Trump Lost! *No memes*

david starling

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Re: Trump Lost!

Democrats 2016: OMG!! RUSSIA INTERVENED IN OUR ELECTION! FRAUD! FRAUD!

Democrats 2020: OMG!! ELECTIONS ARE SAFE AND FAIR SHUT UP! NO FRAUD!


Republicans 2016: HOORAY! TRUMP WON in a SAFE AND FAIR ELECTION!

Republicans 2020: OMG, TRUMP LOST??? NO WAY!!! The WHOLE SYSTEM MUST HAVE BEEN RIGGED AGAINST HIM!!!
 

Cary2

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Cary, aren't voters allowed to "vote their hate", or dislike of personality, style, and/or (to me, most importantly), policies?

I was joking that a vote for Biden t-shirt should have had his picture with the caption: Vote For Me Because I'm NOT Trump!

This was definitely an anti-Trump movement by Democrats. Biden was just an "okay", moderate Democratic candidate with the best chance to possibly win a close race in the battleground States. The Democrats put a LOT of effort into convincing registered Democrats to vote nationwide, despite Biden being a relatively unappealing candidate. And, Party loyalty was high in both major Parties. For that reason, there was a huge turnout in terms of number of votes cast.

Since there are about 7 million more registered Democrats than Republicans, and the independent voters were about half leaning towards one Party or the other, I correctly predicted way back, that Trump would lose the national Popular Vote by 6+ million votes on that basis alone.


As you say, there was no Blue Wave, but there WAS a not-Trump-again wave. And, there was an attractive Libertarian Party candidate. Those account for the relatively close Biden victories in Arizona, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.

About two-thirds of the votes for the Libertarian were votes that would have gone to Trump if she hadn't been on the ballots, and that alone would have enabled him to win the Electoral College.

You may recall that Ralph Nader was blamed for taking Democratic votes away from Al Gore in the EXTREMELY close and Election-deciding race in Florida in 2000; and, the strong Green Party candidate Jill Stein was blamed for taking away badly needed votes from Hillary in 2016. So, "spoilers", as third-party candidates are often described, are nothing new.

Since nearly the entire focus this Election was on the Presidency, there was much less Democratic concentration on the House and Senate races, and no spoilers there, which accounts for the wins for Republicans in that area. Many Democrats voted ONLY as part of the not-Trump movement, and didn't even bother to vote for their House and Senate candidates.

Bottom line, I see no need to blame our entire voting system, the same system that enabled Trump to become President in 2016, for his loss in 2020. It all makes perfect sense without that.

Btw, one issue he REALLY blew it on, was his perceived indifference towards the 200,000+ Covid-19 fatalities, and his cavalier attitude towards things as elementary as masking and social distancing. Those cut across party lines, and alienated a lot of independents who might have voted for him otherwise.

You are trying to sound unruffled about the Democrats big loss in Congress, but I assure you the Democrats are very ruffled. Various representatives demanded that the radical Left stop all talk of socialism, Green New Deal, high taxation, and such dung as that. Most of the Democrats are convinced that the vote in two years will be worse for the Democrats, and they know it is the radicals and the criminals that have turned the tide against them.

You say you believe the vote process and you pretend to be nonplussed about the Democrat's defeat, but most people are immune to the song and dance from sufferers of Trump Derangement Syndrome.

There are millions of hysterical people who blame Trump for Covid, but there are more people who recognize how insane the lock-downs are, how deadly will be the financial depression of lock-down, and who see that Trump promised a vaccine before the end of the year which the Democrats poo-pooed and demonized as an utterance from Trump. They see what Democratic leadership has done to trash the Blue States, how self-important Democrats seized their chance to rule with an iron fist while the Democratic Ruling Class flouted their own rules believing they would not be caught. It will not be forgotten.
 
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blackbery

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Re: Trump Lost!

NO WAY Trump lost when he got 11 Million MORE votes than 2016.

