Still puzzled by my North Node

As much as I've studied my chart, I've never been able to get a good grasp on what the meaning of my North Node is. Nothing that I've read has really struck me personally as being what it signified for me. My South Node, I get. Even people that read my chart usually concentrate on the South Node, because it is conjunct my Sun. From my understanding of the South Node, it can show a gift that you naturally have, having developed it in past lives. But it is actually holding you back sometimes. So you need to move past that and into a new level, new gifts, etc, that will bring you into your destiny. Or something to that affect. (If anyone has any clearer explanation on the Nodes, I'd love to hear it.)

Anyway, teaching, intellectualism, religion - all the things associated with the South Node in Sag/11th - been there, done that, and bought the t-shirt. I can do it in my sleep. However, it is really depressing, strange as that may seem. I know it's not what will bring me happiness now - at least not at this stage in my life. It may be reintegrated later. I just can't see how utilizing these qualities is helping me at this juncture. Even my learning problems I'm currently having.... perhaps this is a big "HELLO!" from the Universe telling me that I'm not to keep pursuing developing these talents at this time. I've had psychics tell me that I'm supposed to be doing spiritual teaching. I know this is so, at some point, but if it's for now, why is the thought of it so depressing? I've also spent two past lives as a Buddhist monk. (This was told me by a psychic several years ago, but I've seen some scenes from this in my dreams, as well.) The talent is definitely there, BUT...........

So, all that being said, what could my illusive North Node in Gemini in the 5th mean for me?

Also, to add another slant to this, quoting what Starnoud taught me about the Dragon and the Beast:

Dragon is 90* from NN - same degree. This is where you meet yourself, where you are fighting yourself for nothing. This for me would be 4* Virgo/8th, with Leo on cusp.

Beast is opposite Dragon. This is how you live your heart's desires. Feed the beast, so you will get energy. The Beast is exactly conjunct my Part of Fortune at 4* Pisces/2nd, with Aquarius on the cusp. (For you asteroid junkies, the asteroid Gaea is exactly conjunct Beast/POF at 4* Pisces)

The 4* Pisces point is another illusive point for me. I have no good grasp of what my True Node and Part of Fortune mean for me.

So my NN/SN are in a T-square with my Part of Fortune.

Any suggestions?

Here is an interpretation by Kevin Burk. Although the book doesn't give interpretations on planets aspecting the Nodes.

With your South Node in Sagittarius in the 11th house, you encounter your South Node gifts of a dedication to truth, to personal freedom, and to exploring the more universal principles in the world when you socialize with your friends and peers. The 11th house is where we seek a sense of social and intellectual security. In the 11th house we want to belong to a social community. Within this community, we learn appropriate behaviour-standards, we participate in group creativity, and receive and accept the love of others.

Your friends are likely to share common beliefs and ideals with you, and this support, these common causes, often form the core foundation of your friendships the trap of the South Node in Sagittarius in the 11th house is to assume that : shared beliefs are the only basis for your friendships, and to abandon your friends when they hold beliefs that are different from yours the key to balancing this energy is to work with the North Node in : 5th house. The 5th house is where we search for security in our identity as an individual. Everything that we can do that makes us feel special and unique, that makes us feel like we deserve the attention and acknowledgment of others, is found in the 5th house—that is why the 5th house is associated with such a mixed bag of concepts including children, the arts, gambling, and love affairs.

The combination of the Gemini energy of the North Node and the exceptionally fun nature of the 5th house means that the first lesson for you to learn is to lighten up and become more playful and flexible. The trap of the South Node in Sagittarius can make you so rigid in your beliefs that you are unable to tolerate any differences of opinion. While experiencing the freedom and playfulness of the North Node in Gemini in the 5th house, you are apt to discover that even the ultimate "truth" has many diverse facets when actually applied to life.

Thanks for replying, Shining Ray! Haven't "run into" you on here for awhile.

As to my South Node, I currently have no community/no tribe/ no family. I do not reject them because of their beliefs. Almost all of my friends have rejected me because of mine, as they are still in the type of religion I used to belong to. They think my beliefs are "of the devil", and so shun me. I do have some other friends of shared belief, but am unable to really socialize with them because of my being stranded 450 miles away from them, with no way to get back.

