Help find Mom's missing wedding ring? [Still Searching!]
Question Details:
Asked 11/16/19 (Saturday, November 16th 2019) at 8:25PM
Irvine, CA (US)
Saturn Day
Jupiter Hour
Part of Possessions (ASC+2nd cusp-2nd ruler) 6*14' Aries
My mother(Victoria) asked "Where is my wedding ring?"
I received the question and drew the chart on 11/16/19 at 8:25pm
She is signified by 1st House Cancer with Moon inside
Her ring is signified by the 2nd House ruler Sun
As the astrologer of whom the question was asked, I am signified by 7th House Aquarius & ruler Saturn
To be clear- this is not a derived question. The question was asked by a woman named Victoria regarding her personal possession: her wedding ring. Victoria is my mother, however this detail is irrelevant to the chart because I did not ask this question. I received this question (as the astrologer, represented by the 7th house) at 8:25pm on 11/19/2019. I drew the chart and proceeded to delineate it as best I could.
Thank you guys~
Hi guys,
I did my best to delineate the chart on my own but hit a bit of a dead end- we didn't find the ring in the places I thought to look. I promised her I'd post online seeking help from people with more experience than myself. Chart is attached.
I prefaced the entire situation by letting her know that this is a very complicated study and there's no guarantee that I'd be able to read the chart correctly or find the item at all.
I also noted that Saturn was conjunct and ruling the 7th house cusp. I wasn't sure if a Saturn in domicile would equate with an affliction of the 7th cusp, but I sure have had trouble with this chart. Note, that if the 7th is to describe the astrologer this may be describing me-- I am an Aquarius sun person (and moon, venus, and mars).
Quick points-
I believe from the chart that the item is recoverable
I believe based on the chart that the item is still in the home (or 'outside' but very near, such as the attached garage)
IMPORTANT: Theft is a possibility; if this is so, I believe that an incomplete attempt at theft may be indicated (I see no indications of sale and there are several indications of the item being at home and recoverable)
Based on the possibility of an incomplete attempt, I believe the item may be well-hidden/stashed in a hiding place (thus 2nd ruler Scorpio)
If theft occurred, it is believed to have been a temporary tenant which would have been responsible. We did not experience a break-in and we own large, protective dogs who have free run of the back and side yards and the house-- a stranger would not have been able to sneak through the yard or house without a potentially lethal struggle.
**VERY IMPORTANT: My mother is divorced; she was not regularly wearing the ring when it was lost. It was sitting on its ring holder in her bathroom/vanity area. My mother is not sure exactly when the ring disappeared, my grandmother claims to have seen it in the ring holder shortly before they noticed it was missing. After noticing the wedding ring had gone, my grandmother checked and realized that some of her jewelry appeared to be missing as well. This is what prompted the idea of theft.
Radical Chart- I believe so
It has been pointed out that there is no agreement between the hour ruler and the Ascendant, however the hour ruler is the exaltation of the Ascendant (Jupiter, Cancer). I have read that this confirms a radical chart.
Further, the Ascendant physically describes my Mother (sign of Cancer=Mothers) who is also a Cancer Ascendant woman.
For reference:
John Gadbury, When a figure is radical and fit to be judged: "1. When the Sign Ascending, and Planet in the Ascendant, &c. shall describe
the person of the Querent exactly, you may conclude that figure Radical, and
the Question propounded fit to be judged. "
Void of Course Moon? No
The Moon applies a trine to both Fortuna and the 2nd house Ruler. She will also square Mars (dispositor of 2nd ruler, Fortuna, owner of the 4th house end of matter for a 2nd house question) just before entering Leo.
I believe the square describes a great deal of trouble in finding the item and bringing the matter to a close and may describe the physical obstacles to finding the item. (If it is in the garage, that will be quite an undertaking to go through all items and boxes etc... to find something so small as a ring which may have been purposefully hidden away) The uninhibited trines from a domiciled Moon to 2nd ruler conjunct Fortuna from the Querent's angle seem to amply suggest that recovery will occur.
When was it lost?
The ring was lost a few years ago; I cannot remember exactly when and neither can she. I would say around 5 or 6 years.
