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If we are indeed in the binary system then according to Kepler's laws increase in the rate of Axial Precession means that we are closing in on other binary star. After the middle point of Satya Yuga, the rate of Precession should start decreasing. Increase in the rate of AP means we are in ascending part of the cycle, decrease would mean we are in descending part of the cycle.
Right. I looked at a couple of videos, and it's about Kepler's three laws of planetary motion. In this case the "planet" is our visible Sun, orbiting our invisible Sun in an elliptical orbit. And, as you say, it's not a constant increase. It averages out during the aphelion phase. The current rate of Axial Precession works for a few thousand years in either direction with an increasing +/- factor the farther an historical date is from the current value--nothing too extreme, considering how long an Age lasts. The most profound concept is about the VERY extreme Astrological effect the distance between the two Suns is theorized to have on our collective psyches, as described by the Yuga Cycle.

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David, readers of this thread would appreciate if you can give practical example of your method that includes astrological chart. So far, it was "dry" theory mostly.
It's complicated, since there are three points, and the Age Trident is about shared World-view. For starters, with the 1st and 2nd points in Capricorn, Saturn gets an an increase in Mundane Authority (planetary value regarding our material existence) when it comes to individual and societal concerns. With the 3rd point in Sagittarius, Jupiter gets an increase in Mundane Authority regarding the traditions that sustain us, most of which are rooted in the 1st point Age of Sagittarius (c. 1400 B.C. to 400 A.D.).
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I think you are making it more complicated than it actually is. I'd stick to the purely spiritual aspects of it. The way I understand our journey as humanity thru the ages is as an indicator of what kind of spiritual truths we are able to grasp as a collective, not as an individual. In that sense it's a very simple concept. How that plays out on an individual level is up to the individual. In the densest of times there have still been those who could grasp the highest of truths and they did pass them on. The highest of truths just weren't common knowledge and it was difficult to live by them, but they weren't out of reach either. In the most evolved of times they were common knowledge and therefore easy to live by. There have always been individuals or even groups that lived ahead of their time or behind of their time. There are groups even today that have no idea of any kind of technology and yet they live in a technological age. And there are groups that had the technology we enjoy today decades ago already. Very different levels of development exist simultaneously. That's why it is so difficult to actually apply the trident method and come up with specific dates and details. It's not practical. Just my 2 cents.
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I think you are making it more complicated than it actually is. I'd stick to the purely spiritual aspects of it. The way I understand our journey as humanity thru the ages is as an indicator of what kind of spiritual truths we are able to grasp as a collective, not as an individual. In that sense it's a very simple concept. How that plays out on an individual level is up to the individual. In the densest of times there have still been those who could grasp the highest of truths and they did pass them on. The highest of truths just weren't common knowledge and it was difficult to live by them, but they weren't out of reach either. In the most evolved of times they were common knowledge and therefore easy to live by. There have always been individuals or even groups that lived ahead of their time or behind of their time. There are groups even today that have no idea of any kind of technology and yet they live in a technological age. And there are groups that had the technology we enjoy today decades ago already. Very different levels of development exist simultaneously. That's why it is so difficult to actually apply the trident method and come up with specific dates and details. It's not practical. Just my 2 cents.
The "complication" is that each Chart is Aspected to each point of the Trident differently. The Trident Age concept is actually quite simple: Like-minded individuals create social-orders, and the societies they create, establish traditions. Societies outlive individuals, and traditions outlive societies. We each have all three types of orientation, Aspected differently in our own Charts, because the Trident-points are out of orb, 15 degrees apart.
Tropically, we can predict the general timeframe for when individuals with Charts well-Aspected to the first Trident-point are able to take control of their social order and break with Tradition, and either change them to suit themselves, or even start something altogether new and different, corresponding Astrologically to the first-point's Sign location and that Sign's rulership. But, predicting the exact dates and places this will occur isn't possible, because it's the aggregate effect of a myriad number of individual Charts.
Another problem is, that Signs impart qualities not expressions. Sun in Aquarius isn't the same effect as Moon, Planet, Ascendant, or Trident in Aquarius. I've noticed that people look for shared qualities of Sun-sign individuals as they perceive them to be, and then (incorrectly IMO) apply them to what an Age of that Sign will, or would, be exactly like.
Muchaco, Chart indicators alone can't tell us what individuals will do, or exactly when they will do it. Why are you expecting that from ANY Age-indicator? Gaia's Trident in our Tropical Charts is about what our planet is influencing and enabling us to do; it's not about compelling a lockstep reaction.
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The first-point Tropical Ages follow a pattern: The Cardinal-sign Ages are highly Traditionalistic at the beginning, and highly Individualistic at the end; whereas the Fixed-sign Ages are highly Individualistic at the very beginning. The result, is back to back Individualistic decants; and at the Cusp, which is where the first-point of Gaia's Trident is now approaching, the first-point Cardinal-sign Age culminates and finishes, and the Fixed-sign Age manifestations begin immediately. The first-point Mutable-sign Ages are most effective in the middle Decant. For the Age of Sagittarius (c.1400 B.C. to 400 A.D.), the middle of the Age included the life and times of some remarkable individuals of great influence--the Buddha, Lao Tzu, Confucius, Pythagoras, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Herodotus, Hippocrates, and others.
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Excellent point there about the difficulty of predicting exact dates and places. Astrology is based on the principle 'as above so below' which means as macrocosm so microcosm. Which means we can approach this topic of dating historical events in the same way we would approach dating personal events. Predictive astrology is basically the study of cycles and cycles within cycles and how they affect us. And in that sense, we could say that the ages are mega cycles that also have sub cycles, like the great conjunctions. The mega cycle indicator just gives us a rough idea, a basic framework for possible general future events. But it's the sub cycles and especially the sub-sub cycles that point to not only possible but also probable, specific actual events. So we should also work with those numerous cycles. The ancients worked with the great conjunctions, i.e. the Jupiter Saturn cycle. Jupiter Saturn conjunctions occur every 20 years but it takes almost 1,000 years for a full cycle.

