.D. 2:374; note that “Budha” and “Buddha” are two different words in Sanskrit, “Budha” being the name for the planet Mercury)And this:“In Egyptian,Sothis. The dog-star: the star worshipped in Egypt and reverenced by the Occultists; by the former because its heliacal rising with the Sun was a sign of the beneficent inundation of the Nile, and by the latter because it is mysteriously associated with Thoth-Hermes, god of wisdom, and Mercury, in another form. Thus Sothis-Sirius had, and still has, a mystic and direct influence over thewholelivingheaven, and is connected with almost every god and goddess. . . . [it] is directly connected with the ring “Pass me not”; . . . Being connected with the Pyramid, Sirius was, therefore, connected with the initiations which took place in it. . . . To sum up, all religions are not, as Dufeu, the French Egyptologist, sought to prove, derived from Sirius, the dog-star, but Sirius-Sothis is certainly found in connection with every religion of antiquity.”(“The Theosophical Glossary” p. 300, Entry for “Sirius”)There is much food for thought in the “Glossary” entry, such as the facts that (1)Sirius is “reverenced by the Occultists.”(2)Sirius has “a mystic and direct influence over the wholelivingheaven.”(3)Sirius bears a connection with initiations that take place here on Earth.(4)Sirius is “directly connected” with what is known in the Masters’ Esoteric Doctrine as “the Ring PASS-NOT.”(5)Sirius bears a mysterious close association with Mercury; not only the 8planet of that name but the Divine Wisdom which it represents and with which it is occultly connected.On the fifth point, it is interesting to note that in her article “The History of a Planet,” which is about Venus, HPB happens to mention also the planet Mercury, calling it “the double of Sirius in our solar system.”As for the “Ring PASS-NOT,” also called “The great circle of “Pass not” and “the Dhyanipasa, the “rope of the Angels,” this is dealt with primarily on p. 90 and p. 130-135 of the first volume of “The Secret Doctrine.” It is said to be the unseen “rope” (figuratively speaking, of course) that serves as the border and boundary between the world of matter and the world of pure spirit, between the finite and the truly INFINITE. It is instituted by the Lipika (high celestial beings) and until the Universal Pralaya, i.e. when thewhole life cycle of our whole Universe reaches its inevitable periodical end, it is they alone who can cross its “forbidden line.” Until then the Great Day “BE-WITH-US” when all is absorbed into the state of Parinirvana no man, deva, or Dhyan Chohan, can cross it, “not even in spirit.”It is connected in some way with the numbers 31415, the mathematical value of πor “pi.”“The semi-initiated Occultist will represent this laya-point to himself as existing on some plane which, if not physical, is still conceivable to the human intellect. But the full Initiateknowsthat the ring “Pass-Not” is neither a locality nor can it be measured by distance, but that it exists in the absoluteness of infinity. In this “Infinity” of the full Initiate there is neither height, breadth nor thickness, but all is fathomless profundity, reaching down from the physical to the “para-para-metaphysical.” In using the word “down,” essential depth “nowhere and everywhere” is meant, not depth of physical matter.”(S.D. 1:131)Even the little that can be said about it shows that it really defies words but nonetheless we are told that Sirius is directly connected with it."
Link below:-
https://www.theosophy-ult.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/milkyway-pleiades-sirius.pdf
 

JUPITERASC

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It is hard to know what is electional astrology or unconscious alignments regarding history.
There is an interesting link below regarding astrology magic, although the example is using projected measure for Sirius, not parans.
https://www.renaissanceastrology.com/siriustalisman.html
Hi Opal. David, Leomoon and Jup,
I think it is time to investigate how big ships could be in ancient times which would increase belief that travel to South America across the ocean was possible.
Sadly the museum that housed the "Nemi Ships", were set on fire by shells in W.W.2, we don't have them anymore.
Below on early video shows how big they could get, it is very surprising.
It could explain how many cultures valued Sirius and how Egypt and central and South America have Pyramids:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thPLHrTiHSU


I thought Video below would interest:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARbhX5koOpo
I have run out of picture space so must become a paid up member, no picture's for a while.
We are told that the ending of the Mayan Calendar on the Winter Solstice, 21st December 2012 was the beginning of another cycle.
Many researchers think that the calendar was calcalated from Izapa, Mexico.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/travel/digital-nomad/2012/02/10/point-of-view/
By paran at that location on 21st December 2012 as the Sun was rising, Sirius was setting, and as the Sun set, Alnliam was rising.
The Mayan Calendar does have an Egyptian flavour!
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JUPITERASC

