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Re: Traditional astrology chart - Online calculator

kaktuzz has just added a very useful feature - the rising times for both tropical and sidereal charts, which is required for a few Hellenistic techniques such as timing the changeover of triplicity rulers (usually the ascensional time of the ruler), or combinations of planetary years and ascensional times such as in Book VII of Vettius Valens.

Here is an example of the table for the tropical rising times - https://i.imgur.com/gd2eRBU.jpg

You also have the conversion key on the right which can be used for primary directions of the ascendant, or other planets. Those were most often used for length of life procedures, but there are texts attributed to Hermes and by Valens himself that say you can use progress all stars for more general matters.

''or as I, Hermes, have prescribed. It is necessary to make the progression from all
the stars to all the other stars according to the rising times of the signs in each klima. For example: for a
wife, daughters, or female individuals, calculate from Venus; when forecasting concerning actions or related
matters, calculate from Mercury; when forecasting about dangers, death, sickness, or bleeding, calculate
from the malefics in aspect with the Ascendant, the sun, or the moon. Similarly for the other matters. It is
also necessary to note the terms in which the progressions are located, which stars are casting rays, and
which stars are transiting the sign of the progression. Likewise note how the transmitter and the receiver
relate to the nativity, how they rose, and how they were at the nativity.'' - https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt...s%20entire.pdf


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kaktuzz has just added a very useful feature - the rising times for both tropical and sidereal charts, which is required for a few Hellenistic techniques such as timing the changeover of triplicity rulers (usually the ascensional time of the ruler), or combinations of planetary years and ascensional times such as in Book VII of Vettius Valens.

Here is an example of the table for the tropical rising times - https://i.imgur.com/gd2eRBU.jpg

You also have the conversion key on the right which can be used for primary directions of the ascendant, or other planets. Those were most often used for length of life procedures, but there are texts attributed to Hermes and by Valens himself that say you can use progress all stars for more general matters.

''or as I, Hermes, have prescribed. It is necessary to make the progression from all
the stars to all the other stars according to the rising times of the signs in each klima. For example: for a
wife, daughters, or female individuals, calculate from Venus; when forecasting concerning actions or related
matters, calculate from Mercury; when forecasting about dangers, death, sickness, or bleeding, calculate
from the malefics in aspect with the Ascendant, the sun, or the moon. Similarly for the other matters. It is
also necessary to note the terms in which the progressions are located, which stars are casting rays, and
which stars are transiting the sign of the progression. Likewise note how the transmitter and the receiver
relate to the nativity, how they rose, and how they were at the nativity.'' - https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt...s%20entire.pdf
Thank you petosiris for this announcement

And there are also two other announcements - thanks to you and your help!

https://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/traditional-astrology

1) Prenatal Syzygy is displayed in the natal chart directly

2) There are several additional Hellenistic Lots

(and both should work also in sidereal )
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Thank you petosiris for this announcement

And there are also two other announcements - thanks to you and your help!


https://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/traditional-astrology

1) Prenatal Syzygy is displayed in the natal chart directly

2) There are several additional Hellenistic Lots

(and both should work also in sidereal
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Thanks kaktuzz
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Kaktuzz, thank you!


There is a minor update/add-on:

I added 12 new Whole Sign house systems starting at 0° of each of the 12 zodiac Signs. (0°Aries; 0°Taurus; 0°Gemini; etc...)

Some people asked for this feature to inspect especially their Solar Return chart; so I'm not sure if these 0°Whole Sign houses might be usefull also in any traditional astrology technique?

And I'm also unsure about sidereal option
a) should it force sidereal ASC to be exactly 0°Aries; 0°Taurus; 0°Gemini; etc...
b) or should it calculate tropical ASC to be 0°Aries; 0°Taurus; 0°Gemini; and then substract Ayanamsa?

So I'm just letting know that there is also this option.
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Re: Traditional astrology chart - Online calculator

Hello,

there are some new add-ons in traditional astrology section again

1) Lot of Fortune / Lot of Spirit / Lot of Eros - Step by Step Online Calculator
horoscopes.astro-seek.com/part-of-fortune-lot-of-fortune-online-calculator
- an easy tutorial, how to calculate all of these lots by hand

2) Vimshottari Dasha Periods - Sidereal Timing Technique Online Calculator
horoscopes.astro-seek.com/dasha-vedic-astrology-online-calculator
- more informations about this technique:
http://theastrologypodcast.com/2019/...dic-astrology/
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Hello,

there are some new add-ons in traditional astrology section again

1) Lot of Fortune / Lot of Spirit / Lot of Eros - Step by Step Online Calculator
horoscopes.astro-seek.com/part-of-fortune-lot-of-fortune-online-calculator
- an easy tutorial, how to calculate all of these lots by hand

2) Vimshottari Dasha Periods - Sidereal Timing Technique Online Calculator
horoscopes.astro-seek.com/dasha-vedic-astrology-online-calculator
- more informations about this technique:
http://theastrologypodcast.com/2019/...dic-astrology/
Thanks kaktuzz
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Re: Traditional astrology chart - Online calculator