In the book Mundane Astrology that I've already mentioned, there are some other conjunctions listed that may be of interest, here are 10 possible pairs:

Neptune-Pluto (492 years)
Uranus-Neptune (172 years)
Uranus-Pluto (127 years)
Saturn-Uranus (45 years)
Saturn-Neptune (36 years)
Saturn-Pluto (33 years)
Jupiter-Saturn (20 years)
Jupiter-Uranus (14 years)
Jupiter-Neptune (13 years)
Jupiter-Pluto (12 years)

So there's a lot to work with.
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I'll try seeing how their midpoint Aspecting the Trident correlates to actual events.
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Interesting to me that the Kali Yuga date 3100 corresponds to the Tropical Age of Scorpio (c.3100 to 1400 B.C.), a Fixed-sign Age which manifested the 1st Dynasty of Ancient Egypt at the very beginning. The question is, why the aggregate response to that Age took the exact form it did, especially Dynasties 1 through 4, resulting in the Pyramids. Although, given the nature of the 8th House as it relates to Scorpio, the Life After Death theme makes sense; and, the most popular deity, Osirus, god of the Underworld, relates to Pluto, the Greco-Roman version during the 3rd-point Age of Scorpio which was the Traditionalistic "background" Age during the Tropical Age of Sagittarius (c.1400 B.C. to 400 A.D.). Possibly predictive of a huge, worldwide, coordinated project starting at the beginning of the upcoming, Fixed-sign Age of Aquarius (mean Trident position c.2150 to 3900) with an Aquarian theme. Something 11th Housish perhaps?

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Some give the start of the Kali Yuga at 3104 BCE, and connect it with the Mahabharata war (the start of which has been dated by some historian/astronomers, to 3067 BCE)
In my little research-study (about time periods connected with individual stars as they enter 0 Aries-longitude-in succession), the great Aldebaran was approximately @ that point (Aldebaran is a key star of the tauri constellation)...
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The general premise of this Thread regarding the Astrological Age Trident is twofold: (1) An Astrological Age is the result of a simultaneous three-phase effect on our psyches which STRONGLY influences our shared World-view Individually (1st-point), Socially (2nd-point), and Traditionally (3rd-point). And, (2) An Astrological Age is the aggregate effect of the Age influence as it's indicated by the Trident IN EACH CHART.
The special case is just HOW the Trident is located, and there are several versions available. Calling it "Gaia's" Trident implies Terrestrial-influence that requires a Terrestrial placement, such as on the Equinoctial Line, which is the intersection of Earth's orbital and equatorial planes, at either or both ends. The original version of the Astrological Ages, from which the expression "Age of Aquarius" originated, used both ends of the Equinoctial Line in the context of a Sidereal Zodiac, and was primarily about a Sidereal Age of Pisces/Virgo giving way to an Age of Aquarius/Leo. Applying the Trident-method, the 1st-point in this case is at one end or the other of the Line itself, which then "pulls" the Trident in and out of convergence with each 30 degree Sign (since the Trident's outer prongs are 30 degrees apart). Just WHEN the Trident placed at the Vernal end (the VEP) will align with Sidereal Pisces depends on the specific location of the Sign-boundaries, which vary from one Siderealist to another; and, on the rate of movement, which is fairly constant in the short-term, regarding one Age of about 2150 years at the current rate. So, by far the major disagreement is about where the Sidereal-signs are placed--one degree-difference in Sign-placement changes when the Age of Aquarius begins by about 72 YEARS!); and, many of the opinions as to when the Aquarian Age begins place them with a blatant disregard for the opinions of Sidereal-astrologers themselves, as to where the Sign-boundaries actually are. [IMO] If you want a valid opinion on the timing of the Sidereal Aquarian Age, respect the Sidereal Zodiac!