I have considered the outgoing 7 degeree trine with retrograde Mercury to indicate the situation creating loss or a potential thief, however, Mercury is not in aspect to the 2nd lord or Fortuna. It is mutually applying to a square of the 2nd cusp. It rules the negligible 3rd and the 12th of loss..this seems to just confirm the actual loss of the item rather than the presence of a thief (unless the thief was a neighbor, but we did not experience a break-in and we have protective, large dogs). My mother's siblings are out of the question also, not just for reasons of character- my aunt rarely visits the house and does not have a spare key, my uncle lives far away on the border of the next state.
Describe the ring-
The ring was gold with three large diamonds, the center stone being the largest. It was very highly appraised/valued, quite probably the most valuable item my mother owns/ed, given that she leases her vehicle. The Sun is an apt descriptor.
Where I've thought to look-
1. My mom's closet, including in clothes/pockets (Mom's room is N/E part of the house, closet is on N/E wall in the restroom/the fireplace is on the other side of the wall that forms the back of the closet)
2. My mom's bathroom storage (She had already searched through here many times)
3. The water heater (in the N/E corner of the garage)
4. The loft in the garage (a bunch of my mother and grandmothers things, mirrors, paintings) or low on the ground/in a dark corner of the garage. (The state of the garage does fit with Scorpionic symbolism, regrettably lol)
5. The furnace (in a small closet in the hallway), the fire place
6. My mother shares her room with my sister (her child), so I had considered this room due to 5th house implications and the fact that this is where the item was normally kept. My brother's room and my room are upstairs and do not appear to be indicated; as we are adults, my mother does not go in these rooms. (Note, the youngest 'child' is 21 years old)
Places I've thoroughly searched:
Several cabinets and drawers in my mother's restroom/vanity area
The upper cabinets of the kitchen, also lower cabinets and where the trash is kept, under the sink
The linen closet in the hall
The water heater area in the garage (this could use a second look if the garage was cleaned)
The furnace closet in the hall
A pantry/storage room in the hall/under the staircase
The family room/den, including the drawers and cabinets of an entertainment bay where all tv/entertainment equipment for the family room is housed & also includes much office supplies ie; pens, papers, binders, scissors, staplers, etc...
Two filing cabinets which housed old bills
The drawers of a small table in the entrance hall/foyer area
I have searched many, many other places and will add them as I recall all of them
Any ideas for other places to look? Any big, flashing lights you see that I missed? Errors in any of my interpretations which you can spot?
All help is appreciated, thank you in advance for your time!
Question Details:
Asked 11/16/19 (Saturday, November 16th 2019) at 8:25PM
Irvine, CA (US)
Saturn Day
Jupiter Hour
Part of Possessions (ASC+2nd cusp-2nd ruler) 6*14' Aries
My mother(Victoria) asked "Where is my wedding ring?"
I received the question and drew the chart on 11/16/19 at 8:25pm
She is signified by 1st House Cancer with Moon inside
Her ring is signified by the 2nd House ruler Sun
As the astrologer of whom the question was asked, I am signified by 7th House Aquarius & ruler Saturn
To be clear- this is not a derived question. The question was asked by a woman named Victoria regarding her personal possession: her wedding ring. Victoria is my mother, however this detail is irrelevant to the chart because I did not ask this question. I received this question (as the astrologer, represented by the 7th house) at 8:25pm on 11/19/2019. I drew the chart and proceeded to delineate it as best I could.
Thank you guys~
Hi guys,
I did my best to delineate the chart on my own but hit a bit of a dead end- we didn't find the ring in the places I thought to look. I promised her I'd post online seeking help from people with more experience than myself. Chart is attached.
I prefaced the entire situation by letting her know that this is a very complicated study and there's no guarantee that I'd be able to read the chart correctly or find the item at all.
I also noted that Saturn was conjunct and ruling the 7th house cusp. I wasn't sure if a Saturn in domicile would equate with an affliction of the 7th cusp, but I sure have had trouble with this chart. Note, that if the 7th is to describe the astrologer this may be describing me-- I am an Aquarius sun person (and moon, venus, and mars).
Quick points-
I believe from the chart that the item is recoverable
I believe based on the chart that the item is still in the home (or 'outside' but very near, such as the attached garage)
IMPORTANT: Theft is a possibility; if this is so, I believe that an incomplete attempt at theft may be indicated (I see no indications of sale and there are several indications of the item being at home and recoverable)
Based on the possibility of an incomplete attempt, I believe the item may be well-hidden/stashed in a hiding place (thus 2nd ruler Scorpio)
If theft occurred, it is believed to have been a temporary tenant which would have been responsible. We did not experience a break-in and we own large, protective dogs who have free run of the back and side yards and the house-- a stranger would not have been able to sneak through the yard or house without a potentially lethal struggle.
