piercethevale
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Howdy, this came to me about an hour ago while sitting and taking a break from the movie I bought today. A movie about politicians and truth and lies.
The USA's natal chart that I adhere to (The "Zero Hour", 12:00:01 am, July 4, 1776 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania) produces two Astrological Parts in the 18th degree of Pisces, those two are, the Part of Catastrophe (a trans-Saturnian Part, derived from the formula; Asc. + Uranus - Sun) and the Part of Intelligence & Skill ( an old "Arabic" Part derived from the formula; Asc. + Mars - Mercury). The Part of Catastrophe is an inevitable situation that will arise sometime during your life span but it is a necessary catastrophe from which greatness will emerge, very possibly, but the trick is in not letting it overwhelm you.....forewarned is forearmed, having knowledge of what that catastrophe will involve is the opportunity to be able to mitigate the damage....and it's at 17* Pisces 44' 11" and the Part of Intelligence & Skill, which is about what you have the greatest skill at in applying your intelligence to... or to put another way, what is that which is the greatest gift of your intellect can be best applied, to or, towards as a skill, or skillfully... and that Part is at 17* Pisces 52' 11"
Saturn got to within a one degree orb of conjunction to the USA's natal Part of Catastrophe at 7:02:56 pm, EDST, on June 3, 1965 which is pinpointed at 17* Pisces 44' 11", and on June 7th at about 10:20 am EDST the Part of Intelligence & Skill at 17* Pisces 52' 11". It got to almost a half of a degree away from a perfect conjunction when it went retrograde on the 27th and continued on, in retrograde, until November 13th, going back outside the limit of a one degree orb of conjunction on July 27th. It would enter the orb of conjunction one last time in February of 1966, conjunct the Part of Catastrophe and the Part of Intelligence & Skill on the 21st and 22nd leaving that orb on March 1st to not return for another 28 years.
The Sabian Symbol for the 18th degree of Pisces does quite literally symbolize what gives both the cause for the "catastrophes" the nation faces and also it's inherent "skill" at applying its' "intelligence"
That symbol, as depicted and interpreted by the late, 20th century astrologer and master symbologist, nonpareil, Dane Rudhyar (from his book "An Astrological Mandala") is given as: "PISCES 18°: IN A GIGANTIC TENT, VILLAGERS WITNESS A SPECTACULAR PERFORMANCE."
KEYNOTE:The collective appeal of a well-staged and exciting display of skill and/or oratory."
Dane wrote further in explanation, but first writing of the different interpretations as to whether it be a circus tent, the tent for an old time revivalists meeting or those that as were sometimes used on occasions for political speeches {ibid.} "In a sense, the basic meaning is the same whether it is the traditional performance of skilled clowns, acrobats or animal trainers, or that of a religious fundamentalist dramatizing an old religious imagery, what takes place is the use of personal achievement and conviction to bring a crowd to a state of enthusiasm sufficient to make it forget its boredom with everyday routine or its familiar sins of commission or omission."
Dane boiled it down to how to understand how it applies to society as: {ibid.} "...the individual person and the collectivity are brought together in a significant performance which subtly strengthens the communal spirit directly or indirectly. The implication of the symbol, whenever it is found operating, is that the time has come for the individual to dare to present himself and his works to his community for applause, or for the purpose of attracting a following."
Which Dane concluded with his well known "Keyword" {although, sometimes it was a few 'keywords',} in summarization: {ibid.} "What is suggested is PUBLIC SELF-DRAMATIZATION."
The great orators that have been a part of the political, societal and spiritual scene in the United States, since her inception, have numbered many. And for every one of them that spoke truth, or gave good advice, there have been just as many that did otherwise.
It is both the United States inherent gift of intellect and skill and yet also her greatest weakness in that just as many of those 'that did otherwise' attracted voters or followers and sometimes the greater portion of them.
The dates, I gave, were a time of great displays of oratory skill in America. Saturn is known to be a stern disciplinarian and was known to the ancient Greeks as Chronos (and still is known as such to many people, esp. astrologers, around the world.). Chronos is the "Time Keeper" and the "Time Keeper"'s of yore were also the ''Pay Masters"... and the "Time Keeper" will dock your pay if, you don't do the job right or, as you promised you would.
There's a lot more I intend to write on this, but it has gotten late and I wasn't well this past day.
I'll pick it up tomorrow from where I left off here.
It is going t get real interesting as to what all else I found in activity from late 1962 up to, and including, the "Summer of Love, in 1967... "and that's fair dinkum. mates"...as an old Australian buddy of mine, now deceased, used to say.
