Dealing with a sexual addiction \ Fixed Grand Cross

Ragged Robin

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EDIT: The friend, about whom this post was all about, asked me to delete his information. I apologize to the members of this forum for this, for living the void on the previous structure herein built. Please forgive me, but I couldn't keep the info here since I don't have his permission anymore. Even considering some of it was quoted by the other members, I had to delete what I could. Again, I'm sorry.

To the helpful members that helped, I want to thank you very much. I'm not sure he will make the best decisions, but I managed to help him a little, at least he's not so lost and desperate anymore.

About myself, I'm dealing with my own issues now, and I'm less nuts.

Thank you very much.
 
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Zarathu

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Re: Chart of a person addicted to sex

Suppose we were to be able to make suggestions, what makes you think he would be able to follow them, if he was unable to follow suggestions when he was working with a psychologist one-to-one?

And when you say he's addicted to sex, I hate to belabor the point, but you haven't made it very clear as to how this is ruining his life. Does HE think this is ruining his life or do certain others, who have perhaps very strict religious views, feel that it is ruining his life? I'm not sure I understand what is happening here, and for something as significant as this, more information is needed.

Also, for privacy sake you have removed the critical data that makes up the chart, and to answer your questions(if I should think I can after getting more information), I would need to generate the chart myself. So perhaps you could PM the birth data to me.
 

Ragged Robin

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Re: Chart of a person addicted to sex

Suppose we were to be able to make suggestions, what makes you think he would be able to follow them, if he was unable to follow suggestions when he was working with a psychologist one-to-one?

And when you say he's addicted to sex, I hate to belabor the point, but you haven't made it very clear as to how this is ruining his life. Does HE think this is ruining his life or do certain others, who have perhaps very strict religious views, feel that it is ruining his life? I'm not sure I understand what is happening here, and for something as significant as this, more information is needed.

Also, for privacy sake you have removed the critical data that makes up the chart, and to answer your questions(if I should think I can after getting more information), I would need to generate the chart myself. So perhaps you could PM the birth data to me.

Thank you for your answer.

I'll do my best to clarify.

First, imagine that your entire system of education had been planned no to teach, but make you comply with the ideology of some political group; imagine, further, that you could finish your course on the university without reading any book at all and without even knowing how to write properly. This is our reality here. This is the kind of education most of your psychologists had, so you can understand the kind of thing they gave us. Reading Eros and Civilization will give you most of they will tell you. I wouldn't trust one of them and I know he wouldn't.

Religion here is seem as something retrograde, at least; our ethos here says that we have to "the only reason for working is to get you money for having pleasure", discipline here is seem as some ancient thing to avoid; not getting drunk (or close to it) often, and, worse, not trying to be the new Don Juan if you're a man, is the different here. What the "ruining his life" mean is that it makes him weak, his body and his mind, makes him dirty, also in his body and mind — he craves for dirty stuff that damages his mental health by imagination and he health if he actually finds the kind of people who would help him with this —; he's the kind of individual that makes the studies and knowledge a central aspect of his life, and this addiction makes his mind slow, less clever, and the readings harder to grasp; this addiction makes his depressive, takes from him his will power and his will to keep following. It creates, inside and outside him, a dirty environment, a breeding ground for crippling thoughts and low energies.

(He's a good person, in my opinion, and fight this urges. He also has some strict rules that he have established deep inside his mind: he never tried to force anyone to do anything, nor he would, ever — this I'm sure. And the nature of the situation is so that he kind of person that attracts this bad part of his is the wicked kind. He met some good girls in the past and they did wonders to him, but we have more of the wicked kind here. He's smart, and this is actually bad in some cases: he's smart enough to find the kind of person who can gives the kind of satisfaction his urges crave for. I'm telling this so you don't think he's some kind of criminal or psycho; this is not the case. The only foul he's doing is against himself, privately.)

I'll provide you with the information you need.

Thank you very much.
 

Zarathu

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Re: Chart of a person addicted to sex

I'm sorry. I don't think I know how to assist you here.

I'm still unsure of what he could be doing if he's not harming anyone, but at the same time, I'm pretty sure I don't want to know. Your original label seems pretty severe.

I won't be sharing any of the information you sent me privately and I have deleted it.

I hope someone can assist you with this issue. Unfortunately, it cannot be me.

Good Luck to you.

Z
 

Ragged Robin

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Re: Chart of a person addicted to sex

I'm sorry. I don't think I know how to assist you here.

I'm still unsure of what he could be doing if he's not harming anyone, but at the same time, I'm pretty sure I don't want to know. Your original label seems pretty severe.

I won't be sharing any of the information you sent me privately and I have deleted it.

