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When comparing charts with a potential partner and when Juno makes a strong, tight aspect to the others planets or Asc.
or it's ruler, that's an excellent indicator she's the one.

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Hummm, I do see that my Juno is opposite their Venus I think ? That can't be good can it ? Do you see anything in the synastry chart attached below ? My natal is on the inside and theirs on the outside.

We feel so connected to each other and they even called me their soulmate and the person that the more they got to know, the more they fell in love. We both don't understand the connection, but feel it is very strong and important in some ways.
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Hummm, I do see that my Juno is opposite their Venus I think ? That can't be good can it ? Do you see anything in the synastry chart attached below ? My natal is on the inside and theirs on the outside.

We feel so connected to each other and they even called me their soulmate and the person that the more they got to know, the more they fell in love. We both don't understand the connection, but feel it is very strong and important in some ways.
Yes, there are many connections showing a deep committed relationship between you. You want me to list them all? lol

Her Asc. ruler is Saturn and that planet is in your 7th Placidus house system. Your Sun is in her 7th house. You both see each other as an ideal partner.

Saturn shows a sense of responsibility for the partner. Without that the other person will not feel the commitment to them.
Your Juno conj. Saturn, her Asc. ruler. The opposition to Venus shows commitment. Your Saturn/Juno conj. her Midheaven. Her Saturn trines your Moon and makes a sextile to your Asc.

Chiron is considered another sign of marriage. Her Moon makes a conj. to Chiron. Midpoints between Sun and Moon also shows a union between your external and internal needs. Your Sun/Moon midpoint conj. her Sun/Moon midpoint in your 3rd house and her 5th.

I think you found her. :-)

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Yes, there are many connections showing a deep committed relationship between you. You want me to list them all? lol

Her Asc. ruler is Saturn and that planet is in your 7th Placidus house system. Your Sun is in her 7th house. You both see each other as an ideal partner.

Saturn shows a sense of responsibility for the partner. Without that the other person will not feel the commitment to them.
Your Juno conj. Saturn, her Asc. ruler. The opposition to Venus shows commitment. Your Saturn/Juno conj. her Midheaven. Her Saturn trines your Moon and makes a sextile to your Asc.

Chiron is considered another sign of marriage. Her Moon makes a conj. to Chiron. Midpoints between Sun and Moon also shows a union between your external and internal needs. Your Sun/Moon midpoint conj. her Sun/Moon midpoint in your 3rd house and her 5th.

I think you found her. :-)

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This is so beautiful ! Thank you for this birthday gift !!
Honestly, this relationship has been cathartic for both of us and we have been in a space with each other where I don't think others have ever touched. We've both have/had issues with self-worth and authenticity which we finally started to address when we met each other. It's been so painful dealing with their addiction and recovery, but I know we're healing individually. I hope we come back together.

I find it so fascinating seeing the astrology explaining what we are feeling right there. So many of the connections looked bad to my novice astrological brain, but when you explain it it makes more sense ! I will definitely be keeping this thread up-to-date when/if anything happens this year.

Thank you SO much, Moondancing !
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It's not to say you two don't have troubling aspects. You would not have gone through the difficulties you experienced with her if you didn't have them. Or still have if you rekindled the relationship. Love is a mystery. If you decide to make the relationship permanent, you might consider picking a wedding date using astrology. You want good electional chart to start such an endeavor.

Astrologically it's fascinating to see the strong bond that took you across the ocean, withstood very troubling times and still feel the draw to get back together.

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It's not to say you two don't have troubling aspects. You would not have gone through the difficulties you experienced with her if you didn't have them. Or still have if you rekindled the relationship. Love is a mystery. If you decide to make the relationship permanent, you might consider picking a wedding date using astrology. You want good electional chart to start such an endeavor.

Astrologically it's fascinating to see the strong bond that took you across the ocean, withstood very troubling times and still feel the draw to get back together.

Thank you,

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Absolutely. A completely smooth sailing relationship, in my opinion, does not exist. But handling the troubles as smoothly as possible is definitely a choice and achievable. Love definitely is a mystery !

Not to get ahead of myself, but what would you look for in terms of wedding date to have a good electional chart ? With this one, marriage or some type of higher commitment does not seem so out of the way and I've casually asked if I was a guy they'd marry. Each time they immediately said they would and that they strive for a monogamous relationship with me.

