The SIGNS of the ASTROLOGICAL TROPICAL ZODIAC
I just discovered that I have different Ascendants :
Capricorn in Western Astrology
Sagittarius in Vedic Astrology
How is it possible?
Anyway, I identify myself with the Western Astrology Ascendant.
We have a VEDIC boardBunraku and Jupiterasc, thank you very much for your answers.
I can see that there are differences between the two astrologies.
I really don't know should I trust more in Western or in Vedic Astrology?
I always worked with western and I identify myself with this astrology ( I refer at birth chart and predictions ).
Yesterday I received an interpretation of my chart in Vedic Astrology and almost nothing describe me...any element...
And I discovered different interpretations of transits for the next months. Different from the western astrology.
I can say that it was the chart of another person..not mine.
We have a VEDIC board
you may be interested to post your natal chart there
for discussion of the unfamiliar VEDIC analysis
My experience has been that western and vedic charts give the same description of the native even though planets and points may be in different degrees and signs. So I think you can trust them both but unusually one needs to choose one or the other in which to seek proficiency, since each body of thought is so extensive.Bunraku and Jupiterasc, thank you very much for your answers.
I can see that there are differences between the two astrologies.
I really don't know should I trust more in Western or in Vedic Astrology?
I always worked with western and I identify myself with this astrology ( I refer at birth chart and predictions ).
Yesterday I received an interpretation of my chart in Vedic Astrology and almost nothing describe me...any element...
And I discovered different interpretations of transits for the next months. Different from the western astrology.
I can say that it was the chart of another person..not mine.
A Capricorn Ascendant in Western Astrology is the same as a Sagittarius Ascendant in Vedic Astrology; they just have different names.
My experience has been that western and vedic charts give the same description of the native even though planets and points may be in different degrees and signs. So I think you can trust them both but unusually one needs to choose one or the other in which to seek proficiency, since each body of thought is so extensive.
Have yourself s reading from an experienced vedic (or western practitioner) and you be the judge. I think you will be amazed.
Wishing you the best.
Really?
Ok. Thanks a lot.
Thanks. I guess that the problem in astrology is that the astrologer has experience.
Until now, I talked with many astrologers. Anyway, I find more answers to my questions in Western astrology. Normally the western predictions were accurate. Not always in the predicted date, but a little later.
In vedic. ..nothing. Any clear thing. No clear prediction. ..absolutely nothing.
Probably the astrologer has not many experience. I don't know. In my country is known being the "best" in vedic astrology.
So I looked at my sidereal chart, using whole signs and Hindu/Lahiri sidereal calculation for the most authenticity, and it’s quite a massive difference. My Venus is now debilitated, and my Sun is now exalted in the 9th house. My Moon stays the same sign though (Scorpio), but now it’s at the beginning degrees which shifts the dignities around. I’m now completely Martian and fiery rather than Venusian and earthly.
So can anyone here clarify how Taurus in tropical can yield the same description as Aries in the sidereal zodiac in Indian astrology ?
There is a difference in what the signs mean (per Lilly):
“..for some Signs in nature are Fiery, Hot and Dry, viz. Aries, Leo, Sagittarius...Others are Dry, Cold, and Earthly, viz. Taurus, Virgo, Capricorn...” 87
“Dome Signs are Masculine, Diurnal, and therefore Hot, as Aries... Leo...Some are Feminine, Nocturnal, therefore Cold, Viz. Taurus...Scorpio...” 88
Or, in the sidereal zodiac, does Taurus changes elements too???
I can’t really see Taurus being a moveable, hot and dry, choleric, diurnal, masculine, firey, etc. etc. sign.
Someone PLEASE clarify.
Edit:
Since this is the trad section:
"For discussions on Traditional Astrology only. (Note: Typically, traditional astrology is defined as using techniques developed prior to 1700 by astrologers from the Hellenistic, Persian, Hebrew, and Renaissance eras. Specifically it relies on Ptolemaic aspects (sextile, trine, square, opposition and conjunction) and excludes modern planets (Neptune, Uranus and Pluto,) non-Ptolemaic aspects, as well as any asteroids.”
I thought I might as well apply western trad thought to the “similarities.” But if the similarities are not applicable then please correct me. Ty.
Sidereal Astrology has a different methodologySo I looked at my sidereal chart,
using whole signs and Hindu/Lahiri sidereal calculation for the most authenticity,
and it’s quite a massive difference.
My Venus is now debilitated, and my Sun is now exalted in the 9th house.
My Moon stays the same sign though (Scorpio),
but now it’s at the beginning degrees which shifts the dignities around.
I’m now completely Martian and fiery rather than Venusian and earthly.
So can anyone here clarify how Taurus in tropical can yield the same description as Aries in the sidereal zodiac in Indian astrology ?
There is a difference in what the signs mean (per Lilly):
“..for some Signs in nature are Fiery, Hot and Dry, viz. Aries, Leo, Sagittarius...Others are Dry, Cold, and Earthly, viz. Taurus, Virgo, Capricorn...” 87
“Dome Signs are Masculine, Diurnal, and therefore Hot, as Aries... Leo...Some are Feminine, Nocturnal, therefore Cold, Viz. Taurus...Scorpio...” 88
Or, in the sidereal zodiac, does Taurus changes elements too???
I can’t really see Taurus being a moveable, hot and dry, choleric, diurnal, masculine, firey, etc. etc. sign.
Someone PLEASE clarify.
Edit:
Since this is the trad section:
"For discussions on Traditional Astrology only.
(Note: Typically, traditional astrology is defined as using techniques developed prior to 1700 by astrologers from the Hellenistic
, Persian, Hebrew, and Renaissance eras.
Specifically it relies on Ptolemaic aspects (sextile, trine, square, opposition and conjunction)
and excludes modern planets (Neptune, Uranus and Pluto,)
non-Ptolemaic aspects, as well as any asteroids.”
I thought I might as well apply western trad thought to the “similarities.” But if the similarities are not applicable then please correct me. Ty.
Sidereal Astrology has a different methodology
I recommend Sidereal expert Therese Hamilton http://www.snowcrest.net/sunrise/LostZodiac.htm
also another good read
Do Tropical Traits Reflect Underlying Sidereal Signs? http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8258
SOLUNARS - FOR THE STUDY AND GROWTH OF SIDEREAL ASTROLOGY http://www.solunars.com/
CALCULATING A NATAL CHART BY HANDAre both Sidereal & Tropical ASC calculation methods same?
How do you do it?
Anyone calculates ASC manually?
Are both Sidereal & Tropical ASC calculation methods same? How do you do it?
Anyone calculates ASC manually?