wan
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There was no daylight saving in Taiwan in 1979? But my mother said there was. Who is right?
Saturn opposite ascendant--am I doomed to a life time of unsatisfying relationships?
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There was no daylight saving in Taiwan in 1979? But my mother said there was. Who is right?
wan
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According to this website (http://www.timeanddate.com/time/dst/1979b.html), there was daylight saving in Taiwan in 1979.
I am very confused right now. Different sources tell me different things.
I am very confused right now. Different sources tell me different things.
Until this is determined, there is no way to know what your astrological chart consists of.
This says there was DST in Taiwan at your birth:
http://www.timeanddate.com/time/zone/taiwan/taipei
If there was then your ASC is in Aquarius. Who to believe?
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wan
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Really? However I tried using the free chart services of astrodienst (http://www.astro.com/cgi/ade.cgi, go to extended chart selection), which according to someone is a reputable website with very reliable services, and it showed that my ascendant is Pisces. I also used http://alabe.com/cgi-bin/chart/astr...ung&COUNTRY=TAIW&STATE=&INPUT9=&Submit=Submit and it also told me Pisces. But some other services said Aquarius.
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Listen.... the problem between the two is whether the charting service or program is using your birth as being Daylight saving time or not.
If its standard time, then you have a Pisces ASC
If its DT then you have an Aquarius ASC.
The problem here is to find out which it really was, since some sources say that Taiwan was using DT time then, and other sources say it was not. And besides that your mother says something else, but that was almost 36 years ago. I don't remember stuff that far back. Since wiki gave a specific time when it wasn't and when it was, I tend to believe Wiki. World Time.com also says that Taiwan was using DT in 1979. But if you are going to believe you mother, then you have an Aquarius ASC.
This is the best I can do for you. Search the internet; collect different sources; choose the one that more agree with. I don't have time to do extensive searching about this for you.
But I would tend to believe that you have a DT birth time. This means that you have an Aquarius ASC.
And it comes back to my previous question about how hard you want to work with this.
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I have just checked with the publisher of my software who tells me that Daylight savings time was in effect in Taiwan in 1979, using two different sources. Since John Haloran is extremely oriented to accuracy, I would go with DT.
This means that AFAIC, your birth was during DT. And this means, while you may think that you have Pisces ASC,
You do not. Its Aquarius.
This means that AFAIC, your birth was during DT. And this means, while you may think that you have Pisces ASC,
You do not. Its Aquarius.
helgaleena
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Here is a chart with the north and south nodes aspected. I also added Part of Fortune, Vertex, and Lilith.
http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?...=20&add=22&snode=-Ys&aspc=1&aspn=1&asp=1&ast=
Part of Fortune, your true happiness, is conjunct your Moon. Your moon has a sextile to seventh house Vertex. That means that you are going to meet someone who will give you great happiness at some point. Jupiter, Neptune, Pluto, are related in a fortunate 'bow' formation connected to your Midheaven career. Of them, Pluto, the transformer, is in seventh house of relationships. When you meet this person it will be related to work, perhaps at a business trip or convention.
Will you calm down now and be more optimistic about your sixth house life path???
JUPITERASC
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There was DST in Taiwan when the OP was born
Not only are there no silver bullets
there are also no werewolves http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_bullet
Your mother is right
there DEFINITELY WAS DST in Taiwan in 1979
Time and Date website is correct also
and
there was indeed DST in Taiwan in 1979
Correct. There was DST in Taiwan in 1979
and
the accurate natal Ascendant is now simply entirely dependent on
an accurate time of birth
I can confirm that
astrodienst shows a Pisces ascendant
for the birthtime of 8.25PM
Because the OP's mother remembered correctly
that 'almost 36 years previously'
THERE WAS DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME
then
the OP's mother may indeed correctly recall the 'wristwatch time of birth' as described by the OP
Indeed, there WAS daylight savings time in Taiwan in 1979
AND FURTHERMORE
I have checked with
not only astrodienst
but also
with DELPHIC ORACLE software http://www.astrology-x-files.com/
with the given time of 8.25PM
and
the OP indeed has a 12 degree PISCES ascendant
wan
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First of all, thanks to all who replied.
Now, special, extra thanks go to both Zarathu and JupiterASC for going the extra mile to help me out. That being said, the two of you are telling me different things. JupiterASC said my ascendant is in Pisces, and zarathu said Aquarius. Again, two different things. So who should I listen to?
Now, special, extra thanks go to both Zarathu and JupiterASC for going the extra mile to help me out. That being said, the two of you are telling me different things. JupiterASC said my ascendant is in Pisces, and zarathu said Aquarius. Again, two different things. So who should I listen to?
wan
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The actual, legal, "wrist-watch time", according to my mom, was 8:25 PM. This time has not yet been adjusted to compensate for daylight savings.
The two sources I used, astrodienst and astrolabe (see links here: http://www.astro.com, go to extended chart selection and http://alabe.com/cgi-bin/chart/astr...ung&COUNTRY=TAIW&STATE=&INPUT9=&Submit=Submit) both said my ascendant is Pisces 12 degree.
