Escape! From the Cult of Materialism

Cap

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CORPORATE Capitalism is the dinosaur due for extinction. FREE MARKET Capitalism is a different animal, and will gradually replace it.

The problem with this view is that corporate capitalism is natural evolution of capitalism because capitalism as a system has a tendency of unequal distribution of wealth. Capitalism would be a perfect system if every business consisted of one person. The moment you have others working for one person (the owner) that person receives more than he actually contributed and people working for him receive less. Maybe 0,1% of businesses are about innovation (and that innovation is coming from scientists who work for paycheck). All other businesses are well established and have been going on for centuries. Entrepreneurs are people with money who are willing to risk it. We have a system that rewards best gamblers.

If we could just reset the system, divide all wealth in the world on equal shares and start free market all over again in 200 years we would have exactly the same situation as today. Concentration of wealth would lead to corporations and corruption of political system (because in today's human society wealth is power).
 
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david starling

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I'm factoring in the change in Ages. Capitalism as it is now is a product of the Capricornian-Age. It's extremely powerful as Ages go, and there's a lot of good with the bad. There's a "sense of Purpose" that is unique to the Age of Capricorn, ironically including the purpose of freeing oneself from the Materialism the Age itself engenders. The Aquarian Age will be one of Facilitation, meaning the ability to solve all the problems that are currently impervious to solutions. Gradually, more and more people will change over, depending on the Chart-placements of the Age Indicator. According to my calculations, the mean (median) point for the fully EFFECTIVE start of the Aquarian paradigm will be in 2149. The first actual entrance into the (Tropical) 0 degree point will occur in 2033. It's mean-motion is Direct, but the "Nutation" caused by the Moon orbiting the Earth swings it back and forth, +/- 2 degrees. So, a very gradual process, until the tipping-point is reached, and then a fast change-over. Meanwhile, it's an Individual matter, and some are ready for the change now, while others will follow later.
 

david starling

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Each Age-sign has its own "Prime-directive". That's what the change-over is really about--letting go of the old and embracing the new. Not an easy process for most.
 

JUPITERASC

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I've changed my mind.

I believe
that there is
a spiritual place
and that there is
more than
the materialistic world
that we live in.
What the spiritual world
consists of, however, I have
no freaking clue.
But I know that
it is there.

Capitalism
and the free market
is still one of
most virtuous systems
we've ever
come up with, despite
all its imperfections.
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JUPITERASC

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The problem with this view is that corporate capitalism is natural evolution of capitalism because capitalism as a system has a tendency of unequal distribution of wealth. Capitalism would be a perfect system if every business consisted of one person. The moment you have others working for one person (the owner) that person receives more than he actually contributed and people working for him receive less. Maybe 0,1% of businesses are about innovation (and that innovation is coming from scientists who work for paycheck). All other businesses are well established and been going on for centuries. Entrepreneurs are people with money who are willing to risk it. We have a system that rewards best gamblers.

If we could just reset the system, divide all wealth in the world on equal shares and start free market all over again in 200 years we would have exactly the same situation as today. Concentration of wealth would lead to corporations and corruption of political system (because in today's human society wealth is power).
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Cap

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I'm factoring in the change in Ages. Capitalism as it is now is a product of the Capricornian-Age. It's extremely powerful as Ages go, and there's a lot of good with the bad. There's a "sense of Purpose" that is unique to the Age of Capricorn, ironically including the purpose of freeing oneself from the Materialism the Age itself engenders. The Aquarian Age will be one of Facilitation, meaning the ability to solve all the problems that are currently impervious to solutions. Gradually, more and more people will change over, depending on the Chart-placements of the Age Indicator. According to my calculations, the mean (median) point for the fully EFFECTIVE start of the Aquarian paradigm will be in 2149. The first actual entrance into the (Tropical) 0 degree point will occur in 2033. It's mean-motion is Direct, but the "Nutation" caused by the Moon orbiting the Earth swings it back and forth, +/- 2 degrees. So, a very gradual process, until the tipping-point is reached, and then a fast change-over. Meanwhile, it's an Individual matter, and some are ready for the change now, while others will follow later.

That change is coming a lot faster, in fact it is already here knocking at our doors. Automation, robotics and 3D printing are such game changers, it is the end of free market as we know it. Once a household has a 3D printer to print out necessary things, a robot to assemble this and do other tasks from service domain (like haircut), an automated food growing home unit and free green energy system (solar or otherwise) in place they won't need to buy anything ever again, they won't need a job or money. They will use materials what they can find in their backyard or in near surroundings. Also, people will share or exchange different materials between themselves as well as blueprints for 3D printing which will be available for download on the internet. We are talking about full individual independence from the system. If my neighbour doesn't have a 3D printer I will print him one using my 3D printer, he just needs to provide materials.