Our bond is so powerful and moving. We both believe the universe brought us together for some reason. All I can say is that we've both transformed our lives since meeting each other.
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For marriage, one technique is to look at transits of Chiron making conj, and/or trines to planets Venus, Sun, Jupiter, Neptune and Pluto. Plus you need to take care of hard aspects between these planets on that day or in each other's natal chart. You will always have some clashes and it needs to be weighted with the overall chart/s.

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Interesting ! I need to look into it to see if Chiron will be making any aspects to any of those planets this year. I'm not sure. I wonder if things will suddenly change and then we'll get married within this year. They've messaged me again today to ask if I had a great birthday yesterday.

I decided I will journal for the entirety of my Solar Return year (at least will try to) to see how things develop from one birthday to the next. I never did that before.

Thank you so much Moondancing !!
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Today the transiting Moon is making a sextile to to transiting Venus and Mars conj.
Have to wonder how many people heard from their sweethearts? It's a universal aspect.
That you heard from yours, is significant. :-) It would be to me.

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Today the transiting Moon is making a sextile to to transiting Venus and Mars conj. Have to wonder how many people heard from their sweethearts? It's a universal aspect.
That you heard from yours is significant. :-) It would be to me.

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It was indeed significant because I was not expecting to at all since they decided no contact was best for their recovery and they wanted to focus on themself which I have accepted. Two days in a row is interesting and it seems they are maybe missing me.
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It was indeed significant because I was not expecting to at all since they decided no contact was best for their recovery and they wanted to focus on themself which I have accepted. Two days in a row is interesting and it seems they are maybe missing me.
Enjoy! It can be fleeting. We women can be temperamental. :-)
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It's Day 4 that we've talked and I can feel some shift. They are about to send me a mail explaining what has gone on in the last month. They said that I've been on their mind a lot. I am wondering what is going on in the sky !

This is so fascinating !
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Maybe transiting Venus, Mars, Sun going through your 5th house.

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So we called again today and talked about some difficult things. My emotions were so stable and it was fascinating to observe myself not reacting, but rather responding, to some truths that came out. They keep saying they pray for the day that we can laugh together again and that they are checking an app called The Pattern everyday to see the progress. Interesting they've turned to astrology too in this situation !
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Moondancing, I just read this somewhere about Solar Returns:

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Many times there is even an event exactly three months before the birthday which triggers awareness and signals the beginning of the new solar return. This event is usually very much related to the new solar return and very much out of context with the old one. If you have plans to travel overseas during the three months before your birthday, do not look for the event in the old solar return even if you have been planning to take the trip all year. The old solar return will probably indicate the planning stage, but the new solar return will indicate the trip. The trip itself illustrates change, and since it occurs in the three months before your birthday, it will most likely be indicative of the new solar return chart.
Do you think this is true ? My birthday is 22 August which would make three months before 22 May. I arrived in Amsterdam on 29 May and my person met me at the airport after we had not seen each other for 4 months. Should I look into a Solar Return for Amsterdam in this case ? Maybe I am misunderstanding something in that quote.
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Solar Returns are only drawn for the day the Sun returns to its natal position.
The new solar return they are speaking about is the one for your next birthday.
First you need to determine whether or not the old return shows you going to Amsterdam.
I'll check into it cause I'm curious.

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Solar Returns are only drawn for the day the Sun returns to its natal position.
The new solar return they are speaking about is the one for your next birthday.
First you need to determine whether or not the old return shows you going to Amsterdam.
I'll check into it cause I'm curious.

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After rereading it, it seems that the Solar Return for 2019-2020 would show the Amsterdam trip. I was there during the 2018-2019 Solar Return (the most recent during that time being from the end of November to mid January), but the trips had two distinctly different vibes. Both were centered on meeting the person I've been talking about as well as to do with my creative endeavours and moving.

The 2018 trip was wonderful at the start, but ended in such a devastating way. The 2019 trip was way different in every way. It started in a somewhat tough way and ended beautifully, even if we are in a weird place again.
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Our years overlap each other. What you started with your 2018 return but didn't complete will continue to play out in your new SR. The 2018 SR has your 9th house of foreign affairs on the Asc. and Mars,
ruler of natal 7th and is in the 9th, conjs. the SR Asc. Natal Mars conj. SR Moon/Saturn. Moon is besieged here by malefic planets and speaks to the emotional pain you describe. Plus, N. Mars squares your
Venus showing difficulties in relationships. This is repeated with SR Moon and Mars squaring Venus.

When advancing the SR Asc. it comes to the 11th house in May. House of friends with Jupiter residing there. Natal Jupiter in Pieces is in your 11th, unfortunately rules the difficult houses N. 8th and SR.12th.
The Asc. progresses to Capricorn the end of July where Moon/Saturn/Mars conj and finishes the year off in heartbreak.

