Black Lives Matter, Marxist?

Dirius

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Patrisse Cullors, co-founder of BLM:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pyhy4IvkENg

"We do have an ideological frame. Myself and Alicia in particular are trained organizers. We are trained marxists. We are super versed on ideological theories. And what we are trying to do is create a movement which can be utilized by many many black folks.".

(the Alicia she refers to, is Alicia Garza, the other co-founder of BLM).

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Please explain why my post was "racist" waybread.
 

waybread

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Re: Aunt on Facebook

Marxism? Oh, great.

Back in the 1950s, this fear-mongering and hysteria about Marxism was called the "red scare," back when the color red was associated with the USSR.

Nowadays, the color red is associated with the Republican party.

Any broad grass roots movement will have ideologues of one persuasion or another.

In a free society, diversity of political beliefs is tolerated. In the US, it's enshrined in the First Amendment to the Constitution.

I call the police kneeling on a Black man's neck for nine minutes, killing him, an egregious form of violence.
 

waybread

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Re: Aunt on Facebook

So you can't even explain why my post was "racist".

Otherwise you would have.

That is two times you've deflected the question already.

Again, why is my post "racist" waybread?

Do your homework first.

You haven't even read the link I posted for you.

Think about how a charge of "racism" has an historical context.

Otherwise it's not worth my time to spend pages bringing you up to speed so that we can have this conversation.
 

Dirius

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Re: Aunt on Facebook

Marxism? Oh, great.

Back in the 1950s, this fear-mongering and hysteria about Marxism was called the "red scare," back when the color red was associated with the USSR.

Nowadays, the color red is associated with the Republican party.

Any broad grass roots movement will have ideologues of one persuasion or another.

In a free society, diversity of political beliefs is tolerated. In the US, it's enshrined in the First Amendment to the Constitution.

I call the police kneeling on a Black man's neck for nine minutes, killing him, an egregious form of violence.

So you agree that BLM is indeed a marxist movement. Good.

Run by professional activists, who belong to a marxist ideology.
 

AppLeo

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I remember looking at the BLM website a few years ago, and there was a lot socialist stuff all over it.
 

Dirius

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Re: Aunt on Facebook

Do your homework first.

You haven't even read the link I posted for you.

Think about how a charge of "racism" has an historical context.

Otherwise it's not worth my time to spend pages bringing you up to speed so that we can have this conversation.

Third time you've deflected the question.

But don't worry, I'm gonna give you another opportunity, don't be shy! Show us your prowess!

Why was my post "racist" waybread? I'm sure you can come up with something.
 

waybread

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Dirius, stop trying to bully me.

I did not say that Black Lives Matter was a Marxist movement. You did.

Are some self-proclaimed Marxists part of the movement? No doubt. Is this the primary thrust of the millions of people who believe Black lives matter? Of course not.

The First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States guarantees freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and the right to peaceful assembly.

The cost of a free society will be some people espousing political ideologies that bother you mightily.
 

waybread

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Re: Aunt on Facebook

Third time you've deflected the question.

But don't worry, I'm gonna give you another opportunity, don't be shy! Show us your prowess!

Why was my post "racist" waybread? I'm sure you can come up with something.

Third time you've declined to educate yourself on the recent history of oppression of African Americans. It's like trying to explain calculus to someone who never bothered to go beyond 6th grade arithmetic.

Three strikes and you're out.
 

Dirius

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Dirius, stop trying to bully me.

I did not say that Black Lives Matter was a Marxist movement. You did.

Are some self-proclaimed Marxists part of the movement? No doubt. Is this the primary thrust of the millions of people who believe Black lives matter? Of course not.

The First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States guarantees freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and the right to peaceful assembly.

The cost of a free society will be some people espousing political ideologies that bother you mightily.

Founders of the movement are marxists, professional activists, and said they have created a movement based around their ideology.

This means BLM is a marxist movemenet.

You denied this. I provided evidence supporting my claim.

You are using a strawman argument waybread.

