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It's been stated before, and it's something I've been ambivalent toward ever since I've heard it, as it is an easy leap to make but may not sum up the issue quite as well as might be thought. And that is the whole question of, "Do traditional astrologers have a more prominent Saturn than non-traditional astrologers." Is there evidence that astrological traditionalists have Saturn prominence in their chart?
Now, ironically or not, this sub forum has the most formal and serious tone of the whole website, and that may be an indication of Saturnine influence or could be a mere coincidence. However, I encourage everyone, regardless of how "advanced" or "novice" they are to contribute their reasons as to why they are drawn to traditional techniques/philosophy and then state or show their chart so we can see if Saturn has a strong presence.
Starting with myself, I was drawn to traditional techniques for a number of reasons. I really liked that there was more depth and substance to the traditional seven planets than what I was seeing afforded to them within more modern circles. All of sudden, Mercury for example had a lot more to say in a chart, as much as any other planet, and this made it possible to read a chart with more detail and less data points. This was the same with every other point and with the houses as well. This I felt was a more powerful way to do astrology and the strongest barometer to which I judged was that I was making effective delineations, I saw improvement after utilizing a more traditional perspective.
Another issue I've had which I've become satisfied with is this. Although ancient techniques don't preclude personality/psychological appraisal, it's also able to describe convincingly the material reality of a situation. What may be a disadvantage to the more psychological approach to astrology is that it's description of the mind of an individual is unverifiable to outside observers, and hence in a reading what could potentially happen is a misattribution of one character trait with another. Say for instance, someone is reticent and is very conservative and no-nonsense in there demeanor. But when they come to you, they ask about their "shyness" even though they have a leo ascendant. The chart shows Pluto in 12th, Saturn conjunct Leo ascendant, 2 Sagittarius planets and Mars in Capricorn. If a psychological astrologer explains that the 12th house Pluto and Mars in Capricorn is the cause of their shyness, with reference to the sign Capricorn and the 12th house, then the individual might go away and say "Wow! Thanks for enlightening me!" What the person doesn't know, is that there was a stronger aspect in the chart that would have described the exact reasons as to why their personality is the way it is, and it is just this ability or possibility for explaining or away or an "escape hatch" that I dislike in certain modern circles. The more traditional astrologers are more likely to handle practical questions that are easy to verify as legitimate or not.
So essentially, maximization of resources and verifiability. I'll admit that does have a Saturnine ring to it. I have more reasons but that's enough for now.
Does Saturn have a strong presence in my chart? It actually does, but when you look at my chart you aren't likely to make that summation. I have an Aquarius Moon, which makes my "irrational mind" under the influence of Saturn, and something that may be unfamiliar to a number of people is that my Saturn is stationing direct. Stations are an indicator of strength/loudness in the life, and are on par with angularity and phasis. With Saturn thus placed in my chart, it provides a fine counter-force to all the rest of the elements within my chart which would make me unconscientious. And at the very least, it's placement in the 3rd house would incline me toward an "organized mind".
What about you all. Would you attribute your attraction to traditional astrology to "Saturnine reasons" and is Saturn a strong presence in your chart. Inquiring minds would like to know.
Now, ironically or not, this sub forum has the most formal and serious tone of the whole website, and that may be an indication of Saturnine influence or could be a mere coincidence. However, I encourage everyone, regardless of how "advanced" or "novice" they are to contribute their reasons as to why they are drawn to traditional techniques/philosophy and then state or show their chart so we can see if Saturn has a strong presence.
Starting with myself, I was drawn to traditional techniques for a number of reasons. I really liked that there was more depth and substance to the traditional seven planets than what I was seeing afforded to them within more modern circles. All of sudden, Mercury for example had a lot more to say in a chart, as much as any other planet, and this made it possible to read a chart with more detail and less data points. This was the same with every other point and with the houses as well. This I felt was a more powerful way to do astrology and the strongest barometer to which I judged was that I was making effective delineations, I saw improvement after utilizing a more traditional perspective.
Another issue I've had which I've become satisfied with is this. Although ancient techniques don't preclude personality/psychological appraisal, it's also able to describe convincingly the material reality of a situation. What may be a disadvantage to the more psychological approach to astrology is that it's description of the mind of an individual is unverifiable to outside observers, and hence in a reading what could potentially happen is a misattribution of one character trait with another. Say for instance, someone is reticent and is very conservative and no-nonsense in there demeanor. But when they come to you, they ask about their "shyness" even though they have a leo ascendant. The chart shows Pluto in 12th, Saturn conjunct Leo ascendant, 2 Sagittarius planets and Mars in Capricorn. If a psychological astrologer explains that the 12th house Pluto and Mars in Capricorn is the cause of their shyness, with reference to the sign Capricorn and the 12th house, then the individual might go away and say "Wow! Thanks for enlightening me!" What the person doesn't know, is that there was a stronger aspect in the chart that would have described the exact reasons as to why their personality is the way it is, and it is just this ability or possibility for explaining or away or an "escape hatch" that I dislike in certain modern circles. The more traditional astrologers are more likely to handle practical questions that are easy to verify as legitimate or not.
So essentially, maximization of resources and verifiability. I'll admit that does have a Saturnine ring to it. I have more reasons but that's enough for now.
Does Saturn have a strong presence in my chart? It actually does, but when you look at my chart you aren't likely to make that summation. I have an Aquarius Moon, which makes my "irrational mind" under the influence of Saturn, and something that may be unfamiliar to a number of people is that my Saturn is stationing direct. Stations are an indicator of strength/loudness in the life, and are on par with angularity and phasis. With Saturn thus placed in my chart, it provides a fine counter-force to all the rest of the elements within my chart which would make me unconscientious. And at the very least, it's placement in the 3rd house would incline me toward an "organized mind".
What about you all. Would you attribute your attraction to traditional astrology to "Saturnine reasons" and is Saturn a strong presence in your chart. Inquiring minds would like to know.