NO WAY Trump lost when he Won Record 16 Bellwether Counties.

NO WAY Trump lost when he won both OH & FL & NO Presidential candidate has won the election without winning at least one of them, particularly Florida.

NO WAY Trump lost when he got higher minority vote in 2020 than 2016.

NO WAY Trump lost when the fake news media want us to beieve that Beijing Biden got more black votes than Obama!!!

NO WAY Trump lost when he had thousands & thousands attend his rallies while Biden couldn't get more than 10 people to stand in his circles.

NO WAY Trump lost. Period. He won in a landslide when you count all legal ballots & discard illegal ballots.







Republicans 2016: HOORAY! TRUMP WON in a SAFE AND FAIR ELECTION!

Republicans 2020: OMG, TRUMP LOST??? NO WAY!!! The WHOLE SYSTEM MUST HAVE BEEN RIGGED AGAINST HIM!!!
 

blackbery

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Re: Trump Lost!

Well said Cary2.

Nancy Pelosi faces Democratic ouster calls over lackluster 2020 results

https://youtu.be/3HNiB8maO1Q


Democrats turn on Nancy Pelosi for big loss in Congress


Democrats Lament No 'Blue Wave' In General Election: 'Not A Lot Has Changed'


'There Was No Blue Wave, But a Big Red Wave'



How Republicans pulled off a big upset and nearly took back the House








You are trying to sound unruffled about the Democrats big loss in Congress, but I assure you the Democrats are very ruffled. Various representatives demanded that the radical Left stop all talk of socialism, Green New Deal, high taxation, and such dung as that. Most of the Democrats are convinced that the vote in two years will be worse for the Democrats, and they know it is the radicals and the criminals that have turned the tide against them.

You say you believe the vote process and you pretend to be nonplussed about the Democrat's defeat, but most people are immune to the song and dance from sufferers of Trump Delusion Syndrome.

There are millions of hysterical people who blame Trump for Covid, but there are more people who recognize how insane the lock-downs are, how deadly will be the financial depression of lock-down, and who see that Trump promised a vaccine before the end of the year which the Democrats poo-pooed and demonized as an utterance from Trump. They see what Democratic leadership has done to trash the Blue States, how self-important Democrats seized their chance to rule with an iron fist while the Democratic Ruling Class flouted their own rules believing they would not be caught. It will not be forgotten.
 

david starling

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Re: Trump Lost!

I'm basically a moderate Greenie. Generally speaking, the Dems are better on the Environment, including clean air and water, and protecting the Wilderness areas. But there some Repubs who are good on that as well. So, there will be crossover votes in both the House and Senate on those issues.

Trump's been acting like the Pandemic is over! Have you SEEN the infections and rising fatality numbers lately? The guy's out of his mind!
 

Cary2

Banned
Re: Trump Lost!

When they catch the crooked Democrats, it will be treason. That's what it is when an American subverts an election, and we are talking about a bunch of people and their captains and their financiers. This was executed on a large scale and planned on a large scale, and after the first pencil-neck squawks to save his neck, we'll have them.
 

Dirius

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Re: Trump Lost!

I'm basically a moderate Greenie. Generally speaking, the Dems are better on the Environment, including clean air and water, and protecting the Wilderness areas. But there some Repubs who are good on that as well. So, there will be crossover votes in both the House and Senate on those issues.

Trump's been acting like the Pandemic is over! Have you SEEN the infections and rising fatality numbers lately? The guy's out of his mind!


Burdening the tax-payer with more taxes does not solve any enviromental problems. It just puts more money into the pockets of politicians. It just makes it more expensive for regular people to feed themselves.
 

david starling

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Re: Trump Lost!

More ballots were cast, so there were more national Votes for Trump than in 2016, but Biden still beat him by over 6 million national Votes.
 

david starling

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Re: Trump Lost!

Burdening the tax-payer with more taxes does not solve any enviromental problems. It just puts more money into the pockets of politicians. It just makes it more expensive for regular people to feed themselves.