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Some give the start of the Kali Yuga at 3104 BCE, and connect it with the Mahabharata war (the start of which has been dated by some historian/astronomers, to 3067 BCE)
In my little research-study (about time periods connected with individual stars as they enter 0 Aries-longitude-in succession), the great Aldebaran was approximately @ that point (Aldebaran is a key star of the tauri constellation)...
That is correct. Mahabharata also speaks about Saturn/Mars opposition taking place on Aldebaran/Antares preceding the Kurukshetra battle that took place later that year.

This is tropical chart for July 20th 3067 BC Julian calendar - exact time of Saturn/Mars opposition, place Kurukshetra. According to my software Aldebaran was @ 29 PIS 42 and Antares was @ 29 VIR 47 at the time. The chart is really fascinating!


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That is correct. Mahabharata also speaks about Saturn/Mars opposition taking place on Aldebaran/Antares preceding the Kurukshetra battle that took place later that year.

This is tropical chart for July 20th 3067 BC Julian calendar - exact time of Saturn/Mars opposition, place Kurukshetra. According to my software Aldebaran was @ 29 PIS 42 and Antares was @ 29 VIR 47 at the time. The chart is really fascinating!

It's also during the 1st degree of the 1st-point Age of Tropical Scorpio, with Gaia's Trident (in Direct-motion) nearly coincidental with Tropical Libra (Mean calculation). So, the last of the Summer-season Traditional Ages is over, and the FALL has officially begun. Synchronicity at work!

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The timing was fortunate. The Fall Signs are tough and resilient, as is Capricorn. So, Earth's Tropical Age influence gave us what we needed to survive the darkness of the Kali Yuga.
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So, the "Fall Season of Ages" first-point Age of Tropical Libra, held back by third-point "Summer Tradition" until the end (3500 to 3100 B.C. Mean Trident position), produced the Uruk culture of the Tigris Euphrates Valley--writing, city-states and sophisticated monuments, metallurgy, wheeled vehicles and plows pulled by animals, astrology and mathematics--innovations for the new seasonal quadrant. Most important deity, "Inanna",linked to the planet and archetype now known as Venus, who became "Ishtar" for the second-point Libran Age culture, Sumeria, which immediately followed after the first-point Age of Libra ended. Very beginning of the first-point Age of Scorpio, in comes the 1st Dynasty of Ancient Egypt (the symbol for the Sign correlates to the Scorpions swarming the banks of the Nile in mid-Autumn), and, Osirus, god of the Underworld, now known as Pluto, most important deity for the first Decant of the Age (3100 to 2500 B.C.). The first Decant is the most effective for a Tropical Fixed-sign Age, and the Pyramids of Giza were completed, after which Egypt "lived in the shadow of the Great Pyramid. Again, the innovations of the Tropical Cardinal-sign Ages are pushed to the end by previous quadrant Tradition; but with Tradition in disarray as the third Trident-point moves into the new quadrant, the sheer intensity of the shared individualistic impulses of the Fixed-sign Age cause it to manifest immediately.
This leaves the middle Decant for a Tropical Mutable-Age, like the Age of Sagittarius (1st-point Mean Trident position, about 800 to 200 B.C.)--"The Glory that was Greece", the Age of Apollo and the Nine Muses, ruled by Zeus, now known as Jupiter, and the "Age of Philosophers". The Romans take over for the last Decant, and then it all came crashing down when the Trident reached the "Winter quadrant" around 400 A.D. The "Dark Ages" were a 3rd-point Traditional and 2nd-point Societal reaction (both in Sagittarius) AGAINST the 1st-point entrance into the first Sign of the "Winter quadrant", Tropical Capricorn.
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The Ages, once a controversial subject, are now either ignored, or taken for granted by most Astrologers.
Hi david starling,

They should be ignored, since they're of no relevance. The ancients placed no significance on them, and they were of no value other than purposes of time-keeping.