I've gone through the usual repertoire of 5th house, and tried several things, but so far, none of them have panned out. Back in August and October, when I was trying to find a way to get back to the area I wanted to move back to, I had several forum members tell me the same thing - that they had felt intuitively that the move would come in connection with a romance. But my best attempts at that have been met by obstacles that I can't seem to get around,as well.

Any thoughts on these thoughts?

So the rejection of friends who don't hold your beliefs is operating the other way around. But I would say that these other friends (in the world of projection ) Could be reflecting something back to you in terms of how rigid you could be becoming in your beliefs and maybe by learning to lighten up on your beliefs might help. Just a thought.

I think you can also look at the rulers of your Nodes for more information, I have my rulers of my Nodes square to each other. Lots of fun. My NN ruler in the 7th and my SN ruler in the 4th.

Another meaning for Gemini NN is: The path of effective communication. The soul is learning to express itself without ambiguity and or ambivalence. This is the path of truth.

Sagittarius SN: The soul has explored many philosophies and lived by many different beliefs. Now it must learn to simply be.

NN 5TH: The soul needs to learn to use power creatively. Becoming empowered from the heart.

Here is another interpretation from a link Dainbramaged had given. For your NN Gemini.

The Gemini Tikune

The Great Communicator - Yellow

Falls Under the Attitude of Gemini

This tikune relates to the need to learn to communicate and listen to people. There may be an unconscious impulse to speak ahead of others or to be so forceful in expressing your ideas that you turn them off. It is very important that you listen to people and understand them. This is what you came here to do. What you may be seeking is to be understood, but people will not understand you if you don't take the time to understand them. Your practice in this lifetime is to become a great communicator. This implies that you will become skilled in listening so that you can become a master communicator.

There are some indications that you have a deep fear of not being understood -- of not being heard. That is probably why you have such an urgent impulse to speak before you think. This impulse could be based on this fear of isolation and feeling disconnected from others. Also you may see and understand things much quicker than most people. This may be why you have little patience for listening to them come to a conclusion that you reached long ago.

It appears that because of this, you will need to observe and become aware of the effect that your speech has on others. Your ideas can be great but not received well by others due to the way in which you try to put them across. Some people may consider you arrogant or insensitive to their own rights to be heard.

The planet which rules the energy of your tikune is Mercury. Mercury is the ruler of all forms of communication. You will need to analyze the relationship of other planets to your Mercury in your chart to find the best path for you to express your life purpose. A skilled astrologer can make this clear for you.

Here Are Some Things To Practice:

Practice great patience when listening to others. You probably feel that you already know what they are going to say, but you must still allow them the space to express themselves. If you do not practice this, you will alienate the very people your are trying to understand.

Do not talk at people by telling them where "its's at." Concentrate on sharing ideas. Seek to learn from them by listening to them.
Avoid jumping to conclusions before you have all the facts.

The Necessary Correction

Practice giving up being judgmental and assuming that you know what is best for others.

Patience is a trait to bring into your life. When you practice patience you will observe that part of you that is very impatient. This is the impulsive side that comes from the habit realm of your unconscious which you learned long ago.

Your true life purpose is to make clear connections with people. You need to link your mind with them in such a way that you clearly understand their viewpoints and the way they look at things. The ideal achievement for you would be to become "the great communicator." When other have recognized this in you, then you are fulfilling your true life purpose. You will also feel that you are deeply connected to what you are supposed to be doing with your life.

p.s Just some ideas to play around with. I have to admit this free link is better than the book I bought on the interpretations. The book has valid points but I feel these interpretations get to the core of the meaning of the North Node.