Have to leave now. I'll talk about this later.
 

Cary2

Banned
Re: Trump Lost!

More ballots were cast, so there were more national Votes for Trump than in 2016, but Biden still beat him by over 6 million national Votes.

Fictitious votes. Smelly votes out of thin air like the attendees of his rallies. I don't think people who are not enthusiastic to attend a Biden rally are enthusiastic enough to vote. There are a lot of Democrats, but they don't like to vote. Someone might accuse them patriotism, or Americanism, or constructiveness. They heard about the Hunter Biden laptop, and they lost all will to cast a ballot, even a mail-in ballot. They hate their country. They hate the politicians. They don't trust the Democrats either. Why bother? They have some pot to smoke, and that disinclines a progressive to vote. Sluggish and distracted. Slogan: "Pass it over to me".
 

CapAquaPis

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Have to leave now. I'll talk about this later.

WB Dirius, it looks like David needs a break now...who knows, I need one too.

Trump plans a special presidential address sometime this week to tell the nation either he will concede...or it's about the new COVID vaccine about to get distributed this month, the final one in this bad year (Happy Holidays though).
 

blackbery

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Re: Trump Lost!

He's not into fear-mongering, lockdowns & destroying people's lives. And if lockdowns are so succesfsul why do they have 2 or even 3 lockdowns?:andy:

Not sure if you are aware but there are major protests in Europe over the lockdowns which destroy lives.

The mortality rate is dropping more & more, that's why he's not panicked like you David. He deals with the numbers. He doesn't want more people dying from suicide which is what happens when you shut people in & prevent them from earning a living or having any human contact.

Healthcare workers are now seeing unprecedented increases in COVID-19 diagnoses and hospitalizations -- but there hasn't been a congruent rise in mortality rates even as case counts set records.

In fact, the COVID-19 mortality rate in the U.S. has fallen since the start of the pandemic.

That decline has no single, clear explanation, but experts have pointed to a host of contributing factors, including a higher proportion of cases among the young, increased knowledge of how to treat COVID patients, better therapies, and less overcrowding in hospitals.


https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/89750

Here's Why COVID-19 Mortality Has Dropped
— There's no single answer, but a host of contributing factors
by Amanda D'Ambrosio, Staff Writer, MedPage Today November 17, 2020


Trump's been acting like the Pandemic is over! Have you SEEN the infections and rising fatality numbers lately? The guy's out of his mind!
 

CapAquaPis

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Re: Trump Lost!

CA is in the bottom 8 states in infection rates along with AK, HI, OR, WA state, WV, VT, ME and NH. And there are 10 out of 58 CA counties not in purple or widespread (one of them is a major city, San Francisco). It's really bad in most of the country (the worst in the world) and state (less severe than 4 other most populous states TX, FL, NY with NYC and IL). I can't say for sure how unlucky (or safe) I am, other than I'm a grocery store clerk dodging COVID for a year. We had 4 cases in 9 months out of 100 store associates, 3 of 4 are in night crew and I was never in contact with any of them according to my manager.
 

blackbery

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Re: Trump Lost!

Trump will NEVER concede, he will wait for the legal & election process to play out. He's entitled to legal arguments as to why the swing states in the 2020 election show such massive election 'irregularities & illegalities'. They are having election integrity hearings to show the state legislators the evidence they have.

The U.S.A. is a country of laws. There is no higher law than the Constitution.



WB Dirius, it looks like David needs a break now...who knows, I need one too.

Trump plans a special presidential address sometime this week to tell the nation either he will concede...or it's about the new COVID vaccine about to get distributed this month, the final one in this bad year (Happy Holidays though).
 

blackbery

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Re: Trump Lost!

p.s.

NO other Presidential candidate has won more seats in Congress & then gone on to lose, it just doesn't happen that way. President Trump GAINED MANY more Republican seats & kept Senate Majority & WON the election. Period.