This was difficult to write but I wanted to show 2018 describes the event as you have told your story.

Now moving to 2019 SR "My emotions were so stable and it was fascinating to observe myself not reacting". I believe this also shows your SR Venus/Mars conj in the 5th in Virgo.
Subdued, even though the passions run deep I'm sure. :-)

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P.S. 8th/12th are traditionally bad houses but as you have said there can be/has been growth.

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Our years overlap each other. What you started with your 2018 return but didn't complete will continue to play out in your new SR. The 2018 SR has your 9th house of foreign affairs on the Asc. and Mars,
ruler of natal 7th and is in the 9th, conjs. the SR Asc. Natal Mars conj. SR Moon/Saturn. Moon is besieged here by malefic planets and speaks to the emotional pain you describe. Plus, N. Mars squares your
Venus showing difficulties in relationships. This is repeated with SR Moon and Mars squaring Venus.

When advancing the SR Asc. it comes to the 11th house in May. House of friends with Jupiter residing there. Natal Jupiter in Pieces is in your 11th, unfortunately rules the difficult houses N. 8th and SR.12th.
The Asc. progresses to Capricorn the end of July where Moon/Saturn/Mars conj and finishes the year off in heartbreak.

This was difficult to write but I wanted to show 2018 describes the event as you have told your story.

Now moving to 2019 SR "My emotions were so stable and it was fascinating to observe myself not reacting". I believe this also shows your SR Venus/Mars conj in the 5th in Virgo.
Subdued, even though the passions run deep I'm sure. :-)

MD

P.S. 8th/12th are traditionally bad houses but as you have said there can be/has been growth.
Thank you so much, Moondancing ! It's so interesting that you said what you said about ending the year in heartbreak as that's exactly how I thought about things. Not only did I have this break up, but I also had an argument with my dad out of nowhere as well as a bad interaction with a former collaborator/colleague of mine that's foreign. I just remember saying to myself "all of this before my birthday ?" when it was happening. In May I did meet a lot of new people in Amsterdam, all expats actually. Also very interesting that I met this person in May of last year about three months before the new Solar Return year started.

I was definitely more subdued. Not unemotional because I feel the pain in my body when I think about what I was told, but I am not reacting to it. I am curious how this all will continue to play out, though. They said their shrink asked a lot of questions about me and why they decided to end the relationship and my person said it was because they were simply not ready for the relationship yet. Meanwhile, this is what was happening at the end of June/beginning of July and it's just coming out.

Was looking at my Solar Return from last year and Chiron was conjunct my natal moon in the 11th/12th houses. Does that mean that 2018 was about healing old wounds and emotions ? Possibly ones from when Uranus passed over my moon and my mother suddenly died ? Or maybe it pointed to the synastry in a way since my Chiron is conjunct my person's Moon ? I know that I did heal a lot of wounds and emotions surrounding my identity from the last birthday until now.
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Was looking at my Solar Return from last year and Chiron was conjunct my natal moon in the 11th/12th houses. Does that mean that 2018 was about healing old wounds and emotions ? Possibly ones from when Uranus passed over my moon and my mother suddenly died ? Or maybe it pointed to the synastry in a way since my Chiron is conjunct my person's Moon ? I know that I did heal a lot of wounds and emotions surrounding my identity from the last birthday until now.
My information on Chiron came from studying Magi astrology and they had hundreds of charts showing its importance in soul mates, karmic ties, marriage and longevity. Healing aspects of the asteroid has not caught on with me yet.

Interestingly, the Chiron/Moon can show you meeting someone with whom you share a harmonious energy with. It represents the kind of person we want in a committed relationship.

So glad the lines of communication have opened.

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Interesting.
For which partner does it show the kind of person someone wants in a committed relationship ? Is it the Chiron person or the Moon person ?
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I guess what I am wondering is was this person as serious about the relationship and as into me as they claimed to be ?
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I guess what I am wondering is was this person as serious about the relationship and as into me as they claimed to be ?
Excellent question and one she needs to answer to your satisfaction.

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Excellent question and one she needs to answer to your satisfaction.

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Of course, but just wondering who feels the Chiron/Moon aspect more in this situation.
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I've been having some of the strangest dreams with last night's being the ultimate weird dream. I had a dream that I was giving birth. That I was in labour and gave birth to a baby. It was so real and terrifying. I am assuming it has something to do with the new moon today !
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