Hello,

there are some new SIDEREAL tools and search engine calculators.
All these search/return tools are available for various Aynamsas - so I guess they might be used also for Traditional astrology

1) Basic Sidereal Calculator (Sidereal Birth/Transit/Synastry chart
horoscopes.astro-seek.com/sidereal-astrology-chart-calculator

2) Sidereal Returns on Particular X° degree
horoscopes.astro-seek.com/sidereal-ingresses-planet-returns-calculator

3) Sidereal Natal Transits Search Engine
horoscopes.astro-seek.com/sidereal-natal-transits-astrology-calculator
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Hello,

there are some new SIDEREAL tools and search engine calculators.
All these search/return tools are available for various Aynamsas - so I guess they might be used also for Traditional astrology

1) Basic Sidereal Calculator (Sidereal Birth/Transit/Synastry chart
horoscopes.astro-seek.com/sidereal-astrology-chart-calculator

2) Sidereal Returns on Particular X° degree
horoscopes.astro-seek.com/sidereal-ingresses-planet-returns-calculator

3) Sidereal Natal Transits Search Engine
horoscopes.astro-seek.com/sidereal-natal-transits-astrology-calculator

Thanks kaktuzz
very useful
sidereal western astrologers have difficulties finding FREE online chart calculation
that is also reliable

we continue to lack a sidereal board on our forum
I shared your good news on a chat thread
where a sidereal discussion is currently https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...&postcount=694

but anything is possible
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Thanks kaktuzz
very useful
sidereal western astrologers have difficulties finding FREE online chart calculation
that is also reliable

we continue to lack a sidereal board on our forum
I shared your good news on a chat thread
where a sidereal discussion is currently https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...&postcount=694

but anything is possible
Thanks JUPITERASC!
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Re: Traditional astrology chart - Online calculator

Hello,

I added a new "chart style customizer" feature for customizing chart style graphics.
It's already availabe also in traditional chart calculator

1) Various planet/degrees/signs colors
2) Smaller/Bigger glyphs
3) Printing option (US Letter size / EU A4 size)

https://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/natal-chart-online-custom-graphic-layout-calculator
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OK, I will try to implement it ... and most probably I will send you some examples for confirmation/approval, if it matches also the DELPHIC ORACLE and PORPHYRIUS MAGUS
(I don't have these softwares and I can test these distributions calculations according to this Janus 5.1 video only)
Hi, will you be considering distribution through the bounds on your site? Can't find any site online yet to offer this option.
For primaries, is there an option to choose significator other than Asc/MC?
Thanks!
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will you be considering distribution through the bounds on your site
I would like to and I already have some unfinished testing page ... I just have to find some time to finish it

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For primaries, is there an option to choose significator other than Asc/MC?
Unfortunatelly no. Calculation was too complicated and I wasn't able to do it correctly/properly; so I rather kept only ASC & MC option (this calculation is much simpler)
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Hi, will you be considering distribution through the bounds on your site? Can't find any site online yet to offer this option.


For primaries, is there an option to choose significator other than Asc/MC?
Thanks!
requires so much work
and so unsurprisingly
no site offers distribution through the bounds calculations for free
you can buy the software from https://www.astrology-x-files.com/software/
and also
at https://patrickwatsonastrology.com/store/
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Hi,
I would like to and I already have some unfinished testing page ... I just have to find some time to finish it
Unfortunatelly no. Calculation was too complicated and I wasn't able to do it correctly/properly;

so I rather kept only ASC & MC option (this calculation is much simpler)

kaktuzz your site offers multitudes of options for FREE

that are unavailable anywhere else for FREE
much appreciated - many thanks
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requires so much work
and so unsurprisingly
no site offers distribution through the bounds calculations for free
you can buy the software from https://www.astrology-x-files.com/software/
and also
at https://patrickwatsonastrology.com/store/
Morinus software. A good one. Free too.
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I would like to and I already have some unfinished testing page ... I just have to find some time to finish it


Unfortunatelly no. Calculation was too complicated and I wasn't able to do it correctly/properly; so I rather kept only ASC & MC option (this calculation is much simpler)
Thank you! Looking forward to the bounds directions, and you can consider the free Morinus software if require comparison testing.
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Morinus software. A good one. Free too.
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Thank you! Looking forward to the bounds directions, and
you can consider the free Morinus software
if require comparison testing.
kaktuzz mentioned previously he already uses Morinus as inspiration
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requires so much work
and so unsurprisingly
no site offers distribution through the bounds calculations for free
you can buy the software from https://www.astrology-x-files.com/software/
and also
at https://patrickwatsonastrology.com/store/

Hello!