Here's the chart for the exact moment that Saturn entered the one degree orb of conjunction to the USA's natal Part of Catastrophe.
The USA's natal chart that I adhere to (The "Zero Hour", 12:00:01 am, July 4, 1776 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania) produces two Astrological Parts in the 18th degree of Pisces, those two are, the Part of Catastrophe (a trans-Saturnian Part, derived from the formula; Asc. + Uranus - Sun) and the Part of Intelligence & Skill ( an old "Arabic" Part derived from the formula; Asc. + Mars - Mercury). The Part of Catastrophe is an inevitable situation that will arise sometime during your life span but it is a necessary catastrophe from which greatness will emerge, very possibly, but the trick is in not letting it overwhelm you.....forewarned is forearmed, having knowledge of what that catastrophe will involve is the opportunity to be able to mitigate the damage....and it's at 17* Pisces 44' 11" and the Part of Intelligence & Skill, which is about what you have the greatest skill at in applying your intelligence to... or to put another way, what is that which is the greatest gift of your intellect can be best applied, to or, towards as a skill, or skillfully... and that Part is at 17* Pisces 52' 11"
Saturn got to within a one degree orb of conjunction to the USA's natal Part of Catastrophe at 7:02:56 pm, EDST, on June 3, 1965 which is pinpointed at 17* Pisces 44' 11", and on June 7th at about 10:20 am EDST the Part of Intelligence & Skill at 17* Pisces 52' 11". It got to almost a half of a degree away from a perfect conjunction when it went retrograde on the 27th and continued on, in retrograde, until November 13th, going back outside the limit of a one degree orb of conjunction on July 27th. It would enter the orb of conjunction one last time in February of 1966, conjunct the Part of Catastrophe and the Part of Intelligence & Skill on the 21st and 22nd leaving that orb on March 1st to not return for another 28 years.
The Sabian Symbol for the 18th degree of Pisces does quite literally symbolize what gives both the cause for the "catastrophes" the nation faces and also it's inherent "skill" at applying its' "intelligence"
That symbol, as depicted and interpreted by the late, 20th century astrologer and master symbologist, nonpareil, Dane Rudhyar (from his book "An Astrological Mandala") is given as: "PISCES 18°: IN A GIGANTIC TENT, VILLAGERS WITNESS A SPECTACULAR PERFORMANCE."
KEYNOTE:The collective appeal of a well-staged and exciting display of skill and/or oratory."
Dane wrote further in explanation, but first writing of the different interpretations as to whether it be a circus tent, the tent for an old time revivalists meeting or those that as were sometimes used on occasions for political speeches {ibid.} "In a sense, the basic meaning is the same whether it is the traditional performance of skilled clowns, acrobats or animal trainers, or that of a religious fundamentalist dramatizing an old religious imagery, what takes place is the use of personal achievement and conviction to bring a crowd to a state of enthusiasm sufficient to make it forget its boredom with everyday routine or its familiar sins of commission or omission."
Dane boiled it down to how to understand how it applies to society as: {ibid.} "...the individual person and the collectivity are brought together in a significant performance which subtly strengthens the communal spirit directly or indirectly. The implication of the symbol, whenever it is found operating, is that the time has come for the individual to dare to present himself and his works to his community for applause, or for the purpose of attracting a following."
Which Dane concluded with his well known "Keyword" {although, sometimes it was a few 'keywords',} in summarization: {ibid.} "What is suggested is PUBLIC SELF-DRAMATIZATION."
The great orators that have been a part of the political, societal and spiritual scene in the United States, since her inception, have numbered many. And for every one of them that spoke truth, or gave good advice, there have been just as many that did otherwise.
It is both the United States inherent gift of intellect and skill and yet also her greatest weakness in that just as many of those 'that did otherwise' attracted voters or followers and sometimes the greater portion of them.
The dates, I gave, were a time of great displays of oratory skill in America. Saturn is known to be a stern disciplinarian and was known to the ancient Greeks as Chronos (and still is known as such to many people, esp. astrologers, around the world.). Chronos is the "Time Keeper" and the "Time Keeper"'s of yore were also the ''Pay Masters"... and the "Time Keeper" will dock your pay if, you don't do the job right or, as you promised you would.
There's a lot more I intend to write on this, but it has gotten late and I wasn't well this past day.
I'll pick it up tomorrow from where I left off here.
It is going t get real interesting as to what all else I found in activity from late 1962 up to, and including, the "Summer of Love, in 1967... "and that's fair dinkum. mates"...as an old Australian buddy of mine, now deceased, used to say.
Here's the chart for the exact moment that Saturn entered the one degree orb of conjunction to the USA's natal Part of Catastrophe.
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