Compensating for a weak Jupiter
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First step is to find out if you really do have a weak Jupiter, and if its still weak. For that you would need to post a chart or borth data. If your Jupiter is weak, then this is what your sould provided for you in this life, so that you would learn to use planet energies that are strong, and learn in a new way rather than trying to replicate the past.
Natally..... your Jupiter is not weak nor is it of high friction. In fact Jupiter in your chart has the 2nd least friction planet in the chart. It has middle power
Sagittarius is the the 2nd strongest sign and the least friction sign in your chart. The 1st house is at the lower edge of the strength curve, but it has low friction too. Of course natally there is not a lot of friction in any of the houses.
If we look at your secondary progressed chart to see what challenges you might be experiencing now(as opposed to aptitudes and tendencies as shown by the natal chart)..... Its pretty much the same. Sagittarius loses much of its strength, but over all Jupiter is still pretty much as it was at birth.
This is using the well-researched and statistically developed system of Astrodynes.
Whatever you think is bothering you, IMO, you are blaming it on the wrong guy.
Z
P.S. :for more on the Astrodyne system, please go to my website in my signature below and scroll down on the left to ASTRODYNES/COSMODYNES.
Sagittarius is the the 2nd strongest sign and the least friction sign in your chart. The 1st house is at the lower edge of the strength curve, but it has low friction too. Of course natally there is not a lot of friction in any of the houses.
If we look at your secondary progressed chart to see what challenges you might be experiencing now(as opposed to aptitudes and tendencies as shown by the natal chart)..... Its pretty much the same. Sagittarius loses much of its strength, but over all Jupiter is still pretty much as it was at birth.
This is using the well-researched and statistically developed system of Astrodynes.
Whatever you think is bothering you, IMO, you are blaming it on the wrong guy.
Z
P.S. :for more on the Astrodyne system, please go to my website in my signature below and scroll down on the left to ASTRODYNES/COSMODYNES.
Frisiangal
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Who says so?
You have a Moon in Sagittarius, ruler Jupiter. Moon has been there, done it, seen it, bought the video, worn the T-shirt. Jupiter aids in expanding what Moon automatically feels.
Capricorn can give your Jupiter talents the manifested structure to express themselves.
Jupiter is also the natural ' benefic provider of good health'. In the 6th house of physical discomforts, it could be a God send at keeping ill health at a distance(Capricorn!)
I'd also include Sun square Jupiter, which would be significant with Sun in Jupiter's natural 9th house.
What seem like harsh aspects are actually challenges to make something of the soft aspects that can incline one to relax and not bother.
Jupiter can help you 'to do great things'.
M
may28gemini
In general, I don't think there's any way to "compensate" for a debilitated Jupiter (or Saturn) other than to work with whatever well placed planets you have.
The personal planets can be worked on (like detriment Venus or fallen Moon, etc.) because we're in greater touch with those areas of our conscious selves.
There's really no substitute for Jupiter or Saturn because those planets serve as foundations and unless you want to do a complete overhaul which is extremely drastic, I don't think that's going to happen.
In your particular case, I would suggest you use your Mars more as it's the final depositor of your Jupiter.
Cap (Jupiter)> Scorpio (Saturn)> Scorpio (Mars)> domicile Mars
Your Mars is essentially dignified as it is in domicile of Scorpio and is accidentally dignified because it's placed in an angular house (whole signs). Mars is a nocturnal planet and placed below the horizon giving it additional power. The answer to your question of what to do with fallen Jupiter is to utilize your well fortified Mars more often.
I don't believe in wearing Jupiter talismans and all that unless the native actually has a well placed/dignified Jupiter already.
The personal planets can be worked on (like detriment Venus or fallen Moon, etc.) because we're in greater touch with those areas of our conscious selves.
There's really no substitute for Jupiter or Saturn because those planets serve as foundations and unless you want to do a complete overhaul which is extremely drastic, I don't think that's going to happen.
In your particular case, I would suggest you use your Mars more as it's the final depositor of your Jupiter.
Cap (Jupiter)> Scorpio (Saturn)> Scorpio (Mars)> domicile Mars
Your Mars is essentially dignified as it is in domicile of Scorpio and is accidentally dignified because it's placed in an angular house (whole signs). Mars is a nocturnal planet and placed below the horizon giving it additional power. The answer to your question of what to do with fallen Jupiter is to utilize your well fortified Mars more often.
I don't believe in wearing Jupiter talismans and all that unless the native actually has a well placed/dignified Jupiter already.
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demetraceres
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For not to open new thread, may I ask for the similar case - Jupiter in Capricorn, but in the 2nd house, with tense aspects. Capricorn sign is generally considered favourable for material matters, so I don't understand how can it be disfunctional in the 2nd house. The further thing I don't understand is - Jupiter in tense aspects should symbolise exeggeration, and tense aspects from the 2nd house should mean spendthrifting - so how can this corespond to Capricorn sign. Does this placement symbolise a gap between material desires and reality or upbringing?
Could I get any hint from anyone?
Could I get any hint from anyone?
Once again we say(over and over) if you don't post a chart or chart data there is no way to know anything about what you might be talking about---unless you just want the cookbook textbook definitions of one size fits all which is so NOT astrology that you are limited to whatever astrology is in the Ladies Home Journal.
M
may28gemini
Traditionally, Jupiter is home in the 2nd house. However, because your Jupiter is fallen but in his own house... I would consider it something like a wounded animal hiding out in his secret cave and trying to hoard supplies. Ok, maybe that's an exaggerated imagery, but that's what I think of debilitated Jupiter when placed in his home.