I followed this article
www.sevenstarsastrology.com/astrological-predictive-techniques-primary-directions-1-ascensions-bounds/

and finally implemented "Distribution through the Bounds - Online calculator"
horoscopes.astro-seek.com/distribution-directions-through-the-bounds-astrology-calculator


I used this simple method using ascensional (rising) times:


Let’s return to Kurt Cobain. He was born at about 47 North, for latitude, and his Ascendant is Virgo. At the intersection of latitude 47 and the sign Virgo, you will find the ascensional time of 40°29′. Dividing by 30 we get 1°21′ or 1.35°, which is our conversion factor. In other words, while the Ascendant is in Virgo, we pretend that 1° of zodiacal longitude is equivalent to 1.35 years of life (about 1 year, 4 months, and 1 week).

Bounds of Virgo
Kurt’s Ascendant is at 20 Virgo in the bound of Jupiter but the bound switches to that of Mars in a degree, and thus at about age 1 year, 4 months. Mars rules that time in the life until the Ascendant enters the bound of Saturn which starts at 28 Virgo, 8 degrees past the Ascendant. We calculate the entry into the Saturn bound as 8*1.35=10.8 years, or about 10 years and 9 1/2 months of age. In other words, from about age 1 1/2 until almost age 11, Mars is the lord of the time, and will set the tone for events. The Saturn bound lasts for 2 degrees, or 2.7 years (1.35*2=2.7), until he is about 13 1/2. After that point the Ascendant enters the first bound of Libra, which is another Saturn bound.

Bounds of Libra
When entering a new sign we have to find the conversion factor for the new sign. However, in this case it is easy, because Virgo and Libra have the same ascensional times, and thus the same conversion factor. That Mars and Saturn as time lords set the tone during Kurt’s childhood for the other directions is significant, particularly in relation to our speculations about the meaning of the Jupiter and Venus directions above.




Could you please check if everything works correctly?
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I followed this article
www.sevenstarsastrology.com/astrological-predictive-techniques-primary-directions-1-ascensions-bounds/

and finally implemented "Distribution through the Bounds - Online calculator"
horoscopes.astro-seek.com/distribution-directions-through-the-bounds-astrology-calculator


I used this simple method using ascensional (rising) times:


Let’s return to Kurt Cobain. He was born at about 47 North, for latitude, and his Ascendant is Virgo. At the intersection of latitude 47 and the sign Virgo, you will find the ascensional time of 40°29′. Dividing by 30 we get 1°21′ or 1.35°, which is our conversion factor. In other words, while the Ascendant is in Virgo, we pretend that 1° of zodiacal longitude is equivalent to 1.35 years of life (about 1 year, 4 months, and 1 week).

Bounds of Virgo
Kurt’s Ascendant is at 20 Virgo in the bound of Jupiter but the bound switches to that of Mars in a degree, and thus at about age 1 year, 4 months. Mars rules that time in the life until the Ascendant enters the bound of Saturn which starts at 28 Virgo, 8 degrees past the Ascendant. We calculate the entry into the Saturn bound as 8*1.35=10.8 years, or about 10 years and 9 1/2 months of age. In other words, from about age 1 1/2 until almost age 11, Mars is the lord of the time, and will set the tone for events. The Saturn bound lasts for 2 degrees, or 2.7 years (1.35*2=2.7), until he is about 13 1/2. After that point the Ascendant enters the first bound of Libra, which is another Saturn bound.

Bounds of Libra
When entering a new sign we have to find the conversion factor for the new sign. However, in this case it is easy, because Virgo and Libra have the same ascensional times, and thus the same conversion factor. That Mars and Saturn as time lords set the tone during Kurt’s childhood for the other directions is significant, particularly in relation to our speculations about the meaning of the Jupiter and Venus directions above.


Could you please check if everything works correctly?
Thanks kaktuzz
with the proviso that I'm no expert
I intend to check your new feature when time permits
perhaps others as well shall appreciate this new and useful feature
and update you with any observed anomalies
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with the proviso that I'm no expert
I intend to check your new feature when time permits
perhaps others as well shall appreciate this new and useful feature
and update you with any observed anomalies
it would be great
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I finally added also primary directions calculation option into Distribution through the Bounds.


1) Ascensional times are older and more aproximate option
2) Primary directions should be newer and more precise option


"Egyptian bounds & Primary directions & Ptolemy key" settings should now give the same results as the example from Morinus

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Re: Traditional astrology chart - Online calculator

Minor updates again

1) Traditional chart allows birth data entry in seconds precision:
https://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/traditional-astrology

2) New stand-alone Dodecatemoria (Dwadasamsa) D12 chart:
horoscopes.astro-seek.com/dodecatemoria-dwadasamsa-chart-astrology-online-calculator
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Re: Traditional astrology chart - Online calculator

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Minor updates again

1) Traditional chart allows birth data entry in seconds precision:
https://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/traditional-astrology

2) New stand-alone Dodecatemoria (Dwadasamsa) D12 chart:
horoscopes.astro-seek.com/dodecatemoria-dwadasamsa-chart-astrology-online-calculator
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