I hope someone can assist you with this issue. Unfortunately, it cannot be me.

Good Luck to you.

Z
He's harming himself. He's compulsively thinking about things, or masturbating, or just relating with nasty women; this doesn't happen because he really wants to do it, but because he feels a strong pull for doing so, he can't help it. The label I used was the same he uses to describe himself and the situation — it was also a literary reference. Have you ever watch that French movie, L'homme qui aimait les femmes? If you did, or if you do, you will know what I am talking about. The problem here is someone having a strong urge coming from sexual energies that he cannot control and that, because of this, are consuming his life and will. The only thing I want to do for him is to understand the situation so we can find ways of dealing with this.

But you did try to think about the situation and consider helping us, it was most obliging and more than I could hope. I thank you very much, Zarathu. I will keep reading and studying; I have my own problems here and, for him and for me, I will do my best.

Thank you very much, again.
 

Ragged Robin

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Re: Chart of a person addicted to sex

Sorry about bumping this topic, but I'm afraid it will soon get buried. I have edited the first post so it got brief and clearer, because I'm not good in writing things and I thought that maybe people didn't answer because they got confused or because they thought this was already answered. It did not. If someone can please answer, it will be a nice gesture, and will be most helpful!

P.S.: MR MODERATOR: Could you please change this topic's title to "Dealing with a sexual addiction \ Fixed Grand Cross"? This would make it more clear. Can you? I hope you can. Thank you very much.
 

mdinaz

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Re: Chart of a person addicted to sex

Wow, that's a difficult chart. Not only is mars opposite pluto, but square saturn and square venus also. Mars also has trines to uranus and neptune, and mars in the 8th house to boot, and venus opposite saturn too.

Repost the chart but add the vertex, part of fortune, and the four main asteroids, plus aspect lines to all. Astro.com can do this. With the information in the original chart I see no outlet for the energies but the other points may shed some light.
 

JUPITERASC

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Re: Chart of a person addicted to sex

Sorry about bumping this topic, but I'm afraid it will soon get buried. I have edited the first post so it got brief and clearer, because I'm not good in writing things and I thought that maybe people didn't answer because they got confused or because they thought this was already answered. It did not. If someone can please answer, it will be a nice gesture, and will be most helpful!

P.S.: MR MODERATOR: Could you please change this topic's title to "Dealing with a sexual addiction \ Fixed Grand Cross"? This would make it more clear. Can you? I hope you can. Thank you very much.
To message moderator for any reason :smile:

click the button at top right of the post you wish to discuss that looks like this
 

Zarathu

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Re: Chart of a person addicted to sex

Sorry about bumping this topic, but I'm afraid it will soon get buried. I have edited the first post so it got brief and clearer, because I'm not good in writing things and I thought that maybe people didn't answer because they got confused or because they thought this was already answered. It did not. If someone can please answer, it will be a nice gesture, and will be most helpful!

P.S.: MR MODERATOR: Could you please change this topic's title to "Dealing with a sexual addiction \ Fixed Grand Cross"? This would make it more clear. Can you? I hope you can. Thank you very much.

If you want something changed, you need to contact a moderator directly. They do not read every post, and only when you click on the little red explanation mark in the upper right side of the posts, do they know something has to be done.
 

Ragged Robin

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Re: Chart of a person addicted to sex

To message moderator for any reason :smile:

click the button at top right of the post you wish to discuss that looks like this

By clicking on that button we're warned like this: "Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising messages, copyright breaches and otherwise problematic posts (harassment, fighting or rude)." I will send a personal message to the moderator instead.

Thank you for your advice, and you too, Mr Zarathu.

Wow, that's a difficult chart. Not only is mars opposite pluto, but square saturn and square venus also. Mars also has trines to uranus and neptune, and mars in the 8th house to boot, and venus opposite saturn too.

Repost the chart but add the vertex, part of fortune, and the four main asteroids, plus aspect lines to all. Astro.com can do this. With the information in the original chart I see no outlet for the energies but the other points may shed some light.

I have just finished editing and posting the chart with the changes you suggested. It looks just like a war zone now, so I'm kinda worried. I hope you can help me. Thank you very much for your attention! :smile:
 
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ashriia

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Hi,

I think even with the best psychologists helping someone with sexual addiction it's still a day to day struggle. There is no cure for sexual addiction. With mars in the 8th in venus ruled Taurus and the taurean qualities of overindulgence, sensuality and pleasure in the house of sex and death and a part of a fixed grand cross. He could learn methods of curbing some of his behaviors with professional help but I don't think astrology is going to be able to help him with that one. It's just like being bipolar or having an addiction to drugs. The problem is still going to be there no matter how much insight or astrological awareness of the problem is seen in the chart. you know what I mean?

and also people have to want to change themselves, for themselves. Usually they do this after losing everything... anyone with addiction will tell you that. It's great that you want to help him. But he has to want to help himself enough to seek out better psychologists, counselors. They can't all be bad in your country/location.

best of luck.
 