**VERY IMPORTANT: My mother is divorced; she was not regularly wearing the ring when it was lost. It was sitting on its ring holder in her bathroom/vanity area. My mother is not sure exactly when the ring disappeared, my grandmother claims to have seen it in the ring holder shortly before they noticed it was missing. After noticing the wedding ring had gone, my grandmother checked and realized that some of her jewelry appeared to be missing as well. This is what prompted the idea of theft.
Radical Chart- I believe so
It has been pointed out that there is no agreement between the hour ruler and the Ascendant, however the hour ruler is the exaltation of the Ascendant (Jupiter, Cancer). I have read that this confirms a radical chart.
Further, the Ascendant physically describes my Mother (sign of Cancer=Mothers) who is also a Cancer Ascendant woman.
For reference:
John Gadbury, When a figure is radical and fit to be judged: "1. When the Sign Ascending, and Planet in the Ascendant, &c. shall describe
the person of the Querent exactly, you may conclude that figure Radical, and
the Question propounded fit to be judged. "
Void of Course Moon? No
The Moon applies a trine to both Fortuna and the 2nd house Ruler. She will also square Mars (dispositor of 2nd ruler, Fortuna, owner of the 4th house end of matter for a 2nd house question) just before entering Leo.
I believe the square describes a great deal of trouble in finding the item and bringing the matter to a close and may describe the physical obstacles to finding the item. (If it is in the garage, that will be quite an undertaking to go through all items and boxes etc... to find something so small as a ring which may have been purposefully hidden away) The uninhibited trines from a domiciled Moon to 2nd ruler conjunct Fortuna from the Querent's angle seem to amply suggest that recovery will occur.
When was it lost?
The ring was lost a few years ago; I cannot remember exactly when and neither can she. I would say around 5 or 6 years.
I have considered the outgoing 7 degeree trine with retrograde Mercury to indicate the situation creating loss or a potential thief, however, Mercury is not in aspect to the 2nd lord or Fortuna. It is mutually applying to a square of the 2nd cusp. It rules the negligible 3rd and the 12th of loss..this seems to just confirm the actual loss of the item rather than the presence of a thief (unless the thief was a neighbor, but we did not experience a break-in and we have protective, large dogs). My mother's siblings are out of the question also, not just for reasons of character- my aunt rarely visits the house and does not have a spare key, my uncle lives far away on the border of the next state.
Describe the ring-
The ring was gold with three large diamonds, the center stone being the largest. It was very highly appraised/valued, quite probably the most valuable item my mother owns/ed, given that she leases her vehicle. The Sun is an apt descriptor.
Where I've thought to look-
1. My mom's closet, including in clothes/pockets (Mom's room is N/E part of the house, closet is on N/E wall in the restroom/the fireplace is on the other side of the wall that forms the back of the closet)
2. My mom's bathroom storage (She had already searched through here many times)
3. The water heater (in the N/E corner of the garage)
4. The loft in the garage (a bunch of my mother and grandmothers things, mirrors, paintings) or low on the ground/in a dark corner of the garage. (The state of the garage does fit with Scorpionic symbolism, regrettably lol)
5. The furnace (in a small closet in the hallway), the fire place
6. My mother shares her room with my sister (her child), so I had considered this room due to 5th house implications and the fact that this is where the item was normally kept. My brother's room and my room are upstairs and do not appear to be indicated; as we are adults, my mother does not go in these rooms. (Note, the youngest 'child' is 21 years old)
Places I've thoroughly searched:
Several cabinets and drawers in my mother's restroom/vanity area
The upper cabinets of the kitchen, also lower cabinets and where the trash is kept, under the sink
The linen closet in the hall
The water heater area in the garage (this could use a second look if the garage was cleaned)
The furnace closet in the hall
A pantry/storage room in the hall/under the staircase
The family room/den, including the drawers and cabinets of an entertainment bay where all tv/entertainment equipment for the family room is housed & also includes much office supplies ie; pens, papers, binders, scissors, staplers, etc...
Two filing cabinets which housed old bills
The drawers of a small table in the entrance hall/foyer area
I have searched many, many other places and will add them as I recall all of them
Any ideas for other places to look? Any big, flashing lights you see that I missed? Errors in any of my interpretations which you can spot?
All help is appreciated, thank you in advance for your time!
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