I am not questioning their right to exist, or their right to believe in marxist theory. This is just your strawman argument.

I'm just pointing out the type of ideology they have, which is a marxist ideology.

But it is good you've now learned they are marxists.
 
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Dirius

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Re: Aunt on Facebook

Third time you've declined to educate yourself on the recent history of oppression of African Americans. It's like trying to explain calculus to someone who never bothered to go beyond 6th grade arithmetic.

Three strikes and you're out.

Fourth time you've deflected my question waybread. No need to be shy!

I love that now I'm also a "bully" - for simply asking you to explain your point.

But don't worry!

Giving you another opportunity!

Explain to me why my post was "racist" please.
 
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blackbery

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Did you even try to understand their agenda or are more interested in calling people racist when you owe an apology to Dirius. Are you aware of where the millions of dollars raised is going? Guns? Dynamite? Sub-marine guns which the fundraiser was convicted of.:unsure:


Alicia Garza, one of three co-founders of the Black Lives Matter national organization, has repeatedly talked about how convicted cop killer and wanted domestic terrorist Joanne Chesimard, also known as Assata Shakur, is one of her main inspirations. Susan Rosenberg, a member of the board of directors for the left-wing Thousand Currents group, which handles the intake of donations made to Black Lives Matter, is a convicted terrorist who, among other things, was suspected of helping Shakur escape from prison.

Rosenberg, who was listed as the vice chairwoman of the board of directors for Thousand Currents until the webpage was pulled down this week, as first reported by the Capital Research Center, had been a member of the radical leftist revolutionary militant group known as the May 19th Communist Organization, affiliated with the Weather Underground terrorist group and other radicals. She was convicted on weapons and explosives charges and sentenced to 58 years in prison, serving 16 years before being pardoned by President Bill Clinton in January 200

Alicia Garza, one of three co-founders of the Black Lives Matter national organization, has repeatedly talked about how convicted cop killer and wanted domestic terrorist Joanne Chesimard, also known as Assata Shakur, is one of her main inspirations. Susan Rosenberg, a member of the board of directors for the left-wing Thousand Currents group, which handles the intake of donations made to Black Lives Matter, is a convicted terrorist who, among other things, was suspected of helping Shakur escape from prison.


BLM, which is not a 501(c)(3) charitable group, uses an IRS-approved 501(c)(3) organization — Thousand Currents — as its fiscal sponsor, and so donations made on the BLM website through the left-wing ActBlue donation platform go to Thousand Currents, which says it then distributes.

Rosenberg was a radical in the 1960s and 1970s who landed on the FBI’s Most Wanted List for a number of suspected crimes and was nabbed in 1984 while unloading from her car and into a New Jersey storage unit hundreds of pounds of dynamite along with weapons, including a sub-machine gun


https://www.newsbreak.com/news/0PQp...domestic-terrorist-who-worked-with-bill-ayers





Dirius, stop trying to bully me.

I did not say that Black Lives Matter was a Marxist movement. You did.

Are some self-proclaimed Marxists part of the movement? No doubt. Is this the primary thrust of the millions of people who believe Black lives matter? Of course not.

The First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States guarantees freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and the right to peaceful assembly.

The cost of a free society will be some people espousing political ideologies that bother you mightily.
 

blackbery

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They don't advertise their violent agenda to overthrow the government but they admire domestic terrorists, cop killers and have a few killers on their payroll.
When people realize they are funding a terrorist organization, the funds will dry up so they put on a 'front' of being a peaceful organization but their heroes are not peaceful and neither is the looting, rioting and killing of cops and children.
They are a new group and the F.B.I. will need time to dissect their finances and consult with Department of Justice before declaring them for what they are: A domestic terrorist organization.



I remember looking at the BLM website a few years ago, and there was a lot socialist stuff all over it.
 

blackbery

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Re: Aunt on Facebook

I thought this was a discussion on BLM and not a history of the world.
Germans were very very bad people 75 years ago. Today they are probably the most tolerant, peaceful Nation on earth.