Now, we can do this everyone for themselves or we can organize society for the benefit of everyone because it is more efficient that way. Either way, money and free market are gone forever. Also, all forms of centralized political power will be gone forever because everyone will have the capacity to be self-sufficient at any given moment, the concept of state will become meaningless.
 

david starling

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That change is coming a lot faster, in fact it is already here knocking at our doors. Automation, robotics and 3D printing are such game changers, it is the end of free market as we know it. Once a household has a 3D printer to print out necessary things, a robot to assemble this and do other tasks from service domain (like haircut), an automated food growing home unit and free green energy system (solar or otherwise) in place they won't need to buy anything ever again, they won't need a job or money. They will use materials what they can find in their backyard or in near surroundings. Also, people will share or exchange different materials between themselves as well as blueprints for 3D printing which will be available for download on the internet. We are talking about full individual independence from the system. If my neighbour doesn't have a 3D printer I will print him one using my 3D printer, he just needs to provide materials.

Now, we can do this everyone for themselves or we can organize society for the benefit of everyone because it is more efficient that way. Either way, money and free market are gone forever. Also, all forms of centralized political power will be gone forever because everyone will have the capacity to be self-sufficient at any given moment, the concept of state will become meaningless.

Yes, a functional anarchy is the most likely result of the change-over in Prime Directive. The question is, can it happen non-violently? Free, independent individuals will be able to participate in an interdependent, free-market economy without excessive self-aggrandizement. That's because Materialism will be an outdated way of thinking and behaving.
The transition though--can it be achieved with a minimum amount of violence? The Aquarian Age isn't a magic wand, it's going to take time to become effective on the collective level. Until then, it's an Individualistic affair.
 

Cap

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The transition though--can it be achieved with a minimum amount of violence?

I doubt it. Most governments in the world are acting like nothing is happening. They are completely oblivious to change that is taking place RIGHT NOW. They are either incompetent and stupid people, or they are still living in outdated bubble which is about to blow any second.

Before we arrive at the future that I described, they will have to deal with angry, hungry, homeless mobs who will just fight for their survival, their right to exist. Capitalism has come to its natural end, any attempts to artificially prolong it will lead to disaster.
 

JUPITERASC

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I doubt it. Most governments in the world are acting like nothing is happening. They are completely oblivious to change that is taking place RIGHT NOW.
They are either
incompetent
and
stupid people
or they are still living in outdated bubble
which is about to blow any second.


Before we arrive at the future that I described, they will have to deal with angry, hungry, homeless mobs who will just fight for their survival, their right to exist. Capitalism has come to its natural end, any attempts to artificially prolong it will lead to disaster.


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Cap

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The Mark Twain they didn't teach in school

Most famously, there is Mark Twain, father of American Literature--the figure consciously created by the American literary establishment in the 1940s and 1950s. This Twain is a powerful symbol of the American dream, the spirit of the frontier and westward expansion--he is a nationalist hero.

Yet Twain was one of the most forthright critics of American ruling-class ideology at the turn of the 20th century. Especially toward the end of his life, Twain's published and unpublished writings and speeches are overwhelmingly antiracist, anti-imperialist and revolutionary:

I am said to be a revolutionist in my sympathies, by birth, by breeding and by principle. I am always on the side of the revolutionists, because there never was a revolution unless there were some oppressive and intolerable conditions against which to revolute.

https://socialistworker.org/2010/04/21/the-twain-they-didnt-teach

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JUPITERASC

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Buddhahood can not be attained elsewhere.
If this goal is sought outside oneself
Even the efforts of countless eons
Will fail to bear any fruit.
Search not, strive not :smile:
Let your mind rest in its natural state.

~ Machig Labdron



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JUPITERASC

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Just as our body

needs nutritious food
for health
the mind needs
the nutritious food of wisdom
and
compassion.
However :smile:
just as our body will become ill
if it is fed poison
the mind will become ill
if it is fed the poison
of ignorance, anger, and desire.
~ Chamtrul Rinpoche




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JUPITERASC

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Dalai Lama
The very purpose
of spirituality
is
self-discipline.
Rather than criticizing others :smile:
we should evaluate
and criticize ourselves.
Ask yourself
what am I doing about my anger
my attachment
my pride
my jealousy?
These are the things
we should check
in our day to day lives.


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JUPITERASC

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To live as equals with others

requires a wide range of experience.
The wise have much experience
and fools have little.
To gain experience
you need to go through good and bad times.
How can you grow if your experiences are always the same?
Anything that happens, good or bad, can be constructive in the end
as long as you learn something useful from it :smile:
So when you face difficulties, don't feel too bad!
17th Karmapa from the book "The Future Is Now:

Timely Advice for Creating a Better World"






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