Thank you Cary2 for your thoughtful, intelligent, logical posts. With the Trump Haters, they are incapable of rational thought due to their rage & anger against the President.

Once all the dust settles, the legal fights completed, Trump will be declared the winner & be re-elected with V.P. Pence. Justice in the end wins out.:smile::smile::smile:





Fictitious votes. Smelly votes out of thin air like the attendees of his rallies. I don't think people who are not enthusiastic to attend a Biden rally are enthusiastic enough to vote. There are a lot of Democrats, but they don't like to vote. Someone might accuse them patriotism, or Americanism, or constructiveness. They heard about the Hunter Biden laptop, and they lost all will to cast a ballot, even a mail-in ballot. They hate their country. They hate the politicians. They don't trust the Democrats either. Why bother? They have some pot to smoke, and that disinclines a progressive to vote. Sluggish and distracted. Slogan: "Pass it over to me".
 

tikana

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Re: Trump Lost!

p.s.

NO other Presidential candidate has won more seats in Congress & then gone on to lose, it just doesn't happen that way. President Trump GAINED MANY more Republican seats & kept Senate Majority & WON the election. Period.

Thank you Cary2 for your thoughtful, intelligent, logical posts. With the Trump Haters, they are incapable of rational thought due to their rage & anger against the President.

Once all the dust settles, the legal fights completed, Trump will be declared the winner & be re-elected with V.P. Pence. Justice in the end wins out.:smile::smile::smile:

we need checks and balances

President/VP - dem
congress - rep
HofR - dem

imagine all 3 being democratic in 2020 era- no way
We actually had that I think under JFK / Lyndon administration but this is not the 60s.
 

blackbery

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Re: Trump Lost!

I agree, Trump won the Presidency again.
Dems won the House again
GOP won Senate Majority again.


SAME result as 2016 except the Republicans did not lose one seat in Congress but GAINED at least 9 more.

That's because Americans are deeply PATRIOTIC & voted overwhelmingly for Trump & democracy & law & order.

They rejected socialism & the far-left agenda.


we need checks and balances

President/VP - dem
congress - rep
HofR - dem

imagine all 3 being democratic in 2020 era- no way
We actually had that I think under JFK / Lyndon administration but this is not the 60s.
 

blackbery

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Re: Trump Lost!

AND we MUST respect EVERY individual vote by eliminating the illegal/fraudulent votes & only counting LEGAL VOTES.

Otherwise, we're just another Banana Republic.

Truth MATTERS. That's why the Founding Fathers fought so hard to get the Constitution.:happy:

The Trump Haters want him removed because he's the 'bad orange man'.
They can hate him all they want, what they don't get to do is ignore election fraud.

Constitution is about the LAW.







we need checks and balances

President/VP - dem
congress - rep
HofR - dem

imagine all 3 being democratic in 2020 era- no way
We actually had that I think under JFK / Lyndon administration but this is not the 60s.
 

tikana

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Re: Trump Lost!

I agree, Trump won the Presidency again.
Dems won the House again
GOP won Senate Majority again.


SAME result as 2016 except the Republicans did not lose one seat in Congress but GAINED at least 9 more.

That's because Americans are deeply PATRIOTIC & voted overwhelmingly for Trump & democracy & law & order.

They rejected socialism & the far-left agenda.

yeaaah good luck with that theory Trump won elections.

every case has been pretty much thrown out out of the court room.
2 more weeks we will find out.
 

Osamenor

Staff member
Re: Trump Lost!

And there are 10 out of 58 CA counties not in purple or widespread (one of them is a major city, San Francisco).

San Francisco is back in the purple tier now. As of two days ago, there are only 7 counties in California that aren't. This week, every county that wasn't already in the purple tier has slipped back at least one level, and none have improved. :sad:

Not directly related to the election, of course, but it can't be a coincidence that the states with the best records on Covid so far are all states that haven't supported Trump.
 
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