Ragged Robin

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Hi,

I think even with the best psychologists helping someone with sexual addiction it's still a day to day struggle. There is no cure for sexual addiction. With mars in the 8th in venus ruled Taurus and the taurean qualities of overindulgence, sensuality and pleasure in the house of sex and death and a part of a fixed grand cross. He could learn methods of curbing some of his behaviors with professional help but I don't think astrology is going to be able to help him with that one. It's just like being bipolar or having an addiction to drugs. The problem is still going to be there no matter how much insight or astrological awareness of the problem is seen in the chart. you know what I mean?

and also people have to want to change themselves, for themselves. Usually they do this after losing everything... anyone with addiction will tell you that. It's great that you want to help him. But he has to want to help himself enough to seek out better psychologists, counselors. They can't all be bad in your country/location.<br />

best of luck.
Hello there.

I believe it's safe to say he has a strong sexual nature, indeed, and that this won't change; I really know what you mean. However, I do believe that all this energy, besides of being stagnated and consuming himself inside out or being dissipated by overindulgence, could be redirected and transformed, providing we find new forms of expression for them. I think that by studying his map as a whole we can see ways of doing this.

About wanting help... he's actually trying to do whatever he can. For someone like he is, just agreeing with me posting this here shows a great deal about how he's willing to change this, trust me. And, yes, we actually have some psychologists and counselors, but it's just anything else related to health on this place: there's plenty of bad ones to find, and only a few good, but the latter cost fortunes! On places like this, we still have some rich persons (mostly related to the government in some way), and THEY won't go to a hospital to wait for two days to receive some medication that can kill them; they can go with the best, as I and my friend also can't.

He's smart. His Jupiter/Ascendant in Virgo, Moon/North Node in Sagittarius, and his strong Mercury in Lion (affected how it is) always made the solutions to this kind of problem come in an intellectual fashion. Anyway, we're doing our best. Your words were helpful and it was very kind of you contributing.

Thank you VERY much! :smile:
 

Zarathu

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OK.... I still don't think I can help.

However, I'm still not sure that I understand exactly how the things you have described are hurting him. I understand that there are multiple religious view which claim that doing these things(apparently self erotic stuff(there is a limit to how many times he can do that of course), looking at pornography, talking to hot looking ladies) dangers their eternal soul or other things like that. I know that the significant other's of some guys find these things objectionable for usually unspecified reasons, but often religious, because some religious script says it is sin.

However, I would like to have you explain how these things are specifically harmful to him---beyond it being a Sin in some religious circles. By the way there are just as many religious circles that don't find these behaviors sinful, just counter productive to other things in life.

Is he doing these things so much that he cannot work, he cannot go to school he cannot eat? Please be specific about how these things are actually harmful---to him. Some of these product could be harmful to others, such as consumption of illegal kiddie parn, which is a horrible violent thing to be done to a child, or other kinds of parn where the females are not in a voluntary event---in these cases, the consumption is actually harmful to others. And of course if he's spending time with prostitutes, he's essentially co-dependent for their illegal activities(unless he's in Nevada where its licensed).

Just like to know specifics, please.

And its none of my business, but you are a friend. You seem like more than that considering your concern, or you have a religious view that is trying to "save" him. Since he's not shared anything about this, I'm wondering whether its really an issue for him, or just for you.

I'm sorry if I am asking too personal a set of questions. If so, please ignore this.
 

poyi

Premium Member
Hi

Do you know if you ex boyfriend have any unusual relationship with his own mother or during his childhood, any sexually related things happened?
 

poyi

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8th house Mars as the ruler of the house in Taurus, Venus in Cancer, Moon in Sagittarius at IC quincunx Venus in Cancer 11th, Jupiter in Mercury 12th house ruler of 4th, Moon.

Ruler of Jupiter and ruler of ascendant, Mercury, in 11th quincunx Uranus and Neptune both in Rx.

Ruler of Uranus and Neptune, Saturn in 5th ruler of the 5th Rx, mutual reception between Uranus Rx and Saturn Rx. Saturn Rx received reception from Neptune, Neptune 7th house ruler. Sun opposition Neptune.

Uranus ruler of Saturn and ruler of 6th house, Uranus along with Neptune being in 4th house opposition to Sun in 10th, ruler of Mercury.

North node in 4th house.
 

Ragged Robin

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Hi

Do you know if you ex boyfriend have any unusual relationship with his own mother or during his childhood, any sexually related things happened?
Hello there, poyi.