However, according to this source, http://astro.cafeastrology.com/cgi-...ur=20&d1min=25&city=kaohsiung,+taiwan&lang=en, it said my ascendant is in Aquarius 23.
The two sources I used, astrodienst and astrolabe (see links here: http://www.astro.com, go to extended chart selection and http://alabe.com/cgi-bin/chart/astr...ung&COUNTRY=TAIW&STATE=&INPUT9=&Submit=Submit) both said my ascendant is Pisces 12 degree.
However, according to this source, http://astro.cafeastrology.com/cgi-...ur=20&d1min=25&city=kaohsiung,+taiwan&lang=en, it said my ascendant is in Aquarius 23.
helgaleena
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wan
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The two times you gave resulted by my calculations either in Pisces or Aries ascendant! Aquarius would be putting the Daylight savings in backwards. You are supposed to gain an hour in springtime, right? So listen to ME and stay Pisces rising
I actually really hope that you are right. If I have Pisces rising at 12 degree, I have this very sexy (to me, anyway) configuration whereby the lord of the horoscope conjunct Midheaven and Saturn conjunct descendant.
But I am very confused about the whole Daylight savings thing and how to account for it in birth charts. I never know whether to add or subtract an hour.
helgaleena
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'Spring forward, fall back' is the saying we learned about how to change your clocks.
You realize that the aspects will remain the same whether your rising sign is Pisces or not? The only thing which will shift is house position in some cases, not all cases. I would not worry too much about it. Saturn remains in the 6th and remains conjunct your north node but not as near the descendant.
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wan
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True. However, angles (such as the ascendant) are very important in synastry and if I have ascendant at Pisces 12, I will be right on the sun-moon mid-point of this guy I like (or nearly so). If I have Aquarius at 23 degrees, no such sexiness.
Also, you said, "spring forward, fall back", that is only used to adjust the clock. When we are trying to take daylight savings time into account for horoscope chart purposes, I am not sure if that is also what we do. In fact, I remember this huge debate being carried out by two posters back on this web forum I used to visit, and they each believed they were the right one, they were equally forceful and confidant, but one of them said to put the clock back one hour and the other said to put it forward one hour. Nobody knew who was right.
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helgaleena
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JUPITERASC
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JUPITERASC
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CALCULATING A NATAL CHART BY HAND
EXAMPLE FROM KEN WARD'S ASTROLOGY PAGES http://www.trans4mind.com/personal_d...ns/calcGMT.htm
Astrology: Calculating the Chart - UT or GMT.
QUOTE
'….While few people are actually going to work out astrological charts by hand, that is, using paper, pencil,
it is important to know how to do it
because unless an astrologer spends a great deal of time doing charts by hand,
they will never fully understand astrology.
By doing charts by hand,
one begins to understand more about the movement of the planets
and how they combine to affect the lives of people on Earth.
Astrology is a sacred science
and by doing the mundane routine things,
our minds enter a meditative state
wherein we realise things we might not have been able to know or understand otherwise....'
The tools you require to make a horoscope
in addition to writing
and
drawing tools
are
an atlas and an ephemeris
An ephemeris is a book or booklet
containing information about the positions of planets, etc. http://www.amazon.com/The-American-Ephemeris-1950-2050-Midnight/dp/1934976288
The information you require is the date and time and place of birth.
The place of birth is expressed in longitude and latitude.
Universal Time, or Greenwich Mean Time is required
to calculate the positions of the planets.
THE FOLLOWING LINKS ARE FOR THOSE WHO PREFER TO USE A TABLE OF HOUSES
CALCULATING A NATAL CHART BY HAND http://www.astrologicallyspeaking.co...ulatechart.pdf
QUOTE
'….For some time, our NCGR Chapters have asked for an available example of how to set a natal chart.
During the Spring 2010 Board meeting, it was voted that NCGR would place such an example on its website,
utilizing as a resource, Joan Negus’ out-of-print workbook, Basic Astrology: a Practical Guide.
This particular work was chosen
because it offers a time-proven resource for learning to accurately set a natal chart
and is an excellent way to honor Joan
since she and Ken Negus were instrumental in helping to establish the NCGR education program.
Ken Negus was contacted for permission to utilize Joan’s workbook, which he gave.....'
INSTRUCTIONS
HOW TO SET A NATAL CHART http://www.geocosmic.org/educ/assets/chartcalc.pdf
QUOTE
'….Two resources that one must have available to set a chart are:
1. Table of Houses
2. Ephemeris of the year of birth.
Many examples are found in tables of houses and some ephemerides.
Examples given herein yield acceptable results for exams. One may calculate by hand or by calculator, both methods are included.
NB
Hand and/or computer calculating
does not always yield exactly to the minute and second
the same results as from astrological software
In fact,
not all astrological software yields exactly to the minute-second
the same results
as another astrological software,
thus a small amount of error is accepted by exams.....'