I worry about BLM because they have hoodwinked a lot of innocent people, both black and white, into believing they are supporting a good cause.
NAACP is a worthy cause to promote racial issues for they are not a bunch of terrorists who want to overthrow the U.S. NAACP works hard for African-American community.
Instead of donating to worthy groups like this, millions is being funneled to BLM to support their terrorism. :sick:


Excellent response as far as that definition goes.

Now, going by the definition you shared, as a next step, research what the whites, not just in America, but also most of Europe have been up to in the last 100 years or so. Be especially aware of what aims they were, still are pursuing. And, then you can start counting how many "terrorists" there are in just alone those two areas of the world. Of course there are other areas that are terrorism ridden as well.
 

david starling

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Re: Aunt on Facebook

I thought this was a discussion on BLM and not a history of the world.
Germans were very very bad people 75 years ago. Today they are probably the most tolerant, peaceful Nation on earth.

I worry about BLM because they have hoodwinked a lot of innocent people, both black and white, into believing they are supporting a good cause.
NAACP is a worthy cause to promote racial issues for they are not a bunch of terrorists who want to overthrow the U.S. NAACP works hard for African-American community.
Instead of donating to worthy groups like this, millions is being funneled to BLM to support their terrorism. :sick:

Why is all this civil unrest happening during the Trump administration?
 

aquarius7000

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Re: Aunt on Facebook

I thought BLM wasn't just born yesterday, but actually had a History, just like racism against coloured people in general.

Speaking of Germany, have you lived there? I have - over a dozen years. Don't let yourself be fooled by what you might read in the media. I was a team manager and have actually worked with complaints of racism against colleagues. I was socially active in that direction also doing interpretational work - directly with the German police, since I speak 5 languages. Europe has a very dark and bloody History, and no, I don't just mean due to the holocaust, but much much more. And, whilst there might be some that do realise what their people did to other countries- a slightly different kind of holocaust, especially their coloured colonies, there are more that actually still actively participate in racism. Sometimes, perhaps also due to lack of education and not active spite, hatred and/ or "political pursuits".

Also, I always find it highly interesting how some try to downplay such racism by simply calling it xenophobia, completely forgetting that when Europe was out to conquer the world, how easily they forget about feeling xenophobic all of a sudden. Strange, isn't it!!

I thought this was a discussion on BLM and not a history of the world.
Germans were very very bad people 75 years ago. Today they are probably the most tolerant, peaceful Nation on earth.

I worry about BLM because they have hoodwinked a lot of innocent people, both black and white, into believing they are supporting a good cause.
NAACP is a worthy cause to promote racial issues for they are not a bunch of terrorists who want to overthrow the U.S. NAACP works hard for African-American community.
Instead of donating to worthy groups like this, millions is being funneled to BLM to support their terrorism. :sick:
 
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Dirius

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Re: Aunt on Facebook

I thought BLM wasn't just born yesterday, but actually had a History, just like racism against coloured people in general.

Speaking of Germany, have you lived there? I have - over a dozen years. Don't let yourself be fooled by when you might read in the media. I was a team manager and have actually with complaints of racism against colleagues. I was socially active in that direction also doing interpretational work - directly with the German police, since I speak 5 languages. Europe has a very dark and bloody History, and no, I don't just mean due to the holocaust, but much much more. And, whilst there might be some that do realise what their people did to other countries- a slightly different kind of holocaust, especially their coloured colonies, there are more that actually still actively participate in racism. Sometimes, perhaps also due to lack of education and not active spite, hatred and/ or "political pursuits".

Also, I always find it highly interesting how some try to downplay such racism by simply calling it xenophobia, completely forgetting that when Europe was out to conquer the world, how easily they forget about feeling xenophobic all of a sudden. Strange, isn't it!!


For most of its existance Europe has only waged wars in self-defense against African or Asian nations.

The Roman Empire's both Asian and African provinces were actually gained in self-defense wars against the Carthigian Empire and Seleucid Empire, in the aftermath of the 2nd punic war, which triggered the first pan-european empire.