I don't have any reason to believe he had (or has). For what I know, they get along with each other quite well; more specifically, I don't think he ever had unusual feelings for her.

Thank you for coming by. :joyful:

OK.... I still don't think I can help.

However, I'm still not sure that I understand exactly how the things you have described are hurting him. I understand that there are multiple religious view which claim that doing these things(apparently self erotic stuff(there is a limit to how many times he can do that of course), looking at pornography, talking to hot looking ladies) dangers their eternal soul or other things like that. I know that the significant other's of some guys find these things objectionable for usually unspecified reasons, but often religious, because some religious script says it is sin.

However, I would like to have you explain how these things are specifically harmful to him---beyond it being a Sin in some religious circles. By the way there are just as many religious circles that don't find these behaviors sinful, just counter productive to other things in life.

Is he doing these things so much that he cannot work, he cannot go to school he cannot eat? Please be specific about how these things are actually harmful---to him. Some of these product could be harmful to others, such as consumption of illegal kiddie parn, which is a horrible violent thing to be done to a child, or other kinds of parn where the females are not in a voluntary event---in these cases, the consumption is actually harmful to others. And of course if he's spending time with prostitutes, he's essentially co-dependent for their illegal activities(unless he's in Nevada where its licensed).

Just like to know specifics, please.

And its none of my business, but you are a friend. You seem like more than that considering your concern, or you have a religious view that is trying to "save" him. Since he's not shared anything about this, I'm wondering whether its really an issue for him, or just for you.

I'm sorry if I am asking too personal a set of questions. If so, please ignore this.

Zarathu, hello!

My friend would describe himself as a "model Agnostic", so he's not concerned with sin. He uses to evaluate his action by the things he want to accomplish, in the way that "good" is what gets him closer to his objectives, and "bad" what keeps him from getting to them. It doesn't have to do with any sacred book etc.

Religious belief or not, his experience shows that this this addiction (or however we may call it) weights on his cognitive capabilities: it makes his mind slower, it makes it more difficult to focus and concentrate, to understand what he's reading etc. Someone may think this as a minus abhorrence, but, since he's an intellectual kind of person, since his objectives all have to do with studies and learning, this is the equivalent of a knee fracture to a fighter — I mean, it's something that gets in the way of his vocation.

Of course it can be a problem in many other ways. If he's on some lecture, or at some class, it can be very hard to concentrate when he's almost burning inside with desire and lustful images; it's a problem on his job, also, since he work with accounts and numbers (which require a acute and active mind) and he sometimes get late because of spending an entire night satisfying his urges and getting so tired that, even awake, he can't move from the bed — or just can't help but satisfying himself one more time (or some times more) until the last minute before going to work.

He's not the kind of person who would force his way of living (be that any way at all) on other individuals, and he hates the ones who does that. He despises anyone who does evil against innocent people, and would certainly be a danger to someone who would hurt a child in his presence. Like I said, he IS a good individual; his foul is against himself, only, and the only people he hurts besides himself are the ones who like him and see that he's struggling with some kind of pain. (And NO, he's not into anything illegal and I don't think he likes the idea of someone having sex with him for money — something which, as some other morally dubious things in our happy country, is perfectly legal.)

More than a friend? Maybe, yes! I was his girlfriend. I don't care about sin more than he does, and I'm surely not trying to save his soul. What I see is a friend struggling with his problems, and if I can help, I will help. See, I am crazy, I am nuts; I have my own problems and I know how it feels to be locked inside myself. If you lived in hunger for years, wouldn't you do your best to help someone who came hungry to your door asking for some food, even if you had not that much to give? This is it. He asked for help, and I will like to do anything I can to help. And if you want to know, I do feel a little guilty for not being with him anymore. There you go.

Thank you for your answer. :smile:
 

poyi

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Hello there, poyi.

I don't have any reason to believe he had (or has). For what I know, they get along with each other quite well; more specifically, I don't think he ever had unusual feelings for her.

Thank you for coming by. :joyful:

Hmmm...thank you. I guess it will either be never was an issue or he won't tell you. Anyway, hopefully we can see more as the thread goes.:lol:
 

Ragged Robin

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Hmmm...thank you. I guess it will either be never was an issue or he won't tell you. Anyway, hopefully we can see more as the thread goes.:lol:
Well, he always thought as plain idiocy Freud's (I guess...?) opinions about every man having sexual feelings for his mother during childhood. Sometimes we talked about when we were children, and from his comments about his family's life it seems to have been quite normal — of course our "normal" includes many difficulties common here in our country. Maybe there were influences not consciously perceived, but otherwise... I doubt that. But anyways!
 
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