Dear freedom lover, i think Shinging Ray has perfectly nailed down the key words of nodes. i just want to add a bit input on people in my surroundings who have NN opposition Sun aspects, maybe this can help give some further clues as to this aspect. i personally think this is a frustrating aspect, but out of "frustration" there indicates a strong urge to "succeed" for people with such aspect, and this aspect is somehow a "specialist" aspect, people do shine with this aspect. the first case is my brother, he is very intelligent and hard-working. when he was younger, he studied very hard to get the diplomas. but every time when there came critical exams in his life, he got an accident of ridiculous type which just prevented him from succeeding these exams. He was depressive for these accidents since he had to double his efforts to achieve the aims that he longed for. Another case is the sister of my best friend. she is a specialist in foreign affaires occuping an admirable post, but she is also very depressive since she always has the feeling that her capacity has not be completely explored. interesting that you spoke of "depressing" feelings. from the people that i know, this aspect does seem to link with some kind of "struggles" or "obstacles", both acutal and psychological ones in the life path. nevertheless, both my brother and the sisiter of my friend finished by becoming a specialist in their respective domain, they do "shine" in their SN domain. and both of them for me, very ambitious people, they are not satisfied with what they are able to do, their horizons are always higer and farthur, maybe because of the SN with Sun. therefore freedom lover, i do think this aspect very valuable since this aspects urges people to get higher and higher, but when i think the life lesson must be, when we get higher, we must be ready for the tests. Sometimes i have the feeling that we are not at all comfortable with our North Node as long as our South Node is not fully explored. I think we need to get to the bottom of South Node before starting the road to the North Node. I kind of feel that maybe you still need to explore your South Node, 11th---those things that you could even do in sleep, etc...because that's where your Sun can shine. And with time i think you will just get the occasion to start to move to the NN. but things shoud be done natually and you might need to take time. just my 2 cents. best, Themis

Hi freedomlover, (hoping I can read chart and post reply at the same time).

I haven't yet read what anyone else has written, so forgive any repetition.
Looking at your question from my strongly rational side, I don't believe anyone can ask, 'what does my ? mean?', look at that one point and get an answer. The natal chart shows repeating themes and it's picking out these themes that help solve the puzzle, especialy regarding the nodal axis. IMHO.

What I notice about your SN is that it is in the 11th house, which would suggest that your (distant) past is linked to a community spirit. I notice also that you have Moon in Aquarius well and firmly in the 1st house which would also confirm that this past conditioning is well integrated into and a major part of your personality. But it's the Moon, which would suggest that you are emotionally detached from other people (BML is also in Aquarius!) and it's difficult to 'join in' and feel part of anything.

mad: ; now lost chart! Rest from memory).

The NN is in the 5th house in Gemini. The difference between S and N is that SN is used to telling/orating/teaching and NN must hear/listen and learn. Another difference is that SN prefers being amongst the gods, whilst NN is to learn through everday exchanges with people. To me, it's like saying, if you only want to to continue to associate with higher mind people (Sun conjunct SN), how can you ever learn what the everyday man thinks and goes through?

Ruler of NN, Mercury, is in Sagittarius, not the best of signs for it to be in. It has difficulty with communicating knowledge; it's job is to pick up, communicate, and pass on everyday information. It's in the 12th house, though. Must be like a prison for an active-minded Mercury, stuck in a room with a lot of supposed 'know-alls', who believe to know, yet don't understand what's going on in the outside world.

I have a very dear friend who shares your nodes, but with his Gemini Sun conjunct NN. I once asked him, "How does it feel to live amongst the everday folk, in an everyday house, in an everyday town?" He later told me that it was the most provoking question he had ever been asked because he had, indeed, albeit it subconsciously, put himself above others. He'd wanted to enter the ministery but 'a woman' put a stop to those thoughts. He wanted to become a Dr., but everyday life put a stop to that. Instead, he became a male nurse, later a tutor at training school, and ended his career as director of an institute for the mentally disturbed. Yet he's the most philosophical man I have ever come across who can state things in an everyday way so that everyone can understand.

Maybe your Sun conjunct SN means that you can still add to your insights, but it's through everday communication with everyday people in an everyday manner that you will do so. You don't need philosophers and teachers to tell you; just be yourself .

F.

Hi been playing with my new scanner again So I thought I would add on the meanings of the sign/house axis from my book. Although you probably know all this anyway coz your a know it all Sagittarius SN . Doesn't hurt to have some more info.

THE GEMINI/SAGITTARIUS NODAL AXIS

The Gemini/Sagittarius nodal axis is the axis of the mind. The purpose of this axis is to learn how to balance the lower mind with the higher mind; the immediate environment with the cosmos; knowledge and information with truth and understanding. Gemini explores tie world, gathering information, making connections, and focusing primarily on the fundamental nature and expressions of duality. Sagittarius, on the other hand, seeks the unifying thread, the single : idea, the great truth that connects all of creation with the creator.