Alexander the Great's conquest were a response to the previous Persian invasions. And so on, and so on...

So you are only talking about a segment of history, the one which suit your point, from 1500 onwards, on the exploration era.

If you wanna go all historical, lets talk about all of written history.

For the majority of history of humanity, Europe was rarely been the aggresor in most conflicts.

Should Italians seek reparations from African nations? Or Eastern Europeans from Asian nations?
 
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david starling

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Re: Aunt on Facebook

I thought BLM wasn't just born yesterday, but actually had a History, just like racism against coloured people in general.

Speaking of Germany, have you lived there? I have - over a dozen years. Don't let yourself be fooled by when you might read in the media. I was a team manager and have actually with complaints of racism against colleagues. I was socially active in that direction also doing interpretational work - directly with the German police, since I speak 5 languages. Europe has a very dark and bloody History, and no, I don't just mean due to the holocaust, but much much more. And, whilst there might be some that do realise what their people did to other countries- a slightly different kind of holocaust, especially their coloured colonies, there are more that actually still actively participate in racism. Sometimes, perhaps also due to lack of education and not active spite, hatred and/ or "political pursuits".

Also, I always find it highly interesting how some try to downplay such racism by simply calling it xenophobia, completely forgetting that when Europe was out to conquer the world, how easily they forget about feeling xenophobic all of a sudden. Strange, isn't it!!

"Black Lives Matter" began as a loosely affiliated organization in 2014 following the Ferguson, Missouri shooting of Michael Brown. It's stated intention as an umbrella organization is non-violent civil disobedience.
If blackbery is correct, it appears to have been either hijacked by violent anarchists, or was disingenuous about its real motives from the beginning.

There is cause for the claim of excessive police brutality against black citizens of the U.S., however. Unbiased statistics show that regarding fatal police shootings alone (which doesn't include deaths by other means), about 33% of them were directed at black citizens, even though the demographics show that less than 14% of the U.S. population is considered black.

Meanwhile, known, self-avowed White Supremacist organizations have reportedly increased their membership rolls by about 50%.

All of this violence is happening on Trump's watch.
 

blackbery

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Re: Aunt on Facebook

Germany has taken in 1.5 M refugees in recent years, mainly from African countries and over one million Syrians. What a bunch of racists they are!:sideways: I have a friend who teaches English to the refugees. The government pays for everything, their education, home, food. Maybe the most generous, tolerant places on earth.

You can defend BLM who are proud to kill police officers, both black and white and who want to dismantle the entire U.S. government which they accuse of being a police state. Yet they never talk about the black on black crime which is killing black people by the thousands every year. If you lived in one of those neighbourhoods in NY like someone I know, you would welcome more police & not have the gang-bangers take over the entire city. People want to run away from the violence.

Andrew Holmes with Chicago Survivors says people should be protesting Black-on-Black crime.

“They still discharging these weapons on their own people and for what? Taking lives. These people can’t breathe. We’ve marched, protested, ‘I can’t breathe.’ Guess what? These people ain’t breathing neither so what’s the difference?” Holmes said.


https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2019/12/22/the-need-to-discuss-black-on-black-crime/




I thought BLM wasn't just born yesterday, but actually had a History, just like racism against coloured people in general.

Speaking of Germany, have you lived there? I have - over a dozen years. Don't let yourself be fooled by when you might read in the media. I was a team manager and have actually with complaints of racism against colleagues. I was socially active in that direction also doing interpretational work - directly with the German police, since I speak 5 languages. Europe has a very dark and bloody History, and no, I don't just mean due to the holocaust, but much much more. And, whilst there might be some that do realise what their people did to other countries- a slightly different kind of holocaust, especially their coloured colonies, there are more that actually still actively participate in racism. Sometimes, perhaps also due to lack of education and not active spite, hatred and/ or "political pursuits".

Also, I always find it highly interesting how some try to downplay such racism by simply calling it xenophobia, completely forgetting that when Europe was out to conquer the world, how easily they forget about feeling xenophobic all of a sudden. Strange, isn't it!!
 
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