@queenfluff
I said you would not like it!!
I get my info not from traditional western astrology but from magi-astrology that was developed in china, I think in the fifteenth century.
Yes its contradictory to western astrology and many a western astrologer trained in the traditional western way has a knee-jerk reaction to this, but I have studied it and it correlates to events in my life. Actually according to magi its neptune that is the planet of the real and long term events.
I never actually said "bad luck", its just an ending that I mentioned.
Good luck with it.
From reading into it, Magi Astrology seems to be backed up by solid research.
They focus mainly on planetary motion and geometry, which, in the end, is a core principle behind astrology.
They don't use wide orbs in their aspects.
From their research, they have found retrograde (Rx) planets to function in the following manner:
Bi-directional aspect - where a direct planet is in aspect to a Rx planet - lessens the difficulty of turbulent aspects and helps with the enhancement aspects
Double Rx aspect - where two Rx planets are in aspect to each other - these are most helpful for enhancement aspects but are the worst for turbulent aspects
Double direct aspect - where two direct planets are in aspect to each other - all types of aspects function in their usual manner
http://www.makeagreatchoice.com/insights/glossary.php
With Saturn and Jupiter, they consider only squares, oppositions, quincunxes, and contra-parallels to be Nuclear Clashes. The Jupiter/Saturn mid-point is considered to have a similar effect. The enhancement aspects aren't considered Nuclear Clashes. In Magi Astrology, quincunxes and contra-parallels are turbulent aspects only if Saturn or a Saturnian planet is involved. They consider Uranus quincunxes to not be good as well although not turbulent.
According to this, Saturn/Chiron and Uranus/Jupiter also fall under the category Nuclear Clash, though Saturn/Jupiter is the worst one.
http://www.jupitersweb.com/magi-astrology-aspects.html
Even according to other branches of astrology, hard Saturn/Jupiter transits tend to be very negative (read Robert Hand's interpretation on Saturn Square Jupiter as an example).
http://www.stariq.com/store/products/samples/Transits_Year.htm#B24
One thing they are kinda mixed up on, though, are some of the planetary symbolisms, particularly Saturn.
I could see how Saturn got its association with deception and temptation. Magi-astrology and some other branches of astrology as well associate Saturn with Satan. In Christianity, Satan is father of lies and deceiver and steals, kills, and destroys as well as tempts (this could be why Magi astrology does not really see anything positive in Saturn transits). All branches of astrology consider Saturn to be the Greater Malefic. Satan is Greek word for adversary, though the original Greek is used by most people. In a chart, adversaries are one of the things ruled by the 7th house.
The positive qualities of Saturn such as responsibility, maturity, discipline, and also given it's first 29 year cycle around your chart during your formative years, is contrary to the Satan symbolism. Saturn is actually the Roman equivalent to the Greek word Kronos, which means time, and time is one of the keywords that falls under Saturn. That's where we get the English word Chronology from.
Magi astrology and some of the other branches of astrology may have associated Saturn with Satan by taking the the "ur" out and substituting it with an "a" (just like Santa Clause got associated with Satan by changing the order of the letters of Santa). This could possibly be a reason why Saturn got associated with the more negative things along with its core qualities of responsibility, discipline, time, etc.
So where do you *feel* it belongs ie: house?
I believe mostly the 9th house. When Jupiter went over my Sun 12 years ago in early spring 2000 while I was a sophomore in high school, I was attending a charter high school located on a college campus. At that time, I started my first college level course. I was also taking an A+ Certification Computer Repair course, and later that year, got A+ Certified. By the time I graduated high school, I had 50 credit hours, almost 2 years worth of college completed. The high school paid for the courses. In summer of 1999 when Jupiter transited from my natal Mercury to 4 degrees Taurus, still technically in the 8th House, I attended an engineering seminar at a technical college (the campus where my charter high school was located at), got my driver's permit and completed Driver's ED so I could get my driver's license earlier, began attending the charter high school at the start of the 1999-2000 school year. I got a new computer at the same time. I went on two beach trips that summer as well.
From June of 1999 to beginning of 2000, Jupiter also went over my Mercury and Venus in the 8th House in Aries.
Overall, Jupiter in Taurus in 1999-2000 was a positive period. The Jupiter transits over my Mercury/Venus were positive as well.
I also had a Saturn Opposite Saturn at the same time from June 1999 to March 2000.
There is a higher and a lower energy available in all the aspects. It all depends on free will and each individual's personal state of spiritual growth.
I definitely believe that. I've noticed that my challenging aspects have started expressing more positively, or at least, less negatively, in more recent years.
For example, I have a very tight Moon Square Jupiter in my natal chart. It's less than half a degree org, applying. For many years, I have found this aspect to be troublesome in my life and likely behind my bipolar disorder.
I was diagnosed with the disorder at 12.5 years old at the hospital when Jupiter was at its original natal position. Then I had a major manic episode one night when my progressed Moon was square its natal position and conjunct my natal Jupiter to the exact degree and minute in April 2004.
That same year, I was having Saturn in Cancer Square Moon and Opposite Jupiter, and I had a lot bipolar mixed states during that time. 2004 was one bad year and one of the worst.
In late April 2005, I had a binge drinking episode due to depression when Jupiter in Libra was square its natal position and opposite my Moon (at the Rx pass).
In recent years, I've had my Moon/Jupiter square quite active by progression, solar arc, and transit, and I have not had the issues with the bipolar as I did in the past. It has been a more fulfilling period.
In 2010, I had SA Jupiter=Sun, ASC=Jupiter, and ASC=Moon. Currently, I'm having SA Moon=Sun, SA MC=Jupiter and MC=Moon. My 2nd Jupiter Return in 2008 went much better overall than my first one in 1996 (which I consider to be one of my worst years along with 2004).
In August of this year, I have a progressed Lunar Return.
Jupiter in Aries square natal Jupiter and conjunct natal Moon in March 2011 was positive unlike Jupiter's transit through Libra. Currently, I'm having Saturn Libra Opposite Moon and Square Jupiter, and it hasn't been as difficult as Saturn in Cancer was. That was one of the worst periods.