The function of Gemini is to explore the environment and to make connections between different elements. Gemini relates to all forms of language and communication because words are simply of drawing a connection between ideas and objects. Gemini is fascinated by everything and has an absolutely insatiable curiosity t the world. Gemini is constantly gathering information and is and exploring every possible facet and permutation of any situation. Inherent in the energy of Gemini is the concept of duality— 11 will explore both extremes of any situation in an attempt to understand how the two opposite concepts relate to each other. Gemini however is so completely focused on the details that it lacks any kind of perspective. Gemini is always gathering information, but lacks the focus and attention span to make use of the raw data, to discover common themes, and to discover where the details fit in the big picture.

Sagittarius, on the other hand, is entirely concerned with the big picture. Sagittarius energy is focused and one-pointed, and always dedicated to discovering the ultimate truth. While Gemini explores the lower mind, Sagittarius operates on the level of the higher mind in the realm of theory and philosophy, spirituality and theology Where Gemini seeks to explore duality, Sagittarius wants to resolve it integrating the opposite sides into a unified whole. Sagittarius is s symbolised by the centaur, which merges our dual animal and human nature. Even though Sagittarius has focus where Gemini does not, Sagittarius too can lose perspective and become so obsessed with discovering the truth that it can adopt the idea that the end will always justify means. While pursuing an understanding of the laws of the universe Sagittarius can often forget the laws of man, inadvertently hurting feelings of other individuals who may have different perspective their own personal truths.

The Gemini/Sagittarius nodal axis teaches us to find the balance between the lower and higher minds. We must always maintain curiosity and flexibility, but it must also be guided by a higher un standing and philosophy. Searching for an understanding of the universal truths is important, but we must also discover how to learn to apply those truths on a smaller scale in our daily lives—we must be able to communicate these truths to ourselves and to others. Knowledge must always be tempered with understanding and perspective.


The 5th House/11th House Axis

The 5th house/11th house axis focuses on our relationship as an individual to the group. In the 5th house we seek security for our identity in the group, while in the 11th house we seek social and intellectual security. This is the axis of group interaction.

In the 4th house we become aware of our emotional needs and also that we may have to rely on the collective to support ourselves in the 5th house we seek to earn this support and attention from the collective by being special. The traditional meanings of the 5th house all have this in common, and the 5th house contains everything that makes us feel special. Love affairs, romance, children, adventure. GAMBLING, artistic creativity—all of these fill us with a sense of being different, of enjoyment and of pride in our individual and unique identity. In the 5th house we look for and find the ways that we support and become secure in our uniqueness.

In the 11th house we seek acceptance from a group of individuals as a rightful and equal member of the group. After the isolation of the achievement of the 10th house, we once again seek to integrate into social support structure. We know that we are special; we have accomplished and expressed our unique individuality, and we do not relinquish this. At the same time, we seek identification with others who are equally special. In this way, the 11th house contains groups of our own choosing, our peers, our friends, and social organizations to which we belong. In the 11th house we begin to shift our focus from our identity as an individual and to expand our focus to include our identity as a part of a collective. The 11th house is opposite the 5th-house game room, and the two do have much in common (they're both pretty fun places to be).

The main difference is that when we're in the 11th house, we're spending time with groups of people; in the 5th house, we're either alone or in more intimate circumstances that usually don't call for more than one other person. The 11th house ;hen relates to friendship and friends, and it also has to do with our hopes and wishes (as opposed to our dreams, which, you remember, are found in the 9th house).

The 5th house/11th house axis teaches us how to balance our ~ need for personal expression with our need to be accepted and loved by others. In the 5th house we are only concerned with our own identity and with reminding ourselves of what it is that makes us so special and unique. In the 11th house we are less concerned about our individuality and more concerned about being a part of a group—the relationships with our friends become more important than our individual desires and interests. Balancing the two houses allows us to both give and receive love, to express our unique, creative identity, and to be appreciated for who we are.

P.S If there are a few missing words blame the scanner. I will fix it later. Oh and the word gambling came out quite large, I didn't put it in capitals the scanner did. Just in case you thought I was insinuating that you were a gambler because I am not. Although the scanner is.