M
may28gemini
Jupiter is a masculine and diurnal planet. Your Jupiter is badly debilitated because it's fallen, feminine, nocturnal (below the horizon), and placed in a malefic house.
Jupiter is meant to bonify other planets, and not the other way around. If Jupiter is debilitated/weaken, he cannot uplift the other planets.
Jupiter is meant to bonify other planets, and not the other way around. If Jupiter is debilitated/weaken, he cannot uplift the other planets.
M
may28gemini
As long as T Saturn is in Scorpio and your natal Saturn is in Scorpio, you're going through your Saturn's return. What you meant was that Saturn crossed your chart, and depending on what degree you have, it may be the first of such crossing as Saturn goes retrograde and still has until Sept 2015 to finish his trip through Scorpio.
Don't worry about Jupiter as you cannot change how Jupiter is in your chart. Work with what you've got and do the best you can. That's really all there is.
Harmodynes/Discordynes combination. I call this Friction with the Environment
demetraceres
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Just for clarification. This is the only case I didn't gave an example of my own chart. And it wouldn't be proper to post a chart.
Some time ago I've read a well known astrologer who was explaning the functioning of planets in fall or detriment. She gave an example of Jupiter in Gemini in few charts. With few examples she demonstrated how Jupiter in Gemini in its own house with favorable aspetcs can work just fine, and with similar example but including difficult aspetcs she demonstrated how the life of the native was troubled. This examples did not include observation of the whole chart.
M
may28gemini
Sun and Moon are luminaries which is the "light" that make up the embodiment of the person, but the root foundation lies in Jupiter (spiritual) and Saturn (moral authority). When Sun or Moon or any of the other planets are lacking, a well placed Jupiter and/or Saturn have the power to uplift those planets, however, neither Sun nor Moon have the ability to take on Jupiter or Saturn if the heavyweights are in bad standing.
There's really no way to people to have an essentially dignified Sun other than having it in a Fire sign. Every other sign in Sun's position is peregrine or messed up like Aqua and Libra. The Moon is sensitive, and there's basically only 4 Moon signs that are able to exemplify the Moon's nature (Cancer domicile, Taurus exaltation, Virgo and Pisces are both well aspected to Moon's domicile and exaltation) while the majority of signs in the Moon are either inconjunct or peregrine.
Having well placed luminaries are quite helpful, but those who don't have well placed luminaries (and there will many more of those combos) can be "saved" if their Jupiter and/or Saturn redeems/mitigates the effects.
There are many reasons why people don't overcome afflicted personal planets, but the ability to overcome affliction lies within Jupiter and Saturn's powers, not the luminaries.
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To counter a weak Jupiter:
Jupiter is in the Sixth, the house of Pets.
Keeping an elephant in the house (Jupiter rules elephants) will draw Jupiterian energies toward you. You will need to Think Big with an elephant sharing your bed. The logistics of waste removal and food supply will occupy your time, so you won't be worrying about Jupiter so much.
I keep huge strands of garlic hanging over all windows and doors and there hasn't been a vampire in my house for over 15 years.
There may be an alternative, although I lean toward the elephant. Maybe you could take some positive Jupiterian traits (like compassion, nurture, healing, comfort, protection, advocacy, religious devotion and good works)...you know the litany...and develop and enlarge them, make them habitual (6th of Habits), build their strength within you by exercising them in some practical way (Capricorn, a practical Earth sign) in service of others (6th). But that's a lot of work.
It would be easier to use an amulet though. If you're not fond of elephants and don't want to do all that work serving others, maybe you could fill a tin can with acorns and wear it around your neck. Jupiter rules oak trees and the metal tin....but I bet you can't find a real tin can these days; aluminum would never do.
Jupiter is in the Sixth, the house of Pets.
Keeping an elephant in the house (Jupiter rules elephants) will draw Jupiterian energies toward you. You will need to Think Big with an elephant sharing your bed. The logistics of waste removal and food supply will occupy your time, so you won't be worrying about Jupiter so much.
I keep huge strands of garlic hanging over all windows and doors and there hasn't been a vampire in my house for over 15 years.
There may be an alternative, although I lean toward the elephant. Maybe you could take some positive Jupiterian traits (like compassion, nurture, healing, comfort, protection, advocacy, religious devotion and good works)...you know the litany...and develop and enlarge them, make them habitual (6th of Habits), build their strength within you by exercising them in some practical way (Capricorn, a practical Earth sign) in service of others (6th). But that's a lot of work.
It would be easier to use an amulet though. If you're not fond of elephants and don't want to do all that work serving others, maybe you could fill a tin can with acorns and wear it around your neck. Jupiter rules oak trees and the metal tin....but I bet you can't find a real tin can these days; aluminum would never do.
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Maybe if you have a weak Jupiter, your life is telling you that this is not something you should spend your time with.
Rather than running upstream, your chart tells you where to put your efforts in this life. By putting a fence around Jupiter and saying, "I didn't make this strong for you because I want you to use other energies this time around", your higher self is telling you where to put your time. If you don't do it now, then you waste what real efforts and real support you've been given for this time around's life.
There aren't enough lives for everybody out there. There are 66.6 billion souls waiting to incarnate. You are lucky to have one. Don't waste it doing stuff you were not meant to do.
My opinion, of course.
Rather than running upstream, your chart tells you where to put your efforts in this life. By putting a fence around Jupiter and saying, "I didn't make this strong for you because I want you to use other energies this time around", your higher self is telling you where to put your time. If you don't do it now, then you waste what real efforts and real support you've been given for this time around's life.
There aren't enough lives for everybody out there. There are 66.6 billion souls waiting to incarnate. You are lucky to have one. Don't waste it doing stuff you were not meant to do.
My opinion, of course.