david starling
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How many theologians can dance on the head of a pin?
Yes, I am ok with anyone wishing a destruction of someone, provided there is justification for it.
The Jews murdered Christ by the hands of lawless men. Hitler murdered 6 millions Jews solely by the hands of others too.
I am not familiar with the case of Henry VIII, but most Christians can't keep the letter of the Law. I was asking for a biblical contradiction.
The Romans murdered him. The Pharisees who asked them to weren't even the ruling Party of Judea, just one of several competing sects. Plus, it was all part of God's plan, so God caused it to happen. Was God obeying the Pharisees?
The "Jews", as you prefer to call the Judeans, weren't ALL Pharisee-supporters. Saying "the Jews murdered Christ" is like saying "THE Christians tortured and murdered people during the Inquisition". It's called "painting with too broad a brush".
The Sanhedrin couldn't execute anyone during the Roman occupation in a biblical trial. This is a well established historical fact and is also recorded in the Gospels - John 18:31. The Pharisees made it impossible to convict a murderer or an adulterer* by insisting on near impossible amount of evidence, only in order to be able to turn the criminal to the Romans, because the latter forbade it. It was the Jews who turned Jesus to the Romans though, which is why Peter in Acts 2 preached ''Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs that God did through him in your midst, as you yourselves know — this Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men. God raised him up, loosing the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held by it.''
It is a collective sin that was shared by the nation so that Jerusalem with the Temple was destroyed in 40 days as Jonah prophesied, yes individually some share a greater guilt, for example Caiaphas, Judas and the crowd that shouted for crucifixion compared to Mary the mother of Jesus, Joseph of Arimathea and the disciples of Jesus.
We talked about this in the Random Thoughts thread a couple weeks ago, remember - https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=124143&page=414 ?
Was it part of God's plan or not? If so, then God made it happen, not "the Jews".
God predestined it to happen through someone, the Jews entered the plan by their own free will. - Matthew 27:25
Should "they" have refused to go along with their God's plan? Disobeyed God?
God doesn't harden hearts, blind eyes or give people to Satan as some may think, that is - without reference to their previous choices.
Didn't God harden Pharoah's heart?
Actually, you deflected: If it was God's preordained Plan, then it was God, and God alone, who made it happen.
Read my comment and think a bit harder, I can't help more than that.
It's a no-brainer. Unless....wait, isn't God both Omniscient AND Omnipotent?
He is omniscient, omnipotent and perfect in wisdom, reason, justice, mercy and all good qualities one can think of. That is why we can be sure that he predestines events according to his perfect qualities and foreknowledge, including Isaiah 53:10.
Hypatia was the daughter of Theon of Alexandria, himself a mathematician and astronomer and the last attested member of the Alexandrian Museum (see Researcher’s Note: Hypatia’s birth date). Theon is best remembered for the part he played in the preservation of Euclid’s Elements, but he also wrote extensively, commenting on Ptolemy’s Almagest and Handy Tables. Hypatia continued his program, which was essentially a determined effort to preserve the Greek mathematical and astronomical heritage in extremely difficult times. She is credited with commentaries on Apollonius of Perga’s Conics (geometry) and Diophantus of Alexandria’s Arithmetic (number theory), as well as an astronomical table (possibly a revised version of Book III of her father’s commentary on the Almagest)
So, God predestined the murder of Christ. And, Christ rose from the dead and shook it off. No real harm done!
Who was Hypatia, and why did the Christians at the time in charge of the local community of Christians, torture her and brutally murder her?