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Hi Opal,
If we are just starting a new cycle, then perhaps the Mayan Calendar shows this?
However i'm not sure it started in Izapa, Mexico, but the location has the markers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmW2AqQXMJ0

As Sun sets, Alnilam, Belt of Orion rises, as Sun rises, Sirius sets, parans on private members download.
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1046545&postcount=435
Strangely, in the United States, the list below does seem to have had either a supernatural hand or human electional astrology applied.
The United States Army, Air Force and Navy is the most powerful in the world.
The United States Intelligence Communities are the most powerful in the world, except for the F.B.I. all this is either aligned to Sirius or Alnilam by parent heads or by the actual branch of security agency featured below:-
Organization Parent Organization Federal Department Date est.
Sixteenth Air Force United States Air Force Defense 1948
Intelligence and Security Command United States Army Defense 1977
Central Intelligence Agency none Independent agency 1947
Coast Guard Intelligence United States Coast Guard Homeland Security 1915
Defense Intelligence Agency United States Department of Defense Defense 1961
Office of Intelligence and Counterintelligence United States Department of Energy Energy 1977
Office of Intelligence and Analysis United States Department of Homeland Security Homeland Security 2007
Bureau of Intelligence and Research United States Department of State State 1945
Office of Terrorism and Financial Intelligence United States Department of the Treasury Treasury 2004
Office of National Security Intelligence Drug Enforcement Administration Justice 2006
Intelligence Branch Federal Bureau of Investigation Justice 2005
Marine Corps Intelligence Activity United States Marine Corps Defense 1978
National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency United States Department of Defense Defense 1996
National Reconnaissance Office United States Department of Defense Defense 1961
National Security Agency/Central Security Service United States Department of Defense Defense 1952
Office of Naval Intelligence United States Navy Defense 1882
The White House is aligned to Sirius, The Washington Monument is aligned to Alnilam and Declaration of Independence is aligned to Alnilam, all premier military colleges and academy's are aligned.
en.wikipedia.org...
 

JUPITERASC

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Biblical Passages Found on the walls of Ancient Egyptian Temples
are Mystifying :smile:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_4skfhwgl8


Hi Petosiris,
The F.B.I. investigate crime in the United States, not in the UK.
If i'm watched or not, i really couldn't care less, my years are numbered now, so am ready for pennies to be placed on my eyes to pay the ferryman.
I'm 63 with a broken spine, so ill health is always on the horizon, but i am a happy soul.
I remember a debate we had some time back about J.C., obviously heated debate with some members, i think i came into debate late on page ten, i know some members won't like that this thread has been resurrected.
I know Jup secretly likes to be the ringmaster with puns (dry sense of humour), but it is an interesting thread.
I think i was drunk through most of it, or i was on too much morphine, LOL!

https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=68443&highlight=jesus+christ+exist&page=10
DEPARTMENT OF ANCIENT HISTORY

Hi Jup,

I'm very interested in Dr. Farr's comments that you quoted at the top of the page, indeed if i could walk and travel well i would be in Amsterdam, spending time at the Ritman Library, also called Bibliotheca Philosophica Hermetica, link below:-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bibliotheca_Philosophica_Hermetica

Probably a good place to go for hermetic electional astrology.

Hermes Trismegistus sounds obscure
but at one time almost took over the Christian faith
if you ever visit Italy, you can see him in the mosaic floor inside the Cathedral of Siena!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermes_Trismegistus
Ancient Hellenisitc practicing astrologer Vettius Valens wrote THE ANTHOLOGY
two thousand years ago in ancient Greek
Valens notes one of his sources as "Hermes Trismegistus" and another as "Petosiris" :smile:
clearly an hermetic allusion
free pdf translated by Professor Riley of CSU
http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/vettius valens entire.pdf

so Monk, dr. farr provides us with much food for thought
when he mentions - and I quote:

Your comment (a worthy one regarding investigating symbolic analogies between the NT and astrology)
reminds me of certain esoteric associations of Jesus with Hermes (Thoth)
Jesus said, "I am the First and the Last...no one comes to the Father except through Me"
forcefully makes me think of Mercury and its orbit: Mercury is the first planet away from the Sun (Sun = "the Father")
and the last planet before the Sun; nothing "comes to" the Sun unless it first crosses the orbital path of Mercury....
However, we are off topic taking this further, on this particular thread...
I'm the OP - dr. farr is most definitely on topic for the debate concerning these ancient conundrums



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