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The Yugas are very unequal in length, and I haven't found enough reference material to explain them relative to Precession of the Equinoxes (the movement of the VEP through the constellations).
That's because they're based on the Base 60 number system and not the zodiac.

432,000 is a sacred number in many cultures.

In Norse culture, 800 warriors in Valhalla will exit from 540 doors.

800 x 540 = 432,000

Genesis 6 says "120 years" but that is an incorrect translation. It actually says 120 shars, and one shar is 3,600 years, so

120 x 3,600 = 432,000

The Rigveda has 10,800 stanzas with 40 syllables per stanza or

10,800 x 40 = 432,000

The day of the Lord Brahma is 12 Million devas, with a deva being 360 years or

12,000,000 x 360 = 4,320,000,000 years or about the time Earth formed.

The Hindu great yuga is divided into four groups:

1,728,000 years (432,000 x 4)
1,296,000 years (432,000 x 3)
864,000 years (432,000 x 2)
432,000 years (432,000 x 1)

We are in the last 432,000 year period. Unfortunately, the reference point is unknown, so we don't know when the count-down to The End begins.

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Btw, without the advocacy of Karl Jung, it's possible the Ages wouldn't have become a mainstream Astrological concept at all!
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Right. I looked at a couple of videos, and it's about Kepler's three laws of planetary motion. In this case the "planet" is our visible Sun, orbiting our invisible Sun in an elliptical orbit.
That's not how it works.

Binary stars orbit a barycenter, an empty point in space.

The Sun isn't actually stationary, it orbits a barycenter, too. That barycenter is caused by the gravitational pull of the planets.

ssbarycenter.gsim shows it.

It is alleged the Sun has a dwarf twin, but there's no evidence to support that theory. The claim is based on mass extinctions occurring 26 Million years, but the fact is such extinctions don't occur every 26 Million years, they average 26 Million years, which is not the same thing and many of the extinctions have no relationship with celestial events.

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The Earth's astrological Ages are of immense importance. We'll just have to agree to disagree on that....And, we can determine the astrological reference points, in order to place the Age indicators in both the tropical and sidereal Charts.
Btw, if you don't think "time-keeping" relates to astrological significance, try drawing a Chart without knowing anything about the time of birth.
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I believe you started this thread David Starling? Would you prefer I post here as the subject is similar? I enjoyed the link.....thank you.....I will need to watch it again though......Fibanocci applies to everything.......kind of warm and fuzzy isn't it?
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I believe you started this thread David Starling? Would you prefer I post here as the subject is similar? I enjoyed the link.....thank you.....I will need to watch it again though......Fibanocci applies to everything.......kind of warm and fuzzy isn't it?
Sure, any insights regarding the Ages belong on this thread.
The graphics are excellent. And, the voice isn't annoying.
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David, readers of this thread would appreciate if you can give practical example of your method that includes astrological chart. So far, it was "dry" theory mostly.
Currently, the tropically-placed Age Trident is nearly in convergence with the tropical Sign Capricorn. So, that's where the action is. I'm watching the transiting interplay between Saturn and Pluto with great interest. Pluto will be a major factor during the Aquarian Age, while Saturn will be relegated to a background influence. I'm expecting some major mundane events when Saturn temporarily enters Aquarius about a year from now.
And, when Pluto ingresses Aquarius in 2024.
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There is also the Maha Yug that is equal to the total of the combined other yugas

Maha Yug 4,320,000 years

Also breaks down to a 9
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AJ, I knew about the Sun's barycenter, but here's a question you may be able to answer: Does the Sun's movement around its barycenter affect its its True astrological position back and forth? In other words, does the Sun display short periods of nutational Retrograde movement, which is being ignored in favor of its constantly Direct, Mean movement?
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There is also the Maha Yug that is equal to the total of the combined other yugas

Maha Yug 4,320,000 years

Also breaks down to a 9
They play with the numbers though. They use mathematical models which can give varying results. That's why I find the Yugas unreliable. They're too much based on opinion. Also, they rely on prehistory, rather than the historical record. The Ages can be tracked reliably through the tangible history we know enough about, going back about 6000 years. Then, we can extrapolate from that as to their affect on the past and future, using astrological patterning.
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The ancient calendar were generally round, I am sure our calendar doesn’t fit......but “theirs”did......so which calendar fits the numbers......the numbers were for us to use, presumably with a set system.....the Chinese, Vedic and Mayan ancient calendars resemble each other........

Anybody know how to read any of them?
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