Ancient astrologers didn't all look at the sky to make astro charts

Bunraku

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There's this impression that they're always so deep brooding and mysterious pondering and looking at the sky at night to make charts or whatever. And how we lost touch and connection with the sky and need to look outside more (probably to waste our time and get a cold)

No, they had tables and ephemeris like we did lol. :lol:
 

JUPITERASC

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There's this impression that they're always so deep brooding
and mysterious pondering and looking at the sky at night
to make charts or whatever.
And how we lost touch and connection with the sky
and need to look outside more

(probably to waste our time and get a cold)

No, they had tables and ephemeris like we did lol. :lol:
Hilariously

Ancient astronomer astrologers tables and ephermerides
were produced by

notation of their visual observation of local skies
:smile:
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Bunraku

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Hilariously

Ancient astronomer astrologers tables and ephermerides
were produced by

notation of their visual observation of local skies :smile:







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Why do you all want us to go out at night time so bad? So we can be stabbed or kidnapped? Get pneumonia? :annoyed:
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JUPITERASC

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Why do you all want us to go out at night time so bad?

So we can be stabbed or kidnapped? Get pneumonia? :annoyed:
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Hidden inscriptions offer new clues to the origins
of a mysterious astronomical mechanism


DECODING THE ANTIKYTHERA MECHANISM - THE FIRST COMPUTER

After 2,000 years under the sea, the sight is stunning.
Close inspection shows traces of technology that appear utterly modern:
gears with neat triangular teeth (just like the inside of a clock)
and a ring divided into degrees (like the protractor you used in school).
Nothing else like this has ever been discovered from antiquity.
Nothing as sophisticated, or even close, appears again for more than a thousand years

AND

Solely because of a belief that ancient people couldn’t possibly build a device so complex :smile:
some claim Antikythera Mechanism is a hoax .

BUT

The Antikythera Mechanism Research Project stated
that an examination at the National Archaeological Museum in Athens
has found that the device is not a hoax.


http://www.smithsonianmag.com/histo...first-computer-180953979/#0xThJo2zHQ44I2HR.99



antikythera-mechanism-gearing.gif
 

Bunraku

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Please, don't act like we all don't get our chart info from Astro.com instant chart generator or solarfire lol
 

Bunraku

Well-known member
They probably had Papyrus5000 or something. Or went to the library and let a calculator do it or something.
 

Bunraku

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JA the issue I have with that is that it is stripping its Astrological use. It's not astronomy its for ASTROLOGY.
 

JUPITERASC

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JA the issue I have with that is
that it is stripping its Astrological use.

It's not astronomy its for ASTROLOGY.
Ancient astrologoers necessarily were astronomers



'......Cicero wrote of a bronze device
made by Archimedes in the third century B.C.
And James Evans, a historian of astronomy at the University of Puget Sound in Tacoma, Washington
thinks that the eclipse cycle represented is Babylonian in origin
and begins in 205 B.C
.
Maybe it was Hipparchus, an astronomer in Rhodes around that time
who worked out the math behind the device.
He is known for having blended the arithmetic-based predictions of Babylonians
with geometric theories favored by the Greeks
.
...'


The Antithykera Mechanism
is by far the most advanced piece of ancient technology ever discovered
is older than we thought
and
not quite as Greek as we thought either
. :smile:
Researchers think they have identified a particular solar eclipse
predicted by the device's complex cycle of astronomical calculations
which can find the location of the Sun and Moon, the phase of the Moon
and possibly the positions of the planets for any given day.
Christian Carman, a science historian at the National University of Quilmes in Argentina
and James Evans, a physicist at the University of Puget Sound in Washington
reached their conclusions by comparing the mechanism's eclipse predictions
found on the Saros dial
with records from Babylon.
That gave them the cosmological clockwork's start date
12 May 205BC
more than a century earlier than originally thought :smile:
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Bunraku

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'......Cicero wrote of a bronze device
made by Archimedes in the third century B.C.
And James Evans, a historian of astronomy at the University of Puget Sound in Tacoma, Washington
thinks that the eclipse cycle represented is Babylonian in origin
and begins in 205 B.C
.
Maybe it was Hipparchus, an astronomer in Rhodes around that time
who worked out the math behind the device.
He is known for having blended the arithmetic-based predictions of Babylonians
with geometric theories favored by the Greeks
.
...'


The Antithykera Mechanism
is by far the most advanced piece of ancient technology ever discovered
is older than we thought
and
not quite as Greek as we thought either
. :smile:
Researchers think they have identified a particular solar eclipse
predicted by the device's complex cycle of astronomical calculations
which can find the location of the Sun and Moon, the phase of the Moon
and possibly the positions of the planets for any given day.
Christian Carman, a science historian at the National University of Quilmes in Argentina
and James Evans, a physicist at the University of Puget Sound in Washington
reached their conclusions by comparing the mechanism's eclipse predictions
found on the Saros dial
with records from Babylon.
That gave them the cosmological clockwork's start date
12 May 205BC
more than a century earlier than originally thought :smile:
.

I hate it when Academia tries to diss astrology. They probably say astronomy because if it was astrology then there wouldn't be funding for its study.
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
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The Antithykera Mechanism
is by far

the most advanced piece of ancient technology
ever discovered :smile:


The new dating adds an additional twist to arguments
over which of the early Greek scientists, Hipparchus, Posidonius
or
according to the Roman scholar Cicero
Archimedes, might have been involved in its manufacture.
because
It is just seven years after Archimedes died

at the hands of a Roman soldier during the sacking of Syracuse
though whether this makes a direct link more or less likely
depends on whom you ask.




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Humanitarian

Well-known member
There's this impression that they're always so deep brooding and mysterious pondering and looking at the sky at night to make charts or whatever. And how we lost touch and connection with the sky and need to look outside more (probably to waste our time and get a cold)

No, they had tables and ephemeris like we did lol. :lol:
They don't use ephemerides, but they use the sky to calculate the sidereal zodiac, then find the Age Marker then calculate the difference between tropical zodiac and sidereal zodiac to convert sidereal degrees to tropical degrees
 

JUPITERASC

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They don't use ephemerides, but they use the sky to calculate the sidereal zodiac,

The visible sky IS sidereal :)
The ancients OBSERVED their local skies visually


i.e.
Ancient astronomer astrologers "..tables and ephermerides.."

were of the seven visible planets
& were produced by
notation of their visual observation of local skies


then find the Age Marker

Not in ancient astrology
That's a modernistic idea

The difference is

that one can practice "..traditional.." astrology without using "..modern.." techniques,
but
one cannot practice "..modern.." astrology without using "..traditional.." techniques
.
:)


then calculate the difference between tropical zodiac
and sidereal zodiac

Two thousand years ago there was no difference

to convert sidereal degrees to tropical degrees

That's modernistic theory

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  1. Mathematical Calculations: They employed complex mathematical calculations based on planetary positions and celestial events, often without the need for direct sky observations.
  2. Astronomical Records: Some ancient civilizations, like the Babylonians, maintained meticulous astronomical records, which they used for astrological chart calculations.
  3. Astrolabes and Instruments: Astrologers utilized tools like astrolabes and other instruments to aid in celestial measurements and calculations.
  4. Ephemerides: They consulted ephemerides, tables detailing planetary positions over time, to construct charts.
  5. Observations and Symbolism: While they considered celestial events, astrologers also incorporated symbolic interpretations and ancient wisdom into their charts, reflecting cultural and philosophical influences on astrology.
 
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