Freedom,

The idea behind the Beast and Dragon is connected with the idea of the Grand Crosses (Cardinal, Fixed, Mutable), also if you think of it, the midpoint of the north node and the south node are them points...It has been used by French and the Dutch for quite a long time, English-speaking countries don't know too much about it, because it got lost in translation. I won't waste your time or mine on giving you a discription, to me what's the point if you can figure it out yourself!! The techiques that I have learned I'll share in this posting .

Pretty much I don’t see any node as being good, both have their flaws, and downfalls (And good points too!). The concept of nodes comes from the Vedic people, known as Rahu and Ketu, related to the numbers four and seven in numerology. (Four being the North Node, Rahu, seven being the South Node, Ketu). In myth, Rahu is a demon that drank some nectar that the gods were trying to hide from the demons. Lord Vishnu herd about it, went to chop Rahu in half, but since he already drink the nectar, he was immoral and the sword-blow caused a tail grow out of Rahu known as Ketu. These points mark the eclipses, and lets face it…eclipses never gotten great meanings…some cultures hold the superstition that if you do something on the day of an eclipse, it’s effect will last till the next eclipse, six months later (not to mention all the natural disasters linked to them). The north node is the main subconscious desire that we are struggling with this lifetime, and the south node is lessons that we are trying to finish from previous lifetimes. It’s all a system of checks and balances!!!

When I think of the planet that rules the nodes, the key word that runs threw my mind is the phrase "Lunar Nodes". The Moon has a great influence on the nodes, since its based on the Moon's plane of orbit around the Earth that intersects Earth's plane of orbit around the Sun (techically speaking all planets can have nodes... go figure). So on that thought, there's this thing called planets in containment... deals with 3 planets, one at the start, one in the middle and one at the end.... Past, present, and future. A good way to get a better grasp on your nodes is to look for the first planet behind your moon (clockwise Past) and the planet right afterwards (counter-clockwise future).

Opposite signs essentially work with the same basic question from different viewpoints – as if they were two sides of the same coin. Nodes bring out the contradictions and unity in opposite signs, and on a spiritual/ psychological level, they ask for resolution of conflicts into harmony. I tend to give the houses more of a weight, because the houses arn't ruled by planets and signs... they are "Associated" as the nodes arn't physically real, kind of like the number 0.

I tend to favor with the vedics with the nodes, and throw out the orb that makes the conjuction or opposition. If a planet is in the same sign with eather nodes it works like a conjuction, just the closer and in aspect the greater of an influence..but just being in the sign has some effect. The planets that rule over the two signs, their positions and the cusp rulers of the houses nodes in relation to the moon is also something I would consider..

This is what I know about the Beast and the Dragon myself... the Dragon being counter-clockwise from the south node, shows the middle-ground, usally the present situation...it's supposely an extremely lucky spot!! The other one, the beast is about going agaist both nodes, and going on a totally different path....So maybe it would work like a T-Square with the North Node South Node and the Beast, with the Dragon as the apendix point..I can't really relate anyone as being good or bad persay, because the nodes are just collective energy, and all signs relate to another when they have a common thread, such as a mode.

If I have more to add, Ill put it into another thread, or if you have any questions... right now I can't think worth a **** .

Allan

The Gemini Tikune

The Great Communicator - Yellow

Falls Under the Attitude of Gemini

This tikune relates to the need to learn to communicate and listen to people. There may be an unconscious impulse to speak ahead of others or to be so forceful in expressing your ideas that you turn them off. It is very important that you listen to people and understand them. This is what you came here to do. What you may be seeking is to be understood, but people will not understand you if you don't take the time to understand them. Your practice in this lifetime is to become a great communicator. This implies that you will become skilled in listening so that you can become a master communicator.

There are some indications that you have a deep fear of not being understood -- of not being heard. That is probably why you have such an urgent impulse to speak before you think. This impulse could be based on this fear of isolation and feeling disconnected from others. Also you may see and understand things much quicker than most people. This may be why you have little patience for listening to them come to a conclusion that you reached long ago.

It appears that because of this, you will need to observe and become aware of the effect that your speech has on others. Your ideas can be great but not received well by others due to the way in which you try to put them across. Some people may consider you arrogant or insensitive to their own rights to be heard.

The planet which rules the energy of your tikune is Mercury. Mercury is the ruler of all forms of communication. You will need to analyze the relationship of other planets to your Mercury in your chart to find the best path for you to express your life purpose. A skilled astrologer can make this clear for you.

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Yep, this pretty well sums up my learning experiences in this area. It started about 1997, maybe. I've come a long way, but still have a good ways to go. A bit hurdle was jumped when I realized that I could listen to people with opposing opinions to mine without feeling like I had to agree with them and/or do what they said. Much of this came from my mother's total insensitivity to my need to have my own opinion. I had actually gotten so used to listening to others that I felt what I thought got lost along the way. I actually had to let the pendulum swing for awhile in the opposite direction and pretty much not listen to anyone else, as to asking for feedback, etc, just to be able to remember what I really thought. (I hope that made sense.) I'm beginning to balance pretty well in those regards at this time.

But there is much, much more that I need to develop in the category of what you wrote. I still wonder what the placement in the 5th house means. I''ve pretty well known it had to do with communication. (Although I'll have to agree that this site you quoted was the most thorough and well -worded that I've seen.) I just don't know how this fits with 5th house at this time.

Thanks again for ALL the information, Shining Ray! I found it all clarifying. (Even the capitalized "gambling". )

Themis,

Sometimes i have the feeling that we are not at all comfortable with our North Node as long as our South Node is not fully explored. I think we need to get to the bottom of South Node before starting the road to the North Node. I kind of feel that maybe you still need to explore your South Node, 11th---those things that you could even do in sleep, etc...because that's where your Sun can shine. And with time i think you will just get the occasion to start to move to the NN. but things shoud be done natually and you might need to take time.

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Thanks for bringing me back to earth with that one! Yes, after the emotional black cloud moved away a little, I realized that there is more that I need to learn about my South Node. I think the depression comes from this being the ONLY thing I have going in my life right now. My life is not well-rounded. I don't have any close friends anymore, no romantic interest, no hobbies I can pursue, not even my own home, or a place where I can even feel like is my home. And the worst thing about all of this is because IT'S NOT FOR LACK OF TRYING!!! I just keep hitting brick walls that are 10 stories high. Of course, the biggest seems to be the Catch-22 of this horrible illness and no income. It seems like everything is hinging on something breaking there. (Sigh.... My 1st house Mars in Capricorn is feeling VERY frustrated and defeated at this time.) This forum is basically all I have. Don't take me wrong. I love you guys. I'd just like to "get a life", too.

Still trying to get "unstuck".....

Freedomlover

Thanks for replying, AllanBeau, and welcome to the forum!

When I think of the planet that rules the nodes, the key word that runs threw my mind is the phrase "Lunar Nodes". The Moon has a great influence on the nodes, since its based on the Moon's plane of orbit around the Earth that intersects Earth's plane of orbit around the Sun (techically speaking all planets can have nodes... go figure). So on that thought, there's this thing called planets in containment... deals with 3 planets, one at the start, one in the middle and one at the end.... Past, present, and future. A good way to get a better grasp on your nodes is to look for the first planet behind your moon (clockwise Past) and the planet right afterwards (counter-clockwise future).

Opposite signs essentially work with the same basic question from different viewpoints – as if they were two sides of the same coin. Nodes bring out the contradictions and unity in opposite signs, and on a spiritual/ psychological level, they ask for resolution of conflicts into harmony. I tend to give the houses more of a weight, because the houses arn't ruled by planets and signs... they are "Associated" as the nodes arn't physically real, kind of like the number 0.

I tend to favor with the vedics with the nodes, and throw out the orb that makes the conjuction or opposition. If a planet is in the same sign with eather nodes it works like a conjuction, just the closer and in aspect the greater of an influence..but just being in the sign has some effect. The planets that rule over the two signs, their positions and the cusp rulers of the houses nodes in relation to the moon is also something I would consider..

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I'd never heard of the method of using the planets before and after the moon to help discern the nodes. My Moon is at 7* Aquarius in the 1st. The planet immediately behind it is Venus at 22* Capricorn in the 1st. The first planet after the Moon is Saturn at 10* Pisces, in the 2nd. But the first object after the Moon is Pallas at 14* Aquarius in the 2nd. ( Some house systems interpret my Moon in the 2nd. I can sort of see this sometimes, as well.) Anyway, my Moon seems to be surrounded by Saturn.

The planets that rule over the two signs of the Nodes are: Mercury (NN) and Jupiter (SN). In addition my Mercury is retrograde in Sag and my Jupiter is retrograde in Gemini, so mutual reception, although not in opposition. But, Jupiter (r) in Gemini is in the same sign as my North Node, so according to what you wrote, Jupiter would impact the NN.

And lastly, my 5th house (NN) has Taurus on the cusp, so this goes back to Venus at 22* Capricorn again. My 11th house (SN) has Scorpio, so , depending on who you consider the ruler - Mars or Pluto. If Pluto, it is Pluto at 18* Virgo in the 8th. If Mars, we have more Saturn again, because my Mars is at 10* Capricorn in the 1st.

I don't have enough astrological expertise to know exactly how to interpret all of this, but I do have enough common sense to see there is a definite pattern.

I would be very grateful for a way to tie this all together.

Thanks again, AllanBeau!

Hi Freedomlover,

Here is the link for the North Node Descriptions. I also read the Tikune for Aries for my NN in 1st house, although a few people don't believe in doing this, I found the reading very accurate for me. So read the Leo Tikune and see if you can relate it to your NN in 5th.

http://www.skysage.com/docs/purpose.html

Okay I have North Node in Gemini but the 4th. However you have a good aspect with Moon in Aquarius. With the 5th house, it is your creativity, perhaps writing, studying of astrology is also one point. Can have an interest in aviation, travel in general and may teach younger persons at some Your focus is the local environment and everyday communications this time around as opposed to the more impersonal and wider and broader world of the Sagittarius SN. You may have spent a lot of time with groups of a common purpose such as humanitarian or religious concerns. May have been the head priest or monk and travelled and read widely especially in pursuit of higher truths and the universal world.

This time around neighbours can be lovers, met at school or friends first. You may have two children born close together and curious and lively. Someone born around 25th May can have a major influence on your life. 5th house is personal love, procreativity, leisure and pleasure pursuits, the performing arts, speculations and ego expression. In Gemini it means language, print media, short trips, local neighbourhood and everyday communications such as phones, emails, news. Can be issues with siblings and those you are in contact on a regular sort of daily basis. You desire freedom and cutting corners to get things done will not work or give you more time to spare as you thought. YOu will need to focus on one project and issue at a time. You will need to educate yourself and become adept in the art of communication and language. You will need to live in an urban area, such as a city or place of high infrastructure and civlised. You are used to the country life and the open spaces and you will feel the call to this environment. The compromise is to live in the town and visit the country.

Claire

Shining Ray,

Yes, the 5th house, Leo "tikune" was very helpful to me. It was saying to "come from the heart" instead of just the mind, and a few other things. Anyway, it was relative to me. Thanks.

Claire19,

Okay I have North Node in Gemini but the 4th. However you have a good aspect with Moon in Aquarius. With the 5th house, it is your creativity, perhaps writing, studying of astrology is also one point. Can have an interest in aviation, travel in general and may teach younger persons at some Your focus is the local environment and everyday communications this time around as opposed to the more impersonal and wider and broader world of the Sagittarius SN. You may have spent a lot of time with groups of a common purpose such as humanitarian or religious concerns. May have been the head priest or monk and travelled and read widely especially in pursuit of higher truths and the universal world.

This time around neighbours can be lovers, met at school or friends first. You may have two children born close together and curious and lively. Someone born around 25th May can have a major influence on your life. 5th house is personal love, procreativity, leisure and pleasure pursuits, the performing arts, speculations and ego expression. In Gemini it means language, print media, short trips, local neighbourhood and everyday communications such as phones, emails, news. Can be issues with siblings and those you are in contact on a regular sort of daily basis. You desire freedom and cutting corners to get things done will not work or give you more time to spare as you thought. YOu will need to focus on one project and issue at a time. You will need to educate yourself and become adept in the art of communication and language. You will need to live in an urban area, such as a city or place of high infrastructure and civlised. You are used to the country life and the open spaces and you will feel the call to this environment. The compromise is to live in the town and visit the country.

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I'm not sure how you arrived at NN in 4th. The only way I get that is to use my Progressed Chart with an Equal House System. However, this glitch did cause me to take a look at my Progressed chart again with the nodes. All the house systems except Equal place it in the 3rd, conjunct the IC by 3 * - SN in 9th conjunct the MC by 3*. The Progressed placements further emphasizes the Gemini/Sag axis.

I'll have to admit much of what you wrote I had never heard before. I asked for "out of the box" ideas - and some of those are pretty "out of the box". I especially found interesting the part about "someone born around May 25" and the country/city environments. I would be very grateful if you could expound a little on these two for me. They do ring some bells, I'm just wondering how you arrived at these interpretations.

Thanks so much for replying.

Very sorry if I gave impression I thought your NN was in 4th, it is in my 4th Gemini. I took as 5th in your chart. If you look at Martin Schulman's book on Reincarnation and the Nodes you will find some interesting data. I relate very much to what is said there. He also says you may tend to be a shouter in a library or a talker in the movies. NN Gemini people need to learn to live in close contact with neighbours, community in general, townships and cities. Clear and appropriate communications must be learned and to see the other person's point of view. Lovers or children born around 25 May will be influential. Planets conjunct the nodes are very telling. Remember that the SN is where we are coming from and planets conjunct that tell how life was in the past to an extent. I never use more than 3 degree orb and only major aspects. Never use transitting nodes, I dont believe they are valid. I feel the NN is very important in a chart and up there with the Sun and Moon.

Claire

I agree that the NN is sometimes hard to relate to, depending on what aspects we have to assist us. We tend always to go to the SN conditions as they are familiar. Sooner or later they wont work for us and we will be compelled to the polar opposite, NN. It took me a long while to get to grips with mine and I have Uranus in Gemini conjunct in 4th house and was rebellious and at odds especially with my siblings at home and felt like the odd one out and often lonely. Radio was my solace. It was only later on that I channelled the Uranus energy into learning astrology and teaching it at home. I have moved house a lot and never found it a strain. I believe that with Sagittarius in 10th SN that I was a traveller, an adventurer who had no real home base or family responsibilities and was male. This time fate has conspired to put me in a position where I look after my parents at home in my later years and take care of domestic matters which I have avoided by not marrying or having children. Always wanting a sense of freedom and not wanting to conform. 4th house is our later life conditions and our final resting place.

Claire

I never thought of the NN as the people who could influence me in my life. I have NN in Virgo and my partner and child are both Virgo's. My NN Conjuncts Saturn in my 1st house and Saturn is the ruler of my 5th house of children/lovers. So maybe an older person in my life could also become influential to me as well.

Hi Freedom Lover,

I thought I would add my comments from personal experience. I have NN Gem but Mercury Conj SN Sag. Both Merc and Jup are retrograde in the same signs as you. I have 6H SN and 12H NN. Oh and asaturn Pisces. I can relate to your frustrations and experience of knowing it is something to do with knowledge and passing it on but not the hows and wherefores. I have been feeling like limbo for a few years as I sort out where to go. I had a trad church upbringing but have connected to something stronger in myself when I gave myself the freedom to read about loads of religions beliefs ideas etc. I am now switching to an experiential type of learning where I create a space for others to learn through their own direct experiences. My passing knowledge on is not the main point, but because of it I have insight into what is said or done. I think it has to do with the nodes as it is my deep drives as to what I want my life to be about. Oh I thought I would add that Jane Austen, Emily Dickenson, Speilberg, and Beethoven all had merc in sag. They all communicated in special ways. I am learning to trust that this is all going somewhere. Though I would actually prefer the 5NN than my 12NN. Doing art and playing with children would be lots of fun for me!

Sagittarius is the broader communications, foreign places and culture, higher learning and universal truth. Country life. Publishing.

Gemini is the everyday communications, local environment, basic learning. Urban life. Printing.

Mercury in Sagittarius would combine the two, say in publishing a book that you have written.

I guess the trick is to combine the SN and the NN in way that is satisfying for your path this time around, incorporating the familiar with the new. THis way we grow and are not stuck in comfortable familiar situations that we have already mastered. "Been there and done that